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DO the translators care if people post spoilers? I mean, why would they? It's not like people are going to stop reading because of spoilers... I don't think there is anything wrong with posting spoilers as long as, like you said, they leave a warning. If they're just leaving spoilers without any warning, basically bating people into spoiling themselves, THEN i could see the spoilers being disrespectful to the readers, but spoilers themselves aren't disrespectful... As far as the warning, I don't see the need to put all those spaces though, all they should do is put spoilers as the topic that way people can just NOT read the body once they see the topic is about spoilers.

I also don't see why the translators would care, but I totally support the Spoiler Warning with adequate spaces so the spoiler doesn't show up without a "click" on the plus/more sign.

I don't know about this translator in particular but I have seen other translators finding it rude because they were uploading chapters pretty quickly and giving up on their translation because we could find it somewhere else. I just didn't want this translator to feel that way and stop because I really like their translations. But yeah, I can't speak for them, I was trying to do damage control just in case it got worse lol

And the thing about putting "spoiler" in the topic is that sometimes my eyes just skip over the title and read the post directly so it was just a plea to make it so that I had to choose whether I wanted to see it or not. Again, that's my fault in a way and I will read the story regardless but still, I would like to not see spoilers right in front of my face, ya feel?

I agree with this. I see no harm in adding a few spaces to prevent unwanted spoilers. The spoilers would still be there for people who want it and it would be almost completely covered for people who don't. Everyone wins.

Not to be an ass, but if your eyes "skip over the title" then it is on you for not paying attention, right? The topic is there for a reason, to tell what the person is talking about. It is important. Obviously there're times when people don't fill out the topic, but that has never stopped ME from reading the topics rather than the bodies while going through the comments. Personally, i've NEVER run into a translator that minded spoilers, but if i did i'd ask them why they care. For every person reading ahead, there is at least two more people who don't know where to find the other translations and are waiting for these ones anyways. Not just that, but i've seen quite a few translations taken down because the translator got caught because their translations were broadcast across the comments section, so even IF someone goes out of their way to translate, there isn't any guarantee it'll be there for long.

Yes, it wouldn't hurt to do this, just to go the extra mile. I just don't think it is necessary. If people read the title they won't read the body after realizing it is about spoilers.

It may not be necessary but it should be taken into consideration when this happens all the time, not only here but in other discussions too, and people always get upset about it. I really don't think pressing the return key a couple of times is something to complain about, it takes such little effort. It's easier to press enter a few times than it is to make other people more observant of the titles.

I don't think there are translations somewhere else. The raws I see put here are in non-English languages or it's people who read those languages posting stuff or it's folks who saw the raws and GUESSED what was going on via the art, not the dialogue.

If the translators come here and say stop--everyone should respect that. If they don't, it's not an issue.

Yes, but my point is that if people would read the topics it wouldn't be a problem in the first place... the reason it "happens all the time" is because people aren't putting in any effort on their end to read the entirety of the post and are then complaining about spoilers because they didn't read the topic, which is their own fault. It doesn't matter what is in the body of the comment or how it is written, it could be in cursive, it woudn't matter. If people would just read the topic and notice it is about spoilers and just move on there wouldn't be any problems.

If people would press enter a few times there also would not be any problems. I don't understand why you are so against the suggestion.

I didn't say i was... Don't make this out to be more than it is. I'm just responding to what you're saying with what i think. I even said "they could do this, to go the extra mile"... All i'm saying is that the obvious solution to this is to put spoilers in the topic and for people to not be lazy about reading the topic and then blame the commenter for their own slip up.

It's easier to press enter a few times than it is to make other people more observant of the titles.

^^this

It's easier to just put "spoilers" in the topic than to put it in the body of the comment followed by a series of lines... Nobody said anything about making people be more observant, just that if you put spoilers in the title and people don't notice it that its on them and they should stop acting like it is the commenter's fault when they did give a warning. I feel like i've already got my point across as its just sheer logic, feel free and disagree, i won't really mind.

I'll point you to my response to Jaz as they took what i said and misconstrued it. I wasn't saying making people more observant is the easier option, what i was saying is easier is to put "spoilers" in the topic rather than putting it in the body and applying a series of spaces... Are you going to argue that simply writing "spoilers" in the topic takes more effort than writing the same thing in the body AND adding spaces? They were just reaching...

Courtesy isn't about easier. It's about taking a little extra pains for other people. We asked they do it for COURTESY's sake, not convenience/easy-does-it's sake.

Lol, what we had been talking about is what is the easiest way to be courteous...

Look, if you're okay with just having it in the subject header. Yay. Good for you. Other folks are asking for what takes less than 3 seconds--a simple courtesy. Doesn't mean anyone HAS to do it, but it's hardly asking for people to give up much to do it.

That is clearly not a working solution to the problem when people are still getting upset about it. Telling people "don't get upset" isn't going to work either. It is not logical to continue to do something that is making people upset.

I never said anyone has to do it either way, this wasn't originally an argument you know. I was just saying it takes less effort on everyone's part to just put it in the topic.

If you put it in the body--it shows up in the topic. So, really, just putting SPOILER WARNING in the body and then hit the space a few times...two seconds of time to make people happy.

Yeah, the problem is you can't edit here. I wish this had an edit function (at least, I don't see one), then it can be fixed when someone types hurriedly and forgets to do the spoiler spacings. (Been there, done that).

You're still just taking what i'm saying and warping it. Here is what i am saying: Putting "spoilers" in the topic takes less effort than putting the same exact text in the body AND adding spaces. Are you trying to argue that it'd take less time to write the same thing in a different place AND add spaces on top? I also never said saying "don't get upset" is a solution... What i said was that if someone fails to read the topic and spoils themselves its on them for overlooking a key part of the comment...

This isn't what we're talking about, i've already acknowledged that you could do this if you want. You're just talking about things on your own... What Jazz and i had been arguing about is what is the easiest way to be considerate of the readers. I said to just put "spoilers" in the title, Jazz said to put "spoilers" in the body and then add spaces underneath. The "easiest" way to do this is obviously what i said as adding the spaces takes extra time and if the person reading the comment happens to "skip over" the topic, then that is on them. Jazz is basically arguing that adding the same text AND adding spaces to that is somehow quicker than just adding "spoilers" to the topic, which i've been saying is just logically not easier as their suggestion takes more time and effort.

All my comments have been about using spaces between spoilers as a solution to the problem of unwanted spoilers. When I said "It's easier to press enter a few times than it is to make other people more observant of the titles." I meant that pressing enter is an easier solution to use to fix it than soley naming the topic and expecting people to see it because that has not worked for solving the problem. The time and effort is takes to press enter a few times is negligible.

Mangago does have an edit feature for topics.

I meant to reply that last sentence to a different comment.

Mangago does have an edit feature for topics. It's unfortunate there's not one for comments too.

It hasn't worked for SOME people, but i don't see ALL that many complaints. Usually. On this comments section it seems like there're quite a few complaining about spoiler, though how many of those comments had "spoilers" in the topic is another matter entirely. You're saying it "hasn't been working" without really basing that on anything.

Whew, my dudes. When I mean "skip over" I mean that the comments are literally in my face. I don't have a choice about whether to read it or not and I would like to have that. And I do like to read comments so I was merely asking people to just put in a few spaces when discussing spoilers.

SPOILER









See? Didn't even take that long, about 3 seconds.

I'm just using "skip over" because you gave me the terminology and i haven't taken the time to think of another way of saying it, I'm not talking about you. I'm not arguing the effectiveness or how quick it'd be to write the spoiler warning in the body, just acknowledging that commenters should be able to write "spoiler" in the topic without some guy who didn't read the topic saying "warning next time?".

People have very similar complaints to comments with only spoiler in the topic and comments without any warning and a spoiler. Whereas people rarely get mad about unwanted spoilers when there's a warning and space. There's no statistics to back this claim, it's just based upon personal observations of the comments section of Mangago.

Okay. There're also people who read the topic, ones who use the text boxes the way they're supposed to be used, who don't have any issues with the body text because they read the topic and moved on. Also from personal experience, i am one of these people. I read the topic.

I'm aware of that but there's still people complaining. It's good it works for you and a few others but everyone is not like that. Pressing enter a few times, which we have already established isn't a tedious process, works for more people.
I don't feel like explaining this any further because there's really no point. If you don't understand why I believe pressing enter is a better solution by now, then I don't think you will.

Why're you convinced that more people don't look at the topic than do? Of course you're going to see comments saying that they didn't see the topic, but you aren't going to see any that say they had no problems avoiding the spoiler, if they had no problems they'll just move on. The only comments you're going to see are the people complaining. It doesn't really matter, both ways would work.

The request isn't for folks who had no problems. :D The request is for those who do. So, your point?

My point was that Jazz was trying to back their opinion that more people skip the topic than read it by saying that they see a lot of comments with this issue, i was rebuttling by pointing out that people who DON'T have that issue wouldn't leave a comment because they'd just move on. In other words, there could be just as many, if not more, people who read the topic if you consider the small number of complaint comments on the subject compared to the number of people who frequent this site.

Yes, we do know. Chill, we each have our own preferences ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Yeah, spoilers are the worst. I understand people want to tell others their thoughts on something, but they could just wait till that chapter is here ╮(￣▽￣)╭ That was the reason I stopped reading comments under Never Understand while it was still running.

I'm with you...

MY HEART BROKE INTO MILLION PIECES WHEN THEY DID THE PINKY PROMISE. HEE BUM STILL REALLY LIKES YOO WON A LOT.

Preach it Sista! (Or Brother *wink*) (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Yep totally agree. People should be grateful. It's awesome coming here and reading manga, especially as we don't get all the ones I like down my end of the Earth. All praise to the translators et all. And any complaints, JSTFU.

Your wonderful words are very much appreciated. Thank you. I was feeling very tired and discouraged from the number of readers who seemed to dislike my translations. I felt awful that this series was being ruined for people and that they were considering dropping it because of me. Because of you and the other gracious readers, I've regained my strength to keep going on. I'll be back with revised chapters which I will post on my wordpress.

I'm so sorry you had to feel that way. Please don't feel like you have any obligations to us, you do this in your time and we're really thankful for that. A lot of us can understand your translations and you don't need to change anything! Thank you, once again!!

I don't blame the artist (although I do think the plot is pretty bad). They gotta make money some type of way and rape sells so...

I totally feel you on this!!! I was reading the update and just being like =_= wtf the whole time

Well it seems like they were having sex before and he passed out, and I guess he was having a flashback during sex then remembers that he has to prep him properly. I mean he did left to buy lubricants..... right? ╮(￣▽￣)╭ and continued after preping him

Or don't fucking read it. If it's not your type, don't fucking read it. There are plenty of sweet manhwa out there.

Doesn't change the fact that it's rape?

Yeah but I mean, this was way too far. I don't mind rape in manga/manhwa if it is treated the way it should be, but this manhwa just disregarded everything that real victims go through and let off the rapist and even gave him a happy ending? That made me mad. I feel really sorry Minjae.

I SWEAR. Every update was so disappointing, I just wanted to kick him in the nuts.

That was not the point of my comment. I wanted to point out just how toxic their relationship is and that it is not okay even in fiction because that's exactly what perpetuates rape culture. Even if it isn't obvious, on some level, we become indifferent to it and it's disappointing that this manhwa (like many others) used rape as a romantic development when it absolutely fucking isn't.

As long as this is not the real world...just remember it's meant to entertain. Some people enjoy, some it's not their cup of tea. I can't always read them, so I stop.

its not like the artist will stop just because you dont like it, theres plenty of people that do. and besides, why should how they make their stories have anything to do with you? they make it for the people who like it, and no one has any right to tell them what (not) to draw. if they want to make rape a romantic development and you dont like that, you should stop reading and forget about it. saying you want to "talk sense into" the artist is very rude and makes it sound as if you think you have the right or the importance to control others.

Just shut up. The author doesn't need your negative feedback.