Since he's suicidal and doesn't have any self confidence I hope she treats him good other than the sexual stuff that boy needs it
Honestly I really like the fact the emperor switched the saintess' attention from Vivianne to fl cz in other ppls eyes the fl is male so u can generally shake a men or women's close attachment from the opposite gender but it's difficult if they are the same gender
What i mean is if you don't want to think the emperor's attachment towards fl(who is pretending to be a men) as in the emperor is gay you can still see in other ppls eyes they are childhood best friends
You can break a bond if a men and women is attracted to each other but it's tough to break a two female or male close friendship especially if you are the opposite gender
Oh wait I forgot crown prince exists in this manhwa so how come grace(og fl) didn't add him to her harem?
I mean his position is literally the highest and not to mention she can become the crown princess later the queen coz she also comes from a influential family
was thinking exactiy the same thingლ(´ڡ`ლ)
I think he can see her for her true nature can see through her intentions. But do you mean why wasn’t he a part of it from the start or now as Grace?
In his own flashback he shows us og fl (Grace) before she went into the fight or whatever and saw her trembling and seemed to find it odd and cowardly. Idk tho I’m just spitballing
I mean both why the crown prince wasn't a part of her harem from the start and even now as og fl is grace she doesn't have any interest in him although I doubt it she might want him when fl and crown prince will meet in future to steal him away from fl
But I guess since they're royalty they have some kind of protection against the magic grace is using to controll other people
Maybe becoz author want to keep the crown prince as a good and resolute character? He will lead the country one day so having him join the harem and act like a fool and later on coming out of it will not look good? Like for example the three monkeys grace has occupied in her harem are all bewitched by her but i dont think any of us will come to like them even after they come to their senses. Even tho its not in their control, i still hate how they treat our fl and nothing can make me like them again. If crown prince was the same then it would really look bad for him to get the throne after being manipulated by some lady, it would also make him look incompetent as an heir who just easliy can be controlled, so author just chose to keep his character clean. This is just my theory.
Yuhh you're on to something those 3 monkeys are unlikeable now even though it's not their fault and if the crown prince started acting like them it would be a shame
I hope the crown prince and the royal family have some kinda power so that they cannot be controlled like the others and the crown prince looks clever he saw through og fls bs when she went with the others to kill the demon king
Damn girl stop digging your own grave
You don't know which story you got transmigrated to but at least you know that you're the villainess so instead of going to these places and act all suspicious knocking glasses of wine and telling the fl that you're not evil, just look for ppl who might be the og villainess' minion and tell them that whatever evil plan u made in the past is CANCELLED!!?
I need someone to beat that ex bf up like I need to see him getting hurt physically and mentally I want him bleeding out He needs to pay for his wrongdoings I don't even know what happened but I already hate him
He is one of those ppl who maintains a perfect image in front of everyone and everybody admires him and even if he does something wrong to someone the victim can't do anything cz nobody will believe them
Ewww wtf this is another porno and the fl doesn't have any self respect either the so called man u fell in love with didn't even defend your honor when the dowager suggested bringing in concubines like i get it it was the norm back then women didn't have rights nor self respect like this dumbass fl but goddamn it pisses me off so much seeing these weakass fls if i were her i would have poisoned both the dowager and the FUCKASS emperor myself and bathe myself in their disgusting blood
Oh no, women back then despite having no rights they had self respect and a strength which even today some women lack. Have you heard of Wu Zetian or Hürrem Sultan, Elizabeth, Catherine the great, Cleopatra. There are many more but these are some more known ones. Not to mention the fact that palace women back then were very devious and calculated by nature, due to the sorounding they grew up in and the fact that they had to fight for favour if they wanted to live a better life.
This story is a severe case of author trying to make a week as female lead just to piss of audience. At this point after having read many such stories with weak MC that's my conclusion, they're trying to give us an ulcer
I know there had been many great women in the past too but most of them didn't have rights(because of men) but instead of doing something about it (killing the men) they fought among themselves to get the favor of said mens
The biggest damage patriarchy has done to women is convincing women and girls that their enemy is other girls we don't see it much these days but back in the day it was very common for girls to outdone other girls just to get a mediocre waste of oxygen pos mens attention who happens to have power
I mean look when a men is being called a pick me it's bcz he's probably being respectful towards women whereas a girl is a pick me when she is bringing other girls down for male attention
And i said women back in the day lacked self respect bcz they were raised like that first they were the property of their father/brothers then their husband/sons and they would fought other women to gain the favor of these men that holds power over them
Yes you're right. I guess fighting between women steamed from the fact that for them the only one they could stand up to and fight against was another woman. Fighting against men was a ludicrous idea so they fought among themselves. I believe the idea was crazy to them because that's how it was engraved in their minds while growing, that men were this high being they had to obey to because they are strong, smart, and better than them in all forms, and the only thing they can do is give birth and take care of the said man's offspring.
Haven't heard of the term pick me being used for men before, hearing it now its interesting how you put it, and it makes sense.
Yuhh the term isn't really used for men that much i mean it literally means bringing other women down for male attention so how would that even work with men anyway but u knw when u think men can't get any lower they always prove u wrong
I've seen it in ig and twitter where incels were talking bs about girls and some dude disagreed with them and they started calling him pick me for treating girls like a human being
What the actual fuck im like shook right now, wtf
This is hilarious, funny how people resort to making you look like the odd one when they are shit's as a group, and you are just pointing it out.
The examples you gave all had to take on 'masculine' qualities to achieve any success. And even then were punished at every stage of their life in one way or another for acting in a 'perverse' manner.
Strength can take many forms. Just assuming a person is weak for acting in a more mild manner is negating the suffering a lot of women experienced in the past and still experience due to the patriarchy.
The FL does have self respect but has been sentenced to death and constantly humiliated and broken down by every single member in the palace apart from her hand maiden.
Moreover, she has been basically betrayed by the very person she relied on, her husband the emperor.
I understand what you mean but still seeing women being this helpless even in these fictional stories where dragons magic and many other impossible things are happening is kinda annoying like we get it women don't have rights even now in reality I don't wanna read about it in my fictional stories too and worst of it all these fls keeps loving these mls not even a bit of hatred in their heart i swear to god if the emperor came to her and was like "hehe i was kind of a asshole but since u r a doormat anyway let's forget it all and start again" and the fls would do it in a heartbeat!
That I completely understand!
The story is very frustrating, but I do think it is honest about the trials of:
1) Living in that time period, with all the rules, hiaerchies and general lack of rights.
2) Strength can mean different things in different contexts. In the latest chapter she refused to shower before having sex with him and is ensuring all her servants are kept safe.
Moreover, she hasn't 'moaned' about her sentence, though she has every right to. Because she doesn't want him to think he's in the right and she knows at that point it would be redundant. Her sentence is at this point final.
I just think resistance can take different forms, as can 'strength'
Oh lord these chapters are getting shorter than my will to live
Not only she's happily married to a wonderful partner but also she's pregnant
I don't get it what is going through sovieshus mind like does he expects her to leave her husband and come back to him???!
Also the dresses Navier wears are getting so uglier day by day I mean compares to the outfits she wore when she was with sovieshu and in the beginning of her marriage with Heinry these recent outfits are soo tacky it's giving shein no offense
The dresses are actually something noble women in the 1800-ish wore during pregnancy. Because they can't use corsets while expecting. So maybe that's why. The patters aren't ugly is just that the silloute of the dresses aren't flattering to Navier figure.
you're correct tho will mention there were pregnancy corsets! the layers needed to hold a dress need the structure of a corset so up until very late in pregnancy they had corsets designed to stretch and hold the belly.
Oh! Thank you! I will read about it because I love antique fashion history hehe
Sorry I meant no offense it's just if u look at the outfits in beginning of the manhwa and compare it to the recent chapters it looks bad
And i understand she's pregnant and wants to be comfortable
The artist maybe doesn't have enough time so they probably just pasted on any pattern on her dress
Looks interesting but someone please tell me she doesn't end up with that UGLYASS FUCKASS HEADASS MF!!! I'm tired of these black haired red/blue eyed mf being the mls
At this point I don't even care if the others are Satan himself I would still prefer them over the black haired one so if anyone knows plz tell me so that I can drop this manhwa
I don’t want her to end up with anyone bc both options are kind of scary one aggressive another who has no sense of boundaries ;-; but it’s definitely the blondie the way it’s set up make it seem that way for sure.
Usually in these manhwas all the mls are trashy ngl but atlst unlike the blondie tha black haired one alrdy likes someone and it's kinda annoying when in the og plot they are supposed to end up with the og fl but in the new one they end up with the villainess they hate so much
From the comments it seems that the crown prince was a asshole and his wife forgave him easily and also don't really like how pushy the ml os towards the fl I mean even before marriage he was kissing her and she was blushing like some high school girl and worst of all they already had sex which was so weird
Like not a single one of these female character has any backbone wtf?! The only female character that is actually using her brain to get what she wants is the fls sister like I get it she is supposed to be the villainess that stole the fls men but at least she knows how to get what she wants
I'm fed up with this trash plot and pathetic female characters I thought it was gonna be one of those cute fluffy mangas where ml comes to save the fl from her trashy family nd fiance