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Agreed, let's hope people actually think before they act and are freaking grateful that someone's actually willing to translate the chapters and post them here, after the drama of the previous translator

I really do respect this new translator

That also has been considered. There are several groups that have gone private and just share between themselves because they get sick of all the entitled demands. Everyone working in scan is doing as a hobby for the enjoyment of reading the work, sharing to an audience that would normally not get a chance to read the books, and to learn knew skills. When people start whining and insulting them for sharing their hobby, quit frankly it makes the people want to stop sharing.

TRUE it is wrong to read manga illegally, so we have none to blame

But it is wrong to tell Takase that he doesn't count as gay because he was with girls and that he should just marry a girl and have a family because that is what is expected of him.

Have people forgotten the setting takes place in Japan despite it being fictional. Japan for the most part is still homophobic and relies on traditional values. For Takase to be told to stay in the closet as hurtful as it might seem from a Western viewpoint or even simply empathetic view, it’s actually the honorable thing to do based off Japan’s societal expectations. This of course doesn’t descredit Takase and his sexuality but at the same time he’s lived fine without “issue” why change the status quo now. Yuuichi isn’t trying to internally hurt Takase by rejecting him, but rather preventing Takase from experience the realities of living as an openly gay man in Japan. Something Takase has never experienced and is conflating his feelings for Yuuichi and Yuuichi’s positive reception to their initial interactions as enough reason to upturn this entire life. Yuuichi knows nothing about the internal struggle Takase has endured but if you think about it from Yuuichi’s perspective, he’s already been thrown away and cheated on by a man who also just as capable of being with woman. The difference of course is that Yuuichi’s ex is Bisexual and Takase is gay, but even with Takase’s confession what difference does it make when you some guy tells you let’s go on some pretend dates to help me warm to dating a woman again. Then he turns around and says he loves you? Yuuichi is of course insulted by the idea because he lulled into a false sense of safety being open to Takase and telling him is struggles as a gay man. Yuuichi at best thinks Takase has confused affection for love, or at worse Takase is purposely making fun of Yuuichi’s deepest insecurity. Yuuichi is making these assumptions of Takase because this is what Takase presented to Yuuichi as the basis of the friendship, a straight man befriending a gay man that’s it . The fact that people are upset about that is ridiculous. Takase is of course should have his sexuality devalued and Yuuichi is wrong for doing so, but he’s likely thinking the worst of Takase due to his traumatic experience with closeted men in general. ps. Yuuichi’ ex is not trash because he’s bisexual but because he’s simply trash.

*Excuse my phone’s typos. And I means to say Takase should of course NOT have his sexuality be devalued*

That's how gays were treated in the 70s-90s in the West too. Forced many back into the closet but it was killing them which is why in the 80s, 90s and even up to now we have middle age & elderly LGBTQ divorcing and coming out of the closet.

Things change by challenging the status quo and Japan's gays are suing for gay marriage rights.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tokyo-japan-same-sex-marriage_n_563b20e9e4b0b24aee48f8a5

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/world/asia/japan-gay-marriage.html


Yes, his ex is trash because he is trash but now he blames all bisexuals for the way that trash treated him.

Takase isn't even bisexual, he is a gay man who can force himself to get it up for a woman but he is miserable doing it.

Everything you said is right and I’m glad that there are changes happening in Japan. In fact just this week was a gay pride parade was held in Tokyo. But I want to reiterate my point that Yuuichi is rejecting Takase because he’s a closet man not that Takase is gay. It’s completely understandable why is acting the way he is when you look at that point only. Yes Takase is not bisexual but in fact gay and should not be unfairly compared to Yuuichi’s ex, but what I’m trying to say is Yuuichi is doing this regardless because at that moment Takase confessed, Yuuichi didn’t see the distinction that we as readers are allowed as 3rd party observers. He just saw a man who lied to him and could lie to him in the future like his ex had done. Sorry if it seems I’m rambling. I just feel Yuuichi’s reaction just makes sense. Of course I wanted Takase to have his feelings validated and not be rejected for finally being open to another person, but it wouldn’t make sense for someone like Yuuichi who is so completely honest to be happy that he’s been lied to given his trauma.

How did Takase lie?

Takase never told him he was straight, that was an assumption. And they were flirting so it's not like it came out of nowhere.

He just knee-jerk reacted based on his own trauma and didn't care to talk it out with Takase. He just wanted to force him back into the closet because that was acceptable to him. He needed Takase to remain in the closet so he wanted to force him back into it.

That is where I have the issue, not the rejection. He could have said he wasn't ready to date. He could have said it was hard for him to trust others, especially guys who have been with girls. He could have said he needed time to think about it.

Instead, he flatly rejects Takase solely based upon dating girls in the past and telling Takase he is better off remaining in the closet because he will HAVE to marry a girl eventually and have kids because Takase is not gay unlike him and can't pass for straight and so he should just try to be normal or pretend to be.

And that is cruel and homophobic.

*sips tea*