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a yaoi with no blackmail, rape, or abuse, HOW REFRESHING! (〜￣△￣)〜

yes you are

Maybe it is because you don't understand it? People tend to get bored with things that just fly right over their head

it might feel like that because for months now, nothing in these updates is new info to me.

It's a word that gets thrown around a lot here, but Lucaon did rape Kyon. He raped him multiple times and even endangered his life by raping him whilst Kyon was forced to hang onto the balcony without falling down to the garden. Lucaon was pretty awful. Whereas Ryan was an angel in comparison, but apparently Ryan telling Kyon to leave his job makes him worse? Erm no.

Honestly the way yaoi logic works rape is insignificant and usually is handled so. Personally I truly hate this trope. Yet in the case of Kyon and Lucaon admittedly their initial relationship could be labeled through an act of rape or dubious consent dependently, because Kyon already harbored feelings for Lucaon. Most would consider it consensual for this reason (I don't but as I said in the grand scheme of things it's w/e in yaoi). In my opinion it's not worth arguing because as I've pointed out many readers hardly care as long as they get to witness sex. Lucaon isn't a saint by any means and I truly tire of the falling in love with the person who sexually abuses you or manipulates you in any way, however it's implied as we later find out that Kyon has from a young age has always revered Lucaon. Now as an adult it's developed into love of sorts. In my opinion is likely hero worship, but I'm not going to go into the psychology of that. At the end of the day Lucaon is "redeemed" by returning Kyon's love and demonstrating acts of love towards Kyon including literally drinking poison for Kyon even unknowingly. Still it can't be arguably compared to Ryan's role throughout the story. As the oldest royal blood who had deep connections to Lucaon and his family he has a responsibility to his deceased friends and their legacy. Having been an enemy of Intron from the start, Ryan should be wary and mistrustful of anyone associated with its membership. Allowing Christoph a servant whom he barely had more than a master/ servant relationship at the time of Lucaon's parents' death to supersede a relationship worth hundreds of years, and then later undermine this but his suspicion of Kyon as also once being a part of said organization, all while rather knowing the possibility that his "trusted" Christoph/secret organization was the cause of death of Lucaon's parents, Kyon's parents, and multiple murder attempts on Lucaon truly speaks of Ryan's character as a hypocrite. I think this highlights this by Ryan being even distrustful of Celia a fellow purebred Royal blood, but Christoph is exempt from mistrust. Why wasn't Christoph subjected to Ryan's intense scrutiny? Better yet why wasn't Christoph told to leave or better yet "get out of the picture permanently" for other's sake like Kyon was asked of? It should be remembered that Kyon has been orphaned since very young and literally only knows a life of servitude since then, his decision to kill himself while over the top, falls in line with his mentality of feeling as if he's a burden with no self worth. The main issue is what makes Christoph special and Kyon not when in reality Kyon has suffered significantly more in terms of his relationship to Intron. His parents were killed by Intron, he was "brainwashed" too with his memories apparently altered at some point, and had an assassin try to kill him during his service as a butler. Christoph had an "assassination" attempt too but as we know now it was likely to throw off suspicion of him and prolong his stay among the royals. Christoph is the "brainwashed" brother of the Intron head organizer but was as Celia noted, has not once regretted his actions he was "made" to do towards otherwise innocent people and people apparently so important to Ryan. I think in reality he likely killed the person who actually poisoned Lucaon's family as others have excused to ensure that lose ends were tied in any involvement Christoph had and those directly to Intron. Don't forget he told the culprit you've likely failed detection and will never be forgiven. Does he mean Lucaon's parents or Edwin? That's of course if he didn't kill Lucaon's parent outright, then he helped mastermind it. If Ryan is aware of literally all of this, his loyalty and rational are questionable at best and nonexistent otherwise to how he's continued to ignore Christoph's wrongdoings. Ryan overall isn't a friend to rely on, he's self-serving and woefully clouded by his personal desires/beliefs. He's untrustworthy and secretive. With the knowledge we have of him now, his motives and actions fall into question. Would Ryan have cared if Lucaon and him entire family were truly eradicated by Christoph's actions, as much he went on to say otherwise in providing Lucaon a cure to poisoning? If Christoph has succeeded, then what, Ryan would have looked the other way? Why no one is addressing that is also on mind. To get back to the point of Lucaon while he's an ass, he's an ass through a through he doesn't pretend to be anything else. Kyon being the exception in thawing his cold exterior. What you are asking to compare is the question of their "character", and for many Ryan's character doesn't amount to much at this point when he could have done so much more with his knowledge to prevent the events that have taken place in this manga.

Indeed, in the real world, what Lucaon did would be classed as a crime, but unfortunately in the context of the plot , rape was used to develop the two characters feelings rather than it being a full stop end to any relationship they had. Rape can exist within a marriage, it can exist between partners, so one person idolising or loving the other doesn't detract from the severity of the crime. It is what it is though, and we do sort of have to look at such events through the warped context of yaoilogic, but what I do find issue with is why Ryan is being demonised due to his actions towards Kyon, when at the time, requesting Kyon leave the household and no longer have direct access to them seemed, with the information they had, the most sensible solution. That was then, now everyone has moved on and Ryan & Cecilia accept him. In regards to Christoph, it's tricky, Ryan had greater emotional ties and familiar to him, they had known each other for maybe a decade, Ryan wasn't sure until the very end that Christoph was the one who was being manipulated by Intron. When it comes to justice, attacking Christoph at this point seems bit pointless, and would be purely emotive and anger rather than anything logical. Cecilia put the safeguards in place by preventing Christoph from being able to be manipulated by Edwin/Intron, Christoph apologised to Lucaon so his core will stop corrupting etc At the end of the day Ryan regarded Christoph like a son, and Christoph was similar devoted to him, this maybe surpasses the impact that Kyon had on any of their lives. Now it seems that Ryan wants Christoph's memories of him to be wiped, Ryan appears to put others wellbeing before himself, yes he is a more teasing person, but ultimately his devotion to his family particularly Lucaon, Sihan and Christoph os clear.

I understand but this what I mean to address is that Ryan's motives are selfish. He's the sort that believes his actions are done so with everyone's best interests under a pretense of knowledge and well wishes. It's in the end a way of preventing the most damage happening to himself, emotional damage that is.Also Christoph did not apologize that's the other whole issue, he merely corrected his actions out of a sense of loyalty to Ryan and even then, that only holds merit as a lost resort of forgiveness. IF Christoph had enough power to resist Edwin why then try and kill Lucaon a second time who has a significant place in Ryan's life? How can Christoph be able to resist and be powerless all at once?The brainwashing can't be applied if Christoph killed the assassin when in reality he should have let the assassin kill Karis and eventually Sihan as I'm sure those were orders made by Edwin. What if the assassin had completed it's mission what would Ryan say then if two more people he treasured died due to Christoph. Christoph has done many things in order to stay with Ryan it seems, but still "hurts" Ryan so to speak, the conflict lies there in how this is rationalized. For this reason more than anything how a decade long relationship as you've estimated jeopardizes the safety of a hundred or more relationship with Lucaon himself and family as well that of his own adoptive son Sihan (his actual family), is what is wrong with Ryan as he prioritizes Christoph above all else. The explanation for this especially made weak by the author and muddies Christoph's innocence. Christoph had no intention of revealing his role, but none the less was found out ironically by Kyon whom was framed from the start. I'm not saying killing Christoph at this point would do anything, but I repeat he has never been innocent and Ryan has either a terrible judgement call or was blinded by Christoph's risk to everyone due to "familial bonds".

Also if what you said is true and Ryan possibly wipes Christoph's memories of him. That's again only rewarding Christoph and absolving him of his crimes as I'm sure all the memories surrounding Ryan in Christoph's mind would be erased as well. Ryan will hold the burden of what Christoph did and Christoph would be now known the wiser, is such a poor attempt of justice I would be beyond angry had I been Lucaon. Again this would be Ryan what's best as he sees fit with only himself truly in mind to keep intact the innocent image he has of Christoph. As the last chapter has yet to be translated we'll have to see but based on the image Lucaon looks content with Kyon so it's likely the author has decided to ignore an obvious sense of retribution in favor of him finding love. In reality using Christoph to hunt and kill Edwin should be his way of showing atonement, but that probably won't happen.

Even leaving out the rape/yaoi logic, he used their bond to blind him and kick him out of the room, to chain him, to bind him, to almost have him fall from in the garden, he bit him repeatedly till he bled, and took his energy and left him paralyzed after tossing him to the ground by the front door. Not a kind word was uttered. Even offering him up to Ryan to have sex with. And he tried to abuse Karis (I spell that right?) when he met him.


On the Christoph thing, if you read, the person who gave them the VS solution has to regret their actions to undo the infection to the core. He cured him, so clearly actually felt bad about that. Christoph doesn't just care for Ryan, it's also for Karis and Sihon, are family to him, and kind to him. He doesn't want to leave or hurt any of them, but yes, Ryan is who he is the closet with.
The "assassian" who went after Christoph was trying to take him back to intron. I think what let him break the brainwashing, was seeing Karis injured, so he killed him. but I could be wrong, that's how it seemed to me.
Ryan wasn't wrong to ask Kyon to leave at the time. at the time, it seemed a logical solution. Even Kyon knew that. Ryan didn't ever hold contempt for him, but he didn't want to see Lucon hurt. He's the one who helped their relationship progress to healthy in the first place.
Christoph was being watched by the new guy, Lukas (that his name?), under order from Ryan. so he did suspect something. He also was the one who had put Christoph to sleep before he left, wasn't he?
Ryan's top priority is always to make sure these kids are safe, even at his own personal risk. I don't get how you see him as selfish??
lastly, I don't like victim blaming. both Kyon and Christoph were fucked by intron, by that fucker Edwin. Both brainwashed, and did stupid things.

Agree, agree, agree! Goodness I forgot what a prick he was to Karis also, we understand why he was so rude to "servants" but that still didn't justify it.

I'll agree that Lucaon is not a saint once more. Tbh he really was horrid I'll completely agree to that I'm not ignoring that. The point that Christoph cares for Karis and Sihan is not an issue, yes he clearly cares for them, my point is Ryan also cares for Lucaon. If Christoph is that much closer to Ryan you don't kill people who is important to those you love. If he could overpower killing Karis and Sihan want then say Lucaon? You're ignoring that point completely. I also highly doubt Christoph broke this "brainwashing" due to the assassination attempt like how it occurred for Kyon but we can disagree on this. If at any point Christoph had decided to notified anyone I mean anyone of his situation I would feel sympathetic. Kyon was literally in the same boat previously and despite his misgivings told at the very least Ryan, for Ryan to then promptly treat Kyon as a suspect there after. Christoph has enough power to even over power Lucaon during Lucaon's attempt to suffocate Karis with his powers, by simply grabbing onto Karis's arm.The issue of him overpower his brainwashing seems to be so weak likely on the author's fault alone, when there's evidence clearly how powerful Christoph is despite being a halfbreed. Ryan's reasoning behind Kyon's treatment is all dandy but Ryan repeatedly put Lucaon and other's in harms way when even knowing the possibility that Christoph could turn on them. His last resort of putting Christoph to sleep before leaving to Intron was most likely exactly why he did this. Ryan's top priority was Christoph's safety, more so because Christoph was a danger to himself and to others. That's seriously the issue at hand, it's that Ryan's judgement in everything should be questioned. As for victim blaming, I won't argue because the manhwa clearly shows how the characters were affected by these actions. Christoph's regret towards Lucaon can stem for any number of reasons, but it's definitely not a sense of loyalty or kinship that's for sure. Where or not you feel more sympathetic towards Christoph then fine, I however don't because regardless of Lucaon's core being cured is directly related to Kyon finding Christoph's file not Christoph seeking help or justifying his actions. That's indisputable. On another note Lucaon's behavior towards the staff is horrible, but come on the man's entire family died at the hand of one angered staff member, and the second Lucaon has change of heart the nearly dies once more the same poisoning. While it was infiltrated staff member and not the original staff, he'll never know the truth and Christoph certainly won't be the one to tell him either. How someone could be jaded and have you questioning that is amazing.

Also it should be noted that Christoph and Kyon essentially mirror each other in terms of their origin, so the actions they take towards revealing the truth is impactful

I wish I could send you a like for this. You hit all the points that Ryan supporters need to acknowledge. (⌒▽⌒)

I got confused by the first part. I assume, that you mean no more heartbreaks :)

whoops. yes, I did

I also like the ex, but I also like the current one....urgh, it so difficult to choose

right?! Why give me two decent guys here! I can't pick!

Threesome?? hahah. I'm kidding, that doesn't fit these guys

But the ex is half dead. And Pyo is in need of love!!

that's uncalled for, don't you think?

Dear lord, it's a fictional character.

it's insulting to the alive ""Half dead", as you referred to him.
He has an illness, so he shouldn't be picked??

It's a FICTIONAL CHARACTER He's about to diiiiiiie. And I'm rooting for Pyo to win Jisoo's heart. I'm not as invested in Hyunwoo as I am in Pyo. I've been reading this for a while and the updates are so slow and I've been rooting for Jisoo to connect on a more emotional level with Pyo since Pyo realized he wanted more out of their relationship. That guy has been chasing after him for a while now. All I know about Hyunwoo is that he has a terminal illness. And I feel more sorry for Jisoo since I know his character a lot more. Hyunwoo is a side character. Yeah. His story is sad. But like I said, I'm so much more invested in the main story.

I didn't care who you are rooting for.
I cared that you said something insulting.
The "half dead" comment wasn't necessary. you could of just said you didn't like him.

As someone who has lost a lot of people to terminal illnesses in real life, that's insulting to those people. to anyone who has died that way.
the way you said it, is like, if you have an illness, you don't deserve love?

Dude...tell me you're trolling because you cannot be serious right now I would never say that to an actual real person. We are talking about a fictional character. There's a huge difference between fiction and reality. If you're having a hard time with that, the problem here lies with you. So get off my ass for saying Hyunwoo (a fictional character) is half dead because as far as I know, he is! I'm rooting for Pyo (also a fictional character, btw) Seriously, it's so easy to piss anyone off on this site. I'm convinced that half the time, I'm responding to 12 year olds.

#Fictional Lives Matter

omg girl ur so sensitive. get over it it was a joke, no need to play victim n make someone feel guilty for nothing lol. anyways the ex dies sooo have fun with that