Nyxmeow April 21, 2017 9:48 am

Instead of the whole list thing, he basically could have walked into a psych office at any time and said "I have a hackin' shitload of daddy issues" and just started from there. Not that I don't adore this whole manga!! And the characters (although Kurose's my favourite)! But seriously, Shirotani has reached peak Daddy Issues.

    Chie April 21, 2017 9:58 am

    Idk, I love this treatment, somehow it's one of the things that made me so into this manga.

    Nyxmeow April 21, 2017 10:12 am
    Idk, I love this treatment, somehow it's one of the things that made me so into this manga. Chie

    I think it's all right for a step-by-step rehabilitation of the mysophobia (and makes for a good plot, don't get me wrong), but I feel that any good psychologist - or person who had studied psychology - would have understood the importance of dealing with the underlying reasons for the mysophobia in the first place. I know, plot and lovely romance! And like I said, I love it! And I love Shirotani, and Kurose! But daddy issues are also a bit... of a let down, as a major reveal. Just kinda makes it more apparent that it could and should have been identified a lot earlier.

    Anonymous April 21, 2017 10:12 am

    Like anyone can diagnose themselves with "Daddy Issues". The only reason we know about the root of his mysophobia is coz of the author but in reality, people are a tangle of mysteries.

    Chie April 21, 2017 10:18 am
    I think it's all right for a step-by-step rehabilitation of the mysophobia (and makes for a good plot, don't get me wrong), but I feel that any good psychologist - or person who had studied psychology - would h... Nyxmeow

    Yeah, gotta agree w/ you

    Nyxmeow April 21, 2017 10:25 am
    Like anyone can diagnose themselves with "Daddy Issues". The only reason we know about the root of his mysophobia is coz of the author but in reality, people are a tangle of mysteries. @Anonymous

    Again, to be clear, I love the author and the manga - but to me, it actually seems that all along Shirotani was very aware that he had issues to do with his father (and also Bitchface, whose name I've forgotten). It makes sense that he could have been totally resistant to talking about it, when he sought treatment for his mysophobia before (I mean, before he met Kurose). All I'm saying is that really, in the end it could have been dealt with a lot earlier.

    And even though I love him, I can still find it slightly amusing that the root of Shirotani's whole story can be summed up by the description "daddy issues". -- IMPORTANT: I would never make light of mental illness btw, I'm chronic depressive, and some of my absolutely most-loved people are bipolar or fellow depressos.

    Wha???? April 21, 2017 10:47 am
    Again, to be clear, I love the author and the manga - but to me, it actually seems that all along Shirotani was very aware that he had issues to do with his father (and also Bitchface, whose name I've forgotten... Nyxmeow

    So? Nobody's making light of mental illness and I see no point in telling us you're chronic depressive. It's funny how some people think it's a valid point to use the fact that they're experiencing mental health issues as proof that they know what they're talking about. People react differently to help so even if everybody is diagnosed with mental illness, it doesn't mean you're going to recover the same way at the same time. Hence, Anon's words "people are a tangle of mysteries".

    The fact of the matter is while Shirotani "might" have known his mysophobia rooted from his father's pedophilia tendencies, it doesn't change the fact that a normal person (especially one as complicated as Shirotani) would up and go to a psychiatrist and trust that person easily. The only reason the treatment worked with Kurose is because of the trust built between them so whoever that former "professional help" was, they clearly didn't establish the most important step in recovery.

    Onapenny April 21, 2017 10:48 am
    Again, to be clear, I love the author and the manga - but to me, it actually seems that all along Shirotani was very aware that he had issues to do with his father (and also Bitchface, whose name I've forgotten... Nyxmeow

    It has always been about that. Japan's culture led Shirotani to become a fully-fledged mysophobic. The mentality that you need to fit into the society's norms hindered Shirotani for asking anyone for help and fix his problem, I think. He knows well he shouldn't fap to his Dad's sexual life, and he knows if he tells anyone about it, adult or a same age friend, he'd get the same disdain he got from Ms. Bitchface. So he opt to keep everything all to himself and probably never thought to fix it as years went, even when he wanted to, he just doesn't have the resolve to continue it to the end.

    Nyxmeow April 21, 2017 10:59 am
    So? Nobody's making light of mental illness and I see no point in telling us you're chronic depressive. It's funny how some people think it's a valid point to use the fact that they're experiencing mental healt... @Wha????

    ... Did you actually read what I wrote?? I distinctly said that it makes sense that Shirotani might have been resistant to talking about his issues, when he sought treatment for his mysophobia before. My original post was a light-hearted comment on the fact that it could have been dealt with earlier.

    And I brought up the fact that I and people I love have experienced mental illness to say that although I can see Shirotani's daddy issues in a humorous light, I don't think mental illness itself is a joke. Nothing to do with my views on Shirotani's treatment, simply explaining that *I* don't see mental illness as something to make fun of, because I didn't want to offend anyone. So I feel that there was a fucking point.

    Nyxmeow April 21, 2017 11:20 am
    It has always been about that. Japan's culture led Shirotani to become a fully-fledged mysophobic. The mentality that you need to fit into the society's norms hindered Shirotani for asking anyone for help and f... Onapenny

    I agree with you. That's actually pretty much what I meant when I said in my original post that he's reached PEAK daddy issues. I was honestly originally just making a joke about exactly what you're saying - it doesn't get much more Daddy Issues than Shirotani.

    Onapenny April 21, 2017 11:35 am
    So? Nobody's making light of mental illness and I see no point in telling us you're chronic depressive. It's funny how some people think it's a valid point to use the fact that they're experiencing mental healt... @Wha????

    "Pedophilia tendencies", sorry but where did that come from? Was that a theoretical scenario? Because that wasn't how it was in the manga. Wasn't his relationship with Ms. Bitchface mutual? She is underage and his student but she's in her teens and I think she was the one seducing Shirotani's father. Pedophilia is towards children, aged 13 years and below, primarily prepubescent children, thus his relationship with Ms. Bitchface does not count as pedophilia. Just clarifying this, btw. Unless you were something theoretical. Sorry if I misunderstood.

    Onapenny April 21, 2017 11:47 am
    I agree with you. That's actually pretty much what I meant when I said in my original post that he's reached PEAK daddy issues. I was honestly originally just making a joke about exactly what you're saying - it... Nyxmeow

    I guess it's how you phrased it that some reacted to it.
    Plus I think he could never fix his problem as long as he couldn't overlook society's norms and his resolve. If he was in another county/culture, probably he would find the courage to seek professional help but he's Japanese, so...

    Nyxmeow April 21, 2017 11:57 am
    I guess it's how you phrased it that some reacted to it. Plus I think he could never fix his problem as long as he couldn't overlook society's norms and his resolve. If he was in another county/culture, probabl... Onapenny

    Yeah, you're right - maybe it sounded like criticism rather than a joke.
    From what I know (which admittedly isn't all that much) about Japanese cultural
    or social conventions around putting oneself down, and not being/seeming too self-confident, Shirotani's intense self-loathing could have been intensified by being Japanese.

    Onapenny April 21, 2017 4:53 pm
    Yeah, you're right - maybe it sounded like criticism rather than a joke.From what I know (which admittedly isn't all that much) about Japanese cultural or social conventions around putting oneself down, and no... Nyxmeow

    Some can't detect sarcasm, plus it's a read comment. Sarcasm is easier to detect when spoken, I guess.
    Same here. I don't know as much but reading and watching manga and anime that run the same themes, you kinda get that it is not just in fiction, it happens in real life. After all, fiction depicts a part of a culture's reality. Not saying it only happens in Japan but it is just extreme in there.

Nyxmeow April 19, 2017 3:40 pm

I work in a Korean day care (in Sydney) run by my Korean ex-pat friend, and she's told me a lot about the education system over there. Basically, from what she's told me, in high school Korean kids study every day from 7am til 10pm (school then cram school), all to take ONE day of university acceptance tests. This one day will give them a number, which ranks them out of every single person in Korea who's taking the tests that year. And that number will decide their future because it decides which uni they've made it into.

Universities are ranked, too, and the uni you go to determines what kind of job you can get, and what calibre of company will hire you. Eg. Seoul Uni is called "Sky Uni" because it's so far above the others, and is treated as a guaranteed passport to a successful life. If someone doesn't make it into a "good enough" uni, it's pretty much like their chances of a successful life are ruined. It actually sounds really harsh to me. So maybe transferring might be resented because it's seen as kind of getting around the system?

I think Hyung is being a douche about it, of course, but just thought I'd add my two cents from what my friend has told me!!

    Meimei April 19, 2017 4:18 pm

    Added information~
    SKY is composed of the three top-most universities starting with "S", "K", and "Y", with "S" as Seoul University being the top 1 among them. Just to clarify that Sky uni doesn't literally represent how far Seoul University is above the others. ^^ But it is indeed the best. :)

    S = Seoul University
    K = Korea University
    Y = Yonsei University

    Sangria April 19, 2017 4:31 pm

    Well... in my country if u want to chance the University u need to take another test (different one) but with the same degree of difficulty or the University chooise u for deserving (almost never happens)... So i don't know, but i don't think that there the studants can change university without doing anything... or maybe i'm wrong ( ̄∇ ̄") I want to know too...

    Anonymous April 19, 2017 10:31 pm

    But don't you have to be good (high GPA) for them to accept you since they are such a good university? Your grades from previous college? Honestly that is more correct representation of how you will do in college. There's no way anyone who wants to transfer in then they can. I don't know the Korean transfer system but I doubt it is that easy to transfer to a good school. Imagine if it is easy then everyone can after they got into a suck school then just transfer to a better school.

    Anonymous April 19, 2017 10:46 pm
    But don't you have to be good (high GPA) for them to accept you since they are such a good university? Your grades from previous college? Honestly that is more correct representation of how you will do in colle... @Anonymous

    I think because it's easier to get good gpa in lower grade uni, at least in here (SE asia). The regular acceptance test a lot harder than the one for transfer student.

    yoi_fujoshi April 20, 2017 2:15 am

    thats so stressful. i mean name means a lot in america sure, but employers care more about skill and ability and connections than numbers and rankings...

    Nyxmeow April 20, 2017 9:55 am
    But don't you have to be good (high GPA) for them to accept you since they are such a good university? Your grades from previous college? Honestly that is more correct representation of how you will do in colle... @Anonymous

    I do agree, what you say is totally logical! And it's not fair to demonise or marginalise people who transfer anyway - maybe they had to move, or maybe their circumstances changed in some way. Maybe they transferred to an equal or even a less prestigious school. Leave 'em alone!!

    But I think it might still be easier - or other students might perceive it as "easier" - because unlike the official acceptance tests you wouldn't be competing against everyone else in the country.

    Nyxmeow April 20, 2017 10:01 am
    thats so stressful. i mean name means a lot in america sure, but employers care more about skill and ability and connections than numbers and rankings... yoi_fujoshi

    Yep, according to my friend it's insanely stressful. Getting into a top uni, or the uni of your choice, can come down to a single mark because you're ranked against the whole country. If 270 people get the absolute top mark, say 100/100, and you miss out on one mark and get 99/100, your "rank" isn't 2, it's 271, because 270 people got a higher mark than you did.

Nyxmeow April 19, 2017 9:09 am

Expected fluffy ending, got heart crushed. My eyes keep leaking. It's a lovely, hot animal-ears dj, why is it so fucking heartbreaking??!!

Nyxmeow April 17, 2017 4:18 pm

I wonder if they're ever going to confess (either of them), or just keep fucking until they go all pruny.

Nyxmeow April 14, 2017 1:15 pm

SHIT!!! Ahhh crap - that feeling when you get home after a crappy wedding and you're too drunk to functionand tyou see that your favourite EVER manga has updated... but you have to sleep it off first because you're too smashed to even understand it. FUUUUUUUUUUCK.

Nyxmeow April 12, 2017 9:34 am

Firstly, I absolutely looooooove Zariya and I love these two, they're sweet and SO hot. But... something that always bothers me in yaoi when I come across it (no pun intended)... any gay guys please correct me if I'm wrong, but I find it doubtful that a gay guy would find it erotic or even okay when his previously-straight lover says shit that compares him to a woman. Dirty talk fail...

    lenalena April 12, 2017 1:01 pm

    Maybe it feel assuring to some. “I'm just as good as a woman's, which means he won't need to go seek out a woman.” ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ Maybe?

    Nyxmeow April 12, 2017 1:22 pm
    Maybe it feel assuring to some. “I'm just as good as a woman's, which means he won't need to go seek out a woman.” ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ Maybe? lenalena

    Hmm, I was actually thinking *maybe* the opposite - it might feel degrading, which is the point of some dirty talk...

    Well, I'm bi and really, the last thing I want to hear from a girl is "Wow, the way you do that is starting to feel like a guy." I mean, I like guys too, but way to kill the mood.

    (HAHAHA just clicked the "flipping the bird" emoji, looked at it, then thought it was a little too graphic given what I was just talking about... then typed in the sticking-tongue-out emoji - even worse!!! XD)

Nyxmeow April 8, 2017 12:19 pm

Damn, now THAT was a well-executed twist. I seriously felt a jolt in my stomach. I'm so glad I didn't read the description properly! I hope others are lucky like me, and also don't see spoilers in the comments before they read it. Also, the art is great!! It's a small detail, but I love their hair.

    Nyxmeow April 8, 2017 12:22 pm

    ^ Well, actually they're not "spoilers" in the comments at all since it's in the description - it's just lucky that I was inattentive (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Nyxmeow April 7, 2017 1:26 pm

I didn't have a problem with the font at all, and I think it looks quite nice... Ah, I realised while typing this that maybe other people are reading it on their phones? It's totally fine on a pc.

    Nemunemu April 7, 2017 3:49 pm

    I am reading it on my mobile ,yup font are little packed sometimes but i was able to read it good and well .ps it really looks quite nice isn't it ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Nyxmeow April 5, 2017 12:58 am

Chapter 1: Wow I wish I had a Michiya so I could be useless and lazy and still be loved! Sure he's got my phone GPS-tracked, but that's not totally crazy!
Chapter 2: Um, never mind. I'll do my share of cooking and cleaning, and have a non-tapped phone and take my coffee non-spat in, thanks. (⊙…⊙ )

    youraedthiswrogn April 5, 2017 3:31 am

    Is it bad that that is the only part that went over the line for me? The spit thing. Like, i realize he chained his leg down for a bit there, but Michiya is clearly in love and i didn't really feel like he was in danger as long as he talked things out with michiya and reassured him.

    bi-lateral_general April 5, 2017 8:45 am
    Is it bad that that is the only part that went over the line for me? The spit thing. Like, i realize he chained his leg down for a bit there, but Michiya is clearly in love and i didn't really feel like he was ... youraedthiswrogn

    Nah lmao. That was the only thing that went over the line for me too... Like... Ew. But I guess they're swapping spit regularly anyway... But... Still.

    youraedthiswrogn April 6, 2017 2:59 am
    Nah lmao. That was the only thing that went over the line for me too... Like... Ew. But I guess they're swapping spit regularly anyway... But... Still. bi-lateral_general

    yeah, i guess it IS weird that people are grossed out by someone drinking someone's spit when that is basically what we do when making out with another.

    bi-lateral_general April 6, 2017 3:13 am
    yeah, i guess it IS weird that people are grossed out by someone drinking someone's spit when that is basically what we do when making out with another. youraedthiswrogn

    It isn't weird persay... At the end of the day, you consent to it when you're kissing. It's weird as hell to do it secretly to your lover... >_>

    youraedthiswrogn April 6, 2017 3:20 am
    It isn't weird persay... At the end of the day, you consent to it when you're kissing. It's weird as hell to do it secretly to your lover... >_> bi-lateral_general

    yeah, but i didn't necessarily mean the sneaky part so much as the act of drinking someone's spit. I think we can all agree that spitting into your lover's (or anyone's ) drink without them knowing about it is crossing a line, what i was really trying to discuss was how people feel disgust at the thought of drinking another's spit (even if it is their significant other's spit) despite that being the case while wrapping your tongues together.

    bi-lateral_general April 6, 2017 4:01 am
    yeah, but i didn't necessarily mean the sneaky part so much as the act of drinking someone's spit. I think we can all agree that spitting into your lover's (or anyone's ) drink without them knowing about it is ... youraedthiswrogn

    Mmm yeah. Maybe cause I don't think anyone would call that "drinking spit"? Do people slurp when they kiss? It's just a different image xD

    youraedthiswrogn April 6, 2017 10:54 am
    Mmm yeah. Maybe cause I don't think anyone would call that "drinking spit"? Do people slurp when they kiss? It's just a different image xD bi-lateral_general

    You're quite literally drinking spit while frenching with people, but if you've never thought about that then good for you. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Nyxmeow April 6, 2017 11:44 pm
    You're quite literally drinking spit while frenching with people, but if you've never thought about that then good for you. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ youraedthiswrogn

    Kissing is totally different! Seriously, if you're swallowing actual gulps of the other person's saliva when you're making out, one or both of you are doing it very wrong. Or the over-producer needs to see a doctor. I don't know how to explain it, but it's just not the same.

    Someone cums in my mouth I swallow, no problem (sorry, too much info). But I don't care who they are or how much I like them - if someone poured a cupful of saliva into my mouth I would projectile vom it right back at them. For some reason, saliva is just gross!

    youraedthiswrogn April 7, 2017 5:52 am
    Kissing is totally different! Seriously, if you're swallowing actual gulps of the other person's saliva when you're making out, one or both of you are doing it very wrong. Or the over-producer needs to see a do... Nyxmeow

    obviously you aren't swallowing, say, a cup of saliva while frenching, but you ARE swallowing saliva. By your logic you're saying it's less gross to swallow smaller amounts of someones saliva than large amounts. swallowing a teaspoon is less gross than a cup?

    Nyxmeow April 7, 2017 7:02 am
    obviously you aren't swallowing, say, a cup of saliva while frenching, but you ARE swallowing saliva. By your logic you're saying it's less gross to swallow smaller amounts of someones saliva than large amounts... youraedthiswrogn

    Yep, honestly that IS what I'm saying! I actually wanted to add "It's a volume thing" at the end of my comment, but no edity, and I didn't want to comment again just to say that! Especially because - as you say - it's not really logical. Although, while you're making out with someone, the kissing is all sexy and distracting (well, it should be). All kinds of things are okay during sexy time, bodily-fluids-wise, that I probably wouldn't be thrilled about in "cold blood."

    youraedthiswrogn April 8, 2017 3:13 am
    Yep, honestly that IS what I'm saying! I actually wanted to add "It's a volume thing" at the end of my comment, but no edity, and I didn't want to comment again just to say that! Especially because - as you say... Nyxmeow

    okay, i can understand that. As established, it isn't logical, but when it comes to sexy time logic is thrown out the window is suppose.

Nyxmeow March 21, 2017 11:40 pm

Hooray for no pregnancy and babies!!! *dances around and tosses flowers*
And Mitsuru and Suzume are wonderful, decisions were freely made - and respected - about what BOTH wanted.

This is one of only 2 omegaverse manga I've ever really liked (although I haven't read fanfic ones, apparently they're better for some people), and I'm really hopeful that I can love this one wholeheartedly until the end!! I don't personally like male pregnancy, it's just ridiculous to me. I don't find pregnancy and babies romantic or sexy, and it just makes ukes even more stupidly like women. I find the social structure interesting, but clearly Omegaverse as a whole genre isn't my thing, so I usually avoid it. I started reading this one when the first chapter came out and I'm so happy I still like it so much!

    Nyxmeow March 21, 2017 11:45 pm

    I would, however, be up for a spin off story about the 2 couples' sons falling in love, as long as it starts when they're already children (since in my head, they'd obviously be childhood friends)!

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