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How is that Jake's fault? Bro had once risk himself for saving Gren, he told him to get out of there as he wouldn't be able to save him anymore. Shin have also told him to move outta city but my boy didn't listen.

Sooner or later, either Ross or the mercifuls gonna get to him, and the cops wouldn't help.

tf does jake have to do with gren's dumb suicidal ass

Bruh that was funny lol

I really need to understand how you came to the conclusion that this is Jake’s fault

Sorry for having empathy lord, he needed help and he was getting better. When he was taking his last breath maybe they could have rushed him to hospita or sth.

Except he wasnt suicidal and was getting better in that therapy thing. Jake has a lot to do with his death if u used critical thinking. He intervened to cause failed deal, he was playing him as a pwan for his own mission. And at the end even if there was a chance he could have died they still should have taken him to medical help.
And forget jake , i just dont understand what was the point of grens character and his death .

Considering how long Jake has been doing what he’s doing and the amount of know-how it takes, he was most likely talking from personal experience or from just vast knowledge on the subject. So on top of Gren not surviving it, both he and Shin would’ve gotten killed for stupidly exposing themselves since it’s not just the guy obsessed with Shin who has cops and anyone in power in his pocket, but the merciful are also keeping a close eye on Jake. To blame one person for the choices of another and to blame one person for choosing their own survival is plain wrong.

Gren was already in that gang, without Jake’s intervention. Jake essentially saved him by letting him go and telling him to run and not return to the gang. Using critical thinking, are we going to ignore how many ways Gren screwed up because Jake was on a mission he deviated from one time too many?

The point of Gren’e character was simply for us to know Shin’s upbringing and protective side and how this new wound will impact him going forward, and how it also has impacted Shin’s relationship with Jake as their relationship deepens. Life and death experiences can tear people apart or bring them closer.

But what was the point of telling him to run lol when what he did was the reason put him in that spot. He himself have admited to constructing such a plan. He knew grens the bro , he knew he is in gang and he knew what he would do will make this man a target from all sides and went with it. U could say argue gren was just a plot device but u cant argue jake had nothing do with his demise. He did saved him once but he is the reason for what went wrong with gren.

And i dont blame anyone liking jake despite all that but i cant help being mad at him lol.

The fact is Gren met him at Shin for the first time. So Gren knowing him and being in a rival gang when he’s on a mission where his actual gang could also kill him was already a problem. So Gren had to leave, not only because that was problematic for Jake, but Shin didn’t want him in a gang either (which, if I remember correctly, he was hiding it from Shin at the time). Gren is solely to blame for getting to that point. He’s to blame for being in a gang, to blame for not staying away when he was told to, to blame for leaving his rehab early which led to the guy obsessed with Shin finding them together.

Nah he knew before , jake hinted at. U are not making sense. He was not in a rival gang???? Wdym lol. Him hiding it form shin has nothing do with what jake did? He cant be blamed when he asked for help again and again. Staying away he did stay away tho? U are onto some next level Victim blaming shit gawd. He did not leave rehab tho?? Ross found it on his own when he was there getting counselling.He was later taken away along with shin. All of the above u stated has one root problem , jake orchestrated that whole attack that disrupted the deal between mercifuls and ross which led him becoming a target for hoth and jake knew or not he is the reason. U are blaming for being a part of gang has nothing to do with his death.Not to mention gren said he was doing one last time.

The Merciful is the gang Jake is undercover in. Royal Roader or whatever they’re called in the gang Gren was in. While they were trying to strike a deal, they are indeed rival gangs. Jake is on a mission. Gren is in the gang. Jake didn’t have to spare Gren in the middle of his mission. He did. Not sure why you want to pretend he’s not at fault for his own actions. You’re literally refusing to hold him accountable for anything.

The conversation isnt about grens personality , the one under ross isnt a gang but simply ppl who buy and sell drugs. "Jake didnt have to spare" dude u are doubling down on ur own words.Ofc he didnt have to ?? But that was not the point of convo. The point is of him having a huge part of what went down. He went with his plan knowing the "rival gang" that u are going on about would be a scapegoat.

If a group of people get together and sell, distribute drugs under a leader with its members having specific roles, then sure, they’re either a gang or a supplier; it still makes them criminal; not sure why the “gang” term is important. By being part of that gang, Gren put himself in a situation that put his own life in peril. By not leaving town (like he was told to do by Shin) so he’s never caught by either the cops or the Royal Roaders, he made his own situation worse. He's not even collateral damage in what Jake is doing for the CIA since Jake let him go after he found him in the back of the truck. While Ross was consumed by his obsession for Shin, he still went after Shin AND Gren as he believed Gren had betrayed their gang. There are only two people who are the reason this happened:

1. Ross, who pulled the trigger

2. Gren, who somehow thought he could survive not leaving town after things went sideways for Royal Roaders

Jake's gotta do what he have to do bro, you wouldn't even argue about what he did if it's some randos he fucked over. Jake already planned everything since the beginning. Was he the one who told Gren to join mass? No, Gren just happens to be involved in part of his plan. He's not going to pull out of the mission just because he knew Gren was in there.

Moreover, it seems to be indicated that Mass was already planning to ruin the transaction/deal between the mercifuls and Ross. Even without Jake's intervention, the mercifuls will wipe them out either way, including Gren. I'm not even sure whether its Jake's intention for Mass to become the scapegoat, my bro just saw an opportunity for them to testify against the mercifuls and ross. Isn't that why he shoots the other crew knowing they had bulletproof vest? Isn't that to make it seems it was ruined by another party?

But to make matters worse, Gren had to kill the rest of the crew which led Ross to believe that Gren was guilty.. And guess what? Jake had no business to rescue Gren for any reasons, but he still did, and he had told him to get out of there as soon as possible. Anything after that was made by Gren's own choice, not Jake.