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don't worry, it's actually rlly cute, and mhm it probably a good ending (i don't rmb much from it, but i rmb i feel rlly cute inside so i think its a good ending) hope it helps uwu

It did help me ... then I'll give it a go
Thanks (^^)

It’s not shit boring af

As a person who loves psychological genres, it is worth reading ಠ∀ಠ

I just finished reading it, for me it is worth reading it… lots of question but you will get it at the end !

If you like quick stories with themes of revenge, reunion, supernatural, psychological, and horror you'd like it. Might stress you out a bit but in the end all that stress will be rewarded lol.

Ahn... thnks guys ^_^

I'd say no becuase its boring and she banks on this mystery for 60 chapters with little to no explanation but if you like themes and having ONE metaphor make this boring shit make sense then sure.

It does have an explanation?

Barely. The writing is poor and she basically used a measly little metaphor and theme to "explain" something. There are multiple plot holes and the relationship between the characters is lacking in everything besides lust. The metaphor can seem grand "Every person has malice" OOOOOKKKKKK where did they show us everyone is nuanced and malice isn't bad? Who the fuck was threatening their paradise? Black room are every where.....uhhh why our main characters if everyone has malice. Why not the parents who arguably had more malice. You can't tell me they never once went into the room on a thunderstorm day and wished for something. Where do the hands come from? WHy are there mirrors with magic powers? So on and so forth. There's a reason people are confused.

It's not the mirrors itself, it's the reflection. That's why Taejoon was able to see things in windows, coffee cups etc.. The hands are from the victims that have been evaporated, in the birthday party scene we see their limbs be pulled into the mirrors. Both Taejoon and Yeon-woo were not in paradise, which is one of the reasons why they were able to gain their powers. Even if they were, their paradise would've been threatened by: 1. Yeon-woo being separated from Taejoon and the abuse that Yeon-woo faced from his parents. 2. Taejoon being an orphan, being outcasted, and him being forced to be 'likeable' to feel value.

Perhaps my viewing of the story is a bit different since I read this all in one go, but a lot of the misunderstandings that people have is just from them not paying attention to what has already been shown in the chapters.

I personally felt like the story was less focused on malice and more on agony. Taejoon and Yeon-woo weren't given those abilities just for their malice, but because they were in a living hell. They were miserable. You can see that in how they reacted to Yeon-woo's parent's deaths. They just so happened to turn that misery into something that could relieve them of it.

Idk. I enjoyed it. I saw this manhwa earlier and thought that this type of story is better suited to be read once complete. I doubt the author was going for a Pulitzer anyway so I'm not going to give it much of a critical view.

not every story has to lay everything out in plain text. it's obvious that the author wanted ppl to draw their own conclusions and in turn left some things vague.
Also it's explicitly stated that the MCs are not the only ones with this ability. They aren't special or chosen ones they just fit certain criteria and were given the chance which they took.

Ok their paradise was not threatened by anybody AFTER the first encounter as in Yeonwoo's parents. So many random people including the ones in the house party died for no reason. Sure some of them "wronged" them by being somewhat rude and invasive and the uncle did have an affair with Yeonwoo's aunt but they by no means threatened their paradise. Not to mention the stranger on the street who died in front of Jun had NOTHING to threaten his paradise. Your explanation of the mirrors still don't make sense. Ok... its the reflection but she goes on to say "black rooms are every where in the world" and its specifically this one during a thunderstorm and them wishing for something that causes them to have these powers....ok where do the hands come from if that was their first time killing? If not then at the mirror's first conception, where do the hands come from? More plot hole and questions left unanswered and you get my point.

I do not feel like the story focused on either agony or malice because more than half of the chapters are just them fucking. It may seem so profound to at the very end narrate a bunch of half assed explanations about how the world is unfair and good people don't get happy endings and everybody has some malice in themselves but the problem is the author did not SHOW this message throughout. Like I said...more than half of the chapters are fucking and BARELY there is any showing of people being nuanced creatures who have some malice but are also good. We barely see Yeonwoo and Jun's bond besides them FUCKING. He said at the end "he's no longer afraid of the dark" and "We have a bond deeper than romantic" blah blah blah. Well SHOW IT. No where in this entire manhwa did they offer each other any semblance of comfort or 'happiness" in their definition. IT WAS JUST FUCKING. The author can't just bring in this "deep, profound" message of the world is unfair blah blah blah and be like yea TA-DA happy ending. If you have watched Banana fish, now THATS a relationship that goes beyond romantic and they never had to TELL us that bc we could SEE it from their actions. What does Yeonwoo and Jun do to show us that? FUCKING in every room possible. In fact I feel like they never left the house except for very few chapters.

Of course the author wasn't going for a Pulitzer but I think there should still be more effort especially if the author is hinting at a "bigger" problem/conflict and how its SUPER psychological. It's more like she knew if she made something edgy like Killing Stalking in the genre of Yaoi and just have them fuck for chapters and chapters and then add a little metaphor at the end, people will love it. And turns out THAT is the formula that works.

I'm not even JUST talking about the ending. People kept saying how this mystery is so compelling when the author had already revealed that they were monsters in the very beginning. Not to mention they barely have personalities that people shouldn't feel attached to these characters. I mean can you tell me ANYTHING about Jun and Yeonwoo's personality that isn't part of a trope.

I have no problem with people liking this but when they call it a masterpiece....OOF. There is objective criteria to meet that.

You're right but the problem is they did lay it out in text...the last few chapters with that poor explanation. What they didn't lay out was enough explanation and story points to make it make sense. SHOW don't TELL is the number one rule. Like I said, she used a stupid metaphor and "profound" message to say oh this is what it ALLLLL meant. In order to make the metaphor make sense, you actually have to tailor your plot and story to show events that deliver that message.
Ok even if they're not the only ones, it still doesn't explain much. She basically said oh yea its a curse/legend that's been here for centuries JUST BECAUSE. It's never really useful info except maybe ONE chapter there was mentioning of evaporation cases happening in other places but I think it was still in Korea so....

It wasn't just in Korea. It was in China Japan and even the US. Why do legends/curses have to have a reason for existing? Can they not just exist? They're all based in myth anyway, that's why all legends have vague stories.

The people at Taejoon's party were all people who harassed Yeon-woo AND Taejoon. It wasn't just them breaching Yeon-woo's privacy by taking photos of him and posting it on social media; but them trying to impose themselves on Yeon-woo by pestering Taejoon and even following him to his house. Not to mention that the guys were sexist POS and judged Taejoon if he ever disagreed with them. They were bad people and fake friends. That's why they were evaporated. The uncle's issue was not just the affair. It was him taking in Taejoon for the purpose of copying someone and not wanting to genuinely care for a child. Remember the 'Lucky charm' bit? It was also him forcing Taejoon to be someone he wasn't.


When is the last time you read the entire story? You keep on getting details wrong and a lot of the questions you're asking have already been answered.

Anyway, this is just BL and the author is trying to pay some bills. Yeah the story could be riveting but they unfortunately make no money unless someone's fucking. If someone thinks that this story is a masterpiece who are you to debate them on that? It's their personal enjoyment of the story and quality, especially in art, is subjective. I don't think this story was amazing but it was interesting enough to make me feel like I didn't waste my time. But also you are able to hate the story as well. I think that's fair too, just don't go too hard on folks that liked it.

Not really...the people weren't all that bad and even if you argue that they are bad, they largely left them alone after that incident. If she really wanted to show every person has malice and malice isn't a bad thing then she would've shown that their "friends" had some nuances to their character instead of being portrayed as just assholes. Ok even if they're fake friends, bitch didn't have to purposely INVITE them to their house. There's such a thing as ignoring and dropping such friends which they DID for multiple chapters until Yeonwoo being the bitch he is INVITE them for a birthday party as an excuse to kill them. Btw he could've just killed them without inviting them. So? The uncle had an affair with his aunt...he didn't give a shit about this aunt or uncle. Ok? He treated Jun like a tool but he still raised him. I'm not saying he's not bad but he really was not a threat to their paradise. If she wanted to show how bad everything was, she would've focused on that instead of the fucking. For example, the friends could've been explored more by having them be good friends initially and then betray Jun after he had put his trust in them.

When was the last time I read this story? I've been keeping up with it every time its updated. Please tell me what details I am getting wrong. I largely remember most details and if I had missed any, I would like to know which ones. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure I remembered most details with few mistakes (i.e. evaporation cases happening elsewhere beside Korea). Are you telling me a large part of it wasn't them fucking?

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I really don't know how else to explain to you how disgusting it is that a person would take in a child for the purposes of trying to best someone else. Not to mention that this person begged Taejoon to go to the party despite just the other day telling Taejoon to stay away from Yeon-woo because he's a monster. Him actively trying to separate Taejoon and Yeon-woo is a threat to their happiness, as when they got their abilities their souls were tied together.

Just because someone 'raised' Taejoon doesn't mean that he raised him well. Taejoon was forced into doing things he didn't want to.

The friends were shown as 'good' people. It was when they found out about Yeon-woo and Taejoon's connection to him that their true colors started to show. There were even friends that Yeon-woo didn't harm, which further points out that evaporating the people at the party wasn't a random act. Yes he could have done so without the party, but that wasn't the point. He wanted to make a point to Taejoon and Taejoon knew this or else he'd never show up.

I feel like you are critiquing the characters based on your own world view and the rules that our world has, when the world that the author has created has completely different rules. Like, all the characters are not supposed to be fully upstanding individuals. I don't even know why you're so hung up on Yeon-woo being a bitch when Taejoon has the exact same character and in my eyes is arguably more dangerous.

Also this is a story with less than 100 chapters, the author was probably on a limit and had to cut some elements to fit that. Publishers like Lezhin and others are notorious for stuff like that.

It is disgusting to do that...take in a child for the purposes of trying to best someone else but it didn't come off as super bad nor did the author focus much on their dynamic. It was small details but again executed poorly because it really did not seem to be as bad as the author wanted to make it seem. It was so vague. It was just Yeonwoo saying "you think he's such a good person?" The only really concrete info we got was that he was having an affair with Yeonwoo's aunt. Yea I remember something about "lucky" but barely anything else that was obviously pointing to abuse or whatnot. When have parents not made children do what they didn't want to do? We barely saw his friends much except in the beginning. And yea they hung out and they were sort of nice but again no emphasis on the nuance of the characters just oh they went to his house and started taking so many pictures and invading their privacy--BAD.

My point is there was not much focus on all these aspects that were way more important than them fucking. Again they also did not show how Yeonwoo and Jun's bond developed except half the time they're talking about mundane shit, half the time Yeonwoo is manipulating/lying to him and the entire time, they're just doing it. The uncle was in no way separating them...he did tell Jun to not go and then go to the party but also Jun is an adult and HE was the one who decided to leave after finding out Yeonwoo killed all those ppl in the evaporation cases. Not his uncle making the decision for him.

I get that the point was to have them go to the party and kill them but even with the rules in their world, it just wasn't executed well. What rules am I basing it on that's different from the rules of their world? There aren't many rules to begin with as the author has never set a foundation for how any of it worked. She portrayed it like the real world besides the little curse/legend. Legends can exist but again its the EXECUTION of the plot and the "lesson". As someone who has read it as it updated, you're right I forget some details because again a large chunk of it is not focused on everyone has malice in this world but rather the sex that these two are having. The beginning had some delving into the curse and whatnot but then a bunch of sex and mundane shit happens in between, that most readers forget the beginning events because the author literally dropped it and never hinted at it again.

You keep bringing up the fact that the friends and uncle were not upstanding individuals and this world isn't like that and I fully get that. The problem again is the fact that the author largely glosses over it and its minor offenses and they're left in the beginning of the manhwa and only brought back at the very end, which btw shows how poorly executed it is. I don't even remember which friends were worse than others except ONE of them bc its so poorly executed that they don't leave an impression. There's no nuance and they're all killed.

Taejoon barely has shown a similar side to Yeonwoo bc it ended abruptly like that. The only small hints were him being a little shady, his "trauma" and his reflection in the mirror. Of course his being ok with Yeonwoo's behavior but never did it show him being worse even tho it hinted at it. Most of the time he was being fucked and head over heels for Yeonwoo and the times he has shown his character was being unhappy about his friends, lashing out maybe once and realizing his uncle is better off dead.

Again, what are the details that I'm getting wrong. I'm genuinely asking and curious because if I'm wrong, I will admit I'm wrong. I don't feel that small minor details like evaporation cases happening else where defeats the point I'm trying to get across.

If someone slaps you in the face, is it somehow ok because everyone hits people? The uncle literally confirmed it himself while talking to Taejoon that he never truly wanted Taejoon for the purpose of being a parent.

Taejoon lashed out all the time during this story .. just not at others. The reason why he self harmed so much was because of his anger and wanting to deck the shit out of the people around him. It's just that once he started to gain his memories he started directing his anger to the people who caused it. Not to mention the possessive attitudes that he had for Yeon-woo.

Once again, not all of Taejoon's friends are killed. There's two of them that were specifically left unharmed.

While you may think that the details you get wrong are minor, in context they are much more important. I really suggest just reading the story again now that it's complete.

.... to be honest i don't really want to have a discussion on this anymore because it's kinda clear that we're never gonna be on the same page also I don't want to annoy the OP anymore with these notifs lol