Jajamadam's Topics (537)

Calm down

Bish if your not paying for it then you have no right to get mad.

Where can I buy it? I don't know where to look........i wanna happy ending

is that really so bad? ╮(￣▽￣)╭

...and u are with us, comment and reading this thrash manga. Welcome on dark side the moon ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

I like trash to die. So, I'm rooting for a lot of blood and justice and Sangwoo to die the most painful death possible. Bum I want to have a peaceful death, cause he's been through enough shit. The cop needs an intervention, but I hope he gets help, cause this case would make anyone nuts.

And you're right, the plot is being dragged out. No real progression. I guess it's so popular, it's gonna get milked for every $$ they can get I check in every few episodes ot see if anyone is exposing Sangwoo or if he's getting thrown into a wood cihpper like he deserves....cause I won't be happy until the shitty asshole dies.

Protect Swango.

By giving him the most painful death? Yes.

Nah nah, my boi Bum has to get therapy.

I'm just glad someone is seeing what I see. It was moving in the beginning before going all the way back to stage one again. Nothing is happening.....

He is never gonna recover from this. He'll just be in an institution having delusions and moaning over Sangwoo. Better he just die cleanly.

Bum had a panic attack because Sangwoo left him alone there.
He also hallucinated his uncle in Chap 33 when Sangwoo was in the police station.
His sanity depends on whether Sangwoo is w/ him, or not.
Here's the thing. Bum also gets more and more done with Sangwoo's shit in the same time. He'll stop loving him in the end, as Killing Stalking means "Killing the Stalking" to me.
So once that's done, they COULD put him in a mental hospital.
Recovery would last for some time, but I think it's possible. He has still some sanity&morals left in him after everything that happend, not wanting his uncle to die, etc.

What would a peaceful death even be like in such a comic?

If it could be clearly shown that Bum could recover, I'd be fine with making him by courts have to be in a mental facility for treatment. But let's face it: he's been cooperating with Sangwoo to a degree that's beyond Stockholm Syndrome. He could have spoken the truth to the police about the abuse, murders, etc. At that moment, he chose Sangwoo over help, Sangwoo over justice, Sangwoo over an end to murder. I think, part of me, that he deserves to pay the price of that. But if he can come to realize how evil Sangwoo is (Bum I see as damaged more than evil, Sangwoo is damaged AND evil.)

A peaceful death would be a quick one or overdose of pills and go to sleep kind or just a quick bullet. NOt more torture.

He's not really been cooperating w/ Sangwoo.
It's because of the Stockholm Syndrome, his BPD and crush on the fake Sangwoo.
Bum is NOT fine w/ murder, he didn't want the older man from the bar to die, but had to play the game while he showed to not wanting his uncle to die TWICE(Chap 33 and 46).

But like?? He exactly did that BECAUSE of everything I listed above(and low self esteem).
Since Jieun's death, he's afraid of the police and doesn't try to escape anymore.
Before? He tried to escape like, 4 times. It was Sangwoo's plan to make Bum kill someone so he wouldn' try to escape again.
Pay what price? His time with is worse than jail. Even after he didn't tell Seungbae about ity he got abused and raped twice.

I don't think Bum's evil at all, just damaged. Makes sense, being abused by literally everyone. Yet he didn't know want to harm anyone, has empathy and hid Seungbae from Sangwoo(until his bitchass found him).

Sangwoo? Is yes, both. More evil to me though. It's hard to read his character.
We don't know yet what full happend to make his parents death happening, but the most popular fan theory is still that Sangwoo killed the father, the mom says that she didn't want that and he kills her. If that's true, then he basically became a sociopathic Serial Killer/Rapist who beats, tortures women(and Bum) and then kills them, because his father abused his mom and he killed the father, but she wasn't grateful towards him, so he killed her.
And like?? Look how Bum turned out and look how Woo turned out, I know that trauma affects ppl differently, but how come that Bum has still empathy and morals about murder left while Sangwoo doesn't? Even outside the whole "killing women because they remind him of his mom" thing, he's totally fine w/ killing the older man, Bae(trying to kill.) and Bum's uncle. The Police Chief is all up his ass and Woo was also always popular.
As far as we know till now, his life has been much better compared to Bum's, so I've no idea how Koogi will try to explain it and excuse him tbh. Unless she doesn't try to excuse him.

I just hope he gets a chance of help.
Koogi making him suffer for the whole story to only make him die at the end would be unsettling and too much edge.
A happy ending for him, which doesn't have to be too happy, would be fine as well. It'd be kinda surprising cuz everyone expects a bad ending.

*his time w/ Sangwoo.

I agree that Bum is not hopeless and he's not evil like Sangwoo. But he still has been making more death possible by not exposing him. He wants to be with Sangwoo, so he does his own small part to enable him. He knows Sangwoo is dangerous ( he fears him). He knows he's murderous, even if Bum doesn't want more murder. But he continues to be an ally. If someone was about to kill Sangwoo, don't you think Bum would do something to stop them? That's an accomplice. I do think mental illness is at play, so it's not like he'd get the death penalty. He'd be in a mental institution (where, clearly, he needs to be.) But I don't see him being happy unless we can get him some amnesia along with therapy. As long as he can remember Sangwoo (and even the creep uncle), he's never gonna be normal and happy.

Sangwoo is a demon. People wanting Bum with Sangwoo is basically saying, "We want a crazy guy to end up sexually with an evil guy." Which is about as nuts as Bum is.

I mean, not exposing him was basically because of all of his mental illneses and Sangwoo tricking him at the police station.
Bum simply hoped that he changed, he wants a normal relationship without murder, yes, but he also thought that Sangwoo wouldn't kill anyone anymore, we saw how angry he got when Woo came back to killer routes.
And before Jieun?
Even though Woo began to act more "nicely" in Chap 5&6, Bum realized how nuts Sangwoo is and tried to escape. He began to stay w/ him after Jieun's death in the first place only because he was now scared.
He also tried to escape before Sangwoo sang w/ Jieun.
Was Bum at any danger there? Not really, he still knows how f'ed up Sangwoo is.

If he'd try to stop someone from killing Sangwoo? Idk. Bum's actions would only be acted out because of his illnesses, not because he genuinely cares for Sangwoo.
And like, he doesn't want Sangwoo to die, but he also doesn't want anything to do with murder, but there's nothing Bum could do because nobody would believe him over Sangwoo except Seungbae.
I think he needs to see both Sangwoo and his uncle's corpes and have someone telling that they died, to move on.

*telling him.

When there is volition--ie, attempts to escape, enough sanity to know Sangwoo's murder is bad--there can't be a full excuse of "it's just mental illness." There is a point where we are responsible for choosing an evil person's side, for whatever reason. We expect, as a society, for people not to cover for serial killers or child molesters, no matter how unstable we may be--if we still have the ability to SEE that it is wrong, and Bum does see that it is wrong. But he's so "in love" with Woo that he still wants to be with him, misses him, waits for him, worries about him. As a member of society, I may say, "You need intense therapy," but I also say, "You are as much as your ability to see right and wrong responsible for allowing a menace to continue to do evil things."

If he had started screaming in the police station: "He's a killer, he killed X and Y, and he broke my legs, and he will probably eventually kill me, help me," you think they'd have done nothing??? Even if they had sent him off to a mental institution, he'd have been rescued to some extent. Bum still chose to be with Woo. Still wants to touch Woo, whom he knows is a sadistic, ruthless, bloody murderer. When you choose a bloodthirsty menace over everyone else, knowing he's a lawbreaker and people-damager, you have to take that much responsibility. Some.

I can see where you're coming from but that IS Stockholm Syndrome.
Are the victims of Stockholm Syndrome responsible as well? I don't think so, it's the fault of the condition and the one who hurt the victim.
The ONLY reasons why Bum still "chooses" him, is because Sangwoo never let him escape and Jieun's death. He's afraid that Sangwoo would throw him out to the police and give him the fault.
I'm not trying to excuse all of hiw choices w/ his mental illnesses, but someone w/ BPD, PTSD, Stockholm Syndrome, Anxiety&Low Self Esteem is in no right state of mind to know what's exactly right and wrong. He "choose" him out of fear.
And yes, while he still wants to do things w/ Sangwoo, it's also more than likely to distract him from killing or hoping to change Sangwoo. But he can't.
He doesn't exactly wants to be with Sangoo. He only wants to be with him, misses him, waits for him and worries about him, because Bum doesn't want to be alone( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/m_chapter-49/pg-44/).
He doesn't care who it is, but he hates the feeling of being alone, as that also resulted to him self harming before being with Sangwoo.

Are you sure they would believe him? The police chief is very biased over Sangwoo and sees him as a son and Woo would try to lie and most likely succeed.
Bum doesn't have the Self Esteem for that. He never had. He's also afraid that Sangwoo might shove the fault on him.

*chose.

He wants to be with Sangwoo. He's there, missing him, masturbating to thoughts of him, speaking his name. Please. He wants nice Sangwoo...but nice Sangwoo doesn't last. It's a false construct.

And anyone who'd rather be with a serial killer and cover for him in order to not be alone...well, again, he's better off dead. This is not someone who can cope in this world.

You don't need self-esteem to know right from wrong. That is an error. People with low self-esteem can know that rape is wrong, murder is wrong, beating up kids is wrong, setting fire to houses is wrong, robbing a bank is wrong. Esteem is not a factor in that. Self-esteem may be a factor in seeking better things for yourself--and I say that as someone who most of my life pretty much thought I was shit and hated myself and even tried to kill myself. But even then, I knew lying, cheating, raping, killing was wrong...

And yet he tried to escape several times before Jieun's death, claiming that going back is a 1000 times better than being w/ Sangwoo( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/53/).
He only "loved" Sangwoo because he saved him in the military once and was so the first one who showed him kindness. That made Bum love him. He seeks affection and is being mindfucked by the real, evil Sangwoo sometimes showing him kindness. It confuses him. Bum has BPD, so he has mood swings as well.

Bum had nowhere but his to uncle to go( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c007/26/).
He never consensually covered for him.
It was Sangwoo who forced him( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c032/42/), lied to him( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c032/54/) and made him lie( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c032/87/).
Bum HIMSELF hid Seungbae and lied to Sangwoo( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c030.1/10/). He's obviously not fine with Sangwoo being a evil piece of shit. Bum is just afraid since Jieun's death that Sangwoo may shove everything at him and lost all hope of escape( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/killing_stalking/mf/c029/55/).
So no, I disagree w/ him being better off dead. Sangwoo is, not Bum.
He's a perfect example of Stockholm Syndrome and other mental illnesses together in one.

I meant is as together w/ his other mental illnesses. Not just his low self esteem
Him not knowing right from wrong can also be easily explained that he had no parent figure to teach him stuff. Looking at him holding a spoon for example. Nobody teached him how to hold one.

I'm sorry, I can relate.

Hahahaha yeah (╬￣皿￣)凸

Agree!!! But it's not the smart move, I hope he gets revenge and that little bitch gets what she deserves

WELL I APOLOGIZE ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

For shipping them.

Fujoshis ship everything gay related, whether abuse, rape or not simply romance.

*or simply romance(⌒▽⌒).