Someone knows where can I read spoilers about the novel?
Don't be so hypocrites and put all the blame on MD. The only thing he did wrong, was choking Chanwoo, nothing more nothing less.
You don't know when you fall in love with someone, and he explains that didn't happen before with any of his ex partners. He's timing for confession was bad, obviously. Still, after his rejection, the other party wanted to keep playing like it was nothing. That was so freaking insensitive. No one will feel good after that and that's the reason the play they did that day was so messed up. One, was trying to show the other there are times when you have to give in because your body wont last, you have to know your limits, all that with a mixture of feelings after the rejection. The other, was so stubborn and didn't want to lose, so his body becomes screwed up.
MD didn't contact Chanwoo for weeks, obviously because he fucked it up. Still, the other party met some random guy and fell in love at first sight just because he was "pretty". Cool, that's his preferences.
But then, why did he have to tell MD about his new relationship? I don't think the other times he went with his ex partners to meet him and have permission of his part so they can date. They have this separate relationship, they could do whatever they want and won't meddle.
Chanwoo was so insensitive and greedy. Making the person you turned down meet your new parter (claps for you Chanwoo). He wanted to have all, that's it. And that backfired at him. Nobody put a gun on his head so he can play that game. He just didn't want to lose to the other sub. MD asked him three times or four I think, if he wanted to quit, but he just didn't. That "slap" was nothing compared to all the things they did, was a punishment for not obeying, was in his right. Stop blending emotions
Edit: I wrote some other part, idk what happened with that.
The last thing I wanted to say is that, this turn of events is good. They now know what they did wrong. I wont care If Chanwoo did not end up with MD, if he likes him, good. If not, I hope this helps him to chose his future partners right. Still, my wish is for both of them to end up together. Let's see what Mingwa sensei has for us.
Finally someone said it
Another victim blaming and abuse excuser.
Did you hear word like coercion?
MD willingly went to meet the new bf. They didn't charged into his apartment without any word.
Chanwoo literally asked MD after rejection if that's ok and he said yes...then nearly strangled him do death.
Smh
I mean I can understand that he started to like his sub ‘Chanwoo’ but that doesn’t mean that it was going to be mutual. Chanwoo and MD knew from the start it was just a physical relationship, so it’s unfair to assume that because he likes Chanwoo that Chanwoo is going to like him back.
To top it all off he goes and basically forces him into this threesome with someone who used and betrayed him. And it is force... threatening someone into something they aren’t ok with is force, and MD should know better, he’s a fucking Dom, that’s not how they should be acting, threatening to cut off a sub for not wanting a threesome, or any act they are unsure or uncomfortable with is just as bad as when a sub says the safe word and the Dom doesn’t comply.
On top of that, that’s not a way to do things, MD knows that Chanwoo has been in bad relationships before, like abusive and manipulative relationships. That’s not a way to get through to someone who’s been hurt and has attachment issues because of how assholes treat him. MD’s manipulating Chanwoo to get what he wants and hurts him in the process.
I can agree that Chanwoo in the was insensitive although if your romantic oartner is ok with that I don't see any problem with having BDSM relationship with others. Many people don't want to mix these two because one can impact the other. It's hard to find compatible Dom who you trust. So I can't understand why Chanwoo didn't want to lose that relationship.
But it still doesn't excuse MD's actions. It's on a whole different level.
I can understand*
Partner*
Dont mind the "Biss". She probably just a woman with MOOD who didn't know how to read
totally agree, how could he show off that new guy like MD feelings was nothing to him?! what the hell was that?! Chan got what coming to him and I don't feel bad for him, he should not have done that and decide who he wants to keep first instead of getting MD into all his mass!
I agree that was insensitive but it was just a relationship for the stream. Chanwoo even said md wasn’t his type.
Nope, that's not threatening. Before they star the play, he asks if he really want to do it, and accepts. It's his decision, not MD's.
You are right, he is the dom, that's why he can chose whoever he wants to be his sub. If Chanwoo wanted to leave, he had the "opportunities", but refuse cuz he didn't want to lose to the other sub, that's the kind of person he is. He was already humiliated, why let the other win and be more humiliated than that. That's why he keep going even if he didn't like.
Looks like you still dont get it, but they started and continued a relationship based on punishments and rewards, that's bdsm for you. Dont come here and say that MD knew his partners and all so he shouldn't treat him like that. As I said before, the only thing he did wrong and overstep the boundaries, was him choking Chanwoo (even tho, people do that in bdsm)
If you didn't realized, MD asked Chanwoo about his partners, told him to stop with that because he gets hurt, he was good to him, letting him sleep in his house even if that didn't mean a pure Dom and Sub relationship as they stated at first and as Chanwoo emphasized when MD asked sth personal.
No one is assuming Chanwoo has to like back Myundae (or however it is wirte) just because he confessed to him. I was talking about him, being all greedy and insensitive.
Insensitive because he presented his new partner to the person he just rejected. Put you in his shoes and tell me if it doesn't suck.
I agree and disagree in the last part. As I stated, some people like that playing, to feel suffocated is what excites then more so they put in in practice and in their plays. But he should have tell Chanwoo if he wanted to try that, not just going to him and choking him with his emotions taking over him. Just that. That is the only thing MD did bad. He said sorry, truly meant it, and didn't want to meet Chanwoo because of that.
But he just went and ask him to meet other person. If you where to receive a message of the one you hurt, there wont be excuses to meet, even if there was other people.
They both crossed the line of just a relationship for stream. You see them interacting off cameras too and do playings on their own.
You still don't what coercion is.... You can't absolutely can't create the situation where consent is impacted by threat. It's coercion. You don't threat someone who just lost his new bf that you will abandoned him too. You don't create such circumstances, such play.
MD had all the right to change sub. If he really wanted then they should have civilised, mature CONVERSATION about their options and solutions.
Not toxic play where sub's consent and choices are impacted by condition. It's coercion. When sub feels obligated to do things he doesn't want to and feels uncomfortable with. It's unacceptable.
They didn't discuss elements of play before. They never had threesome before. BDSM doesn't work like that. It's about safety, full CONSENT not coerced one, satisfaction and pleasure of both parties. Chanwo through all the play acted very anxious, disgusted, he didn't enjoy it in the slightest, was asking if he really have to do that. Even a blind can see he only did that because of conditions and experienced Dom didn't?
This was pure manipulation and abuse disguised as BDSM play.
What's more MD wasn't even interested in other sub. Once again he MIXED his person feeling and ulterior motives with the play which is once again unacceptable.
It's more disturbing because knew that Chanwoo is abuse victim. He met him when he was drugged and about to be rape and Chanwoo acted like nothing happened. He saw his bruises. Chanwoo didn't say safe word although being choked to death. It's more irresponsible to put someone like him through another traumatising experience because you want to teach them psueod lesson (MD isn't qualified psychologist, he didn't have any right to teach anyone a lesson, his pseudo plan could have really tragic outcome, realistically speaking the sub would most likely have complete breakdown) and out of grudge (his smirks both in restaurant and during restaurant showed that he is enjoying Chanwoo's humiliation). And as I said you can't mix your personal feelings or ulterior motives (like teaching someone a lesson) in BDSM play. Sorry it doesn't work like that.
You can't read. But what can we do.
You are so blind by your like of Chanwoo that the only way you can defend him is putting the word "coercion" and blame MD. Your justification is just bad.
So now is MD fault that he was cheated out hahaha and he created that bad situation.
Sorry, I will leave it there. When you are so into sth, you will fight for have the right. Good afternoon, dear reader of yaoi manhwas.
Omg. Chanwoo was insensitive but you seriously dismiss impact of abuse and CLEAR MANIPULATION.
My justification is bad? I think it's better than justifying abuse and manipulation, coercion.
I don't get what you said... I said that MD created the play... Because he literally did and competition? So I don't get what are you insinuating.
Chanwoo was just betrayed and rejected, used and then MD came up with the idiotic idea with toxic competition and took advantage of that he was just rejected and in fragile state of mind and said that if he won't participate in the play then he will abandoned him too.
Sorry it's not my fault if you can't see obvious manipulation.
Kamisama, Dongha is just so freaking gorgeous but kinda complicated, still, I love him. I dont understand the hate towards him. He respected Sanho
Everytime I reread this, I just have to cry. In chapter 3 and 5 more than any others. Ahhh, my heart T.T
Fuck. I feel like a sinner right now. I'll pray and ask for forgiveness. The art was beautiful, it had an story, so I read it all. Goshhh
Someone knows where can I read the novel? Or where can I find spoilers about it?
Ummm I've been reading about a rape case here, but I I didn't see it. I mean, if that was the case, we should have seen the uke fighting back, punching the seme, really trying to escape. The only thing I saw was the typical sentence an uke does when doing intercourse. So I don't get it why putting this into that category. I know and I think we all agree that the seme is such an ass and has to suffer, but still... c'mon
I agree that this shouldn't be in the rape category, but not every rape case shows someone fighting back. Some people are paralyzed with fear, afraid of what might happen if they do fight back or are unconscious.
But he's not afraid of him or the sex. He's afraid that he won't be able to go back to ignoring his own sexual and romantic desires because it is unknown territory to him. He doesn't want to fall in love or become addicted.
Wasnt this suppose to be a manga? Why is it now like a manhwa? It lost its styleeeee :(
sry meant to upvote(￣∇￣")
The new uploader is getting the chapters from lezhin where it was reformatted into a webtoon.
I don't like it either :/ I wish the old translators would've continued with the original manga.
I just want him to end alone. How that fuck he can do that to someone who supports him, loves him and all, and that's been with him 6 freaking years. Cmooon. Such an asshole. Still reading because I want to see how this mess ends.