Yes, there's nuance, but he himself is acknowledging that he played an integral part in why she ended up mentally fucked. This goes into that whole "is the bystander at fault too?" argument and the answer is yes. He stood aside at the father's threat, allowing his wife to be harrassed till she was mentally broken... we've seen in the current timeline that he could have basically just ignored the duke the entire time and NOT just allowed EVERYTHING to happen. Once they got married, how would the father even have a say? He's her husband... The father is the one who deserves the MOST hate, not the one who deserves it ALL. Anyways, let's look at what the newest chapters have given him a reason for:
- her being locked in the room
- her being harassed by the ex.
That's it. Nothing about ths baby being taken from her and from what i understand the reasoning is that he thought it was best because he didn't understand why she was struggling with the baby after birth.
Anyone who's been in on the conversation already knew all these spoilers, but having a reason for treating her like shit doesn't absolve him. Would any of YOU care if your husband "had a reason" for separating you from your child? Outside a scenario in which he was protecting the child from you, what reason wouldn't come across as authoritarian? Like his opinion holds all the weight to the point he could just make a huge decision like that?
Liam is probably future Archie. I don't think the box he gave her is a different box, i think it's the same box, but in the future and i think it's ability is to send stuff back and forward to itself.
Okay, the latest argument is that "he's not the same person", but it's literally a plot point that he is? So...??
He has his memories, he's being nice BECAUSE he has his memories. What is the argument? ?? He rewound time, yes, but from both his and Reina's perspective the past events happened and Reina is still traumatized by it. Even entertaining that the time magic erased their memories, we know what happened and would be able to judge his actions ourselves. No, rewinding time isn't a "free pass" or something.
Enough with the excuses for him. Yes, he does better in this timeline BECAUSE HE FEELS BAD, but that doesn't give him forgiveness. If i cut off your leg and then pay all your expenses for the rest of your life, you still have the right to suffer due to missing a fucking leg and hate me for it. The pain of losing her baby is still raw, there was no time in between her death and revival from her perspective, she just woke up with that wound still fresh in her memories. It wasn't a 'from scratch' restart, it was a continuation. One second to the next. Him not doing the things he did the first time doesn't matter because she lost her fucking BABY and died and still hates him for that.
@simps: You guys know that he's not going to come out of the book and bust you down, right? All this blind denial isn't going to get you laid. Take a whole gallon of water and use a funnel to send it straight down your throat because you guys can't afford to miss a drop.
Your arguments are INSANE, it's just denial and nothing else.
Sorry, a bit confused here. Is there a spoiler or something that says he goes back too? Just started reading lol.
If that is the case, AND he doesn’t know she went back too, then I think that his actions are understandable. He wouldn’t realize that she’s traumatized.
Now, if he knew he was bringing her back, dick move. Explain!!! Give her context, tell her what happened. Do a whole reconciliation with therapy arc or something.
I’m not going to outline the arguments for if he didn’t go back? Because I assume you’d already know them (he didn’t do it yet yada yada).
Also. It seems to me that yes she lost her baby, but died a couple of years (?) after, El or Elle being 2-3 y/o. (the kid looked like he could be 5 with this art style, how old do babies walk??? Do children look that long? I have baby cousins so I should know this, but, like, child?)So yes, probably still raw, but maybe more resigned? Would the rawness come from losing her child, or the fact that someone who was essentially her rival in the household taking the child?
TLDR: slightly confused but politely agreeing! Also timeline issues cuz the kid looks weird. Do kids look like that?
"Sorry, a bit confused here. Is there a spoiler or something that says he goes back too? Just started reading lol."
Yes, there's a spoiler and it also explains hos weird sudden changes.
"AND he doesn’t know she went back too, then I think that his actions are understandable. He wouldn’t realize that she’s traumatized."
He's being nice to her in this timeline, what i and most people are saying is that he's still garbage because he chose to make her life hell last timeline and is only being nice now because he learned his lesson, but learning your lesson doesn't automatically absolve you. She is still being harmed by what she went through, it was traumatic.
Him not knowing she has her memories is just besides the point of whether or not he's still guilty for his past actions.
"Now, if he knew he was bringing her back, dick move. Explain!!! Give her context, tell her what happened. Do a whole reconciliation with therapy arc or something."
Yeah, this is one of the things pissing off quite a few people. He agreed to the bribe, but could've said something to her behind closed doors so she didn't suffer as much, but he didn't even do that.
"Also. It seems to me that yes she lost her baby, but died a couple of years (?) after, El or Elle being 2-3 y/o."
Yes, but her life all the way up till her death was miserable and all the way up till then she wanted to see Elle.
from what I read in some other comments, I didn't read all of them cause I don't care. but I read some of them. and people said that FL didn't love the ML when she marries him and her asshole dad force him to marry her while ML wanted to marry someone else and was engaged
so, they said, that from ML POV he had a reason to hate her even before the marriage. and that the FL isn't fit to be a mother in the first timeline cause she suffers from trauma or some shit. so she could not even touch him, could not feed him, and could not say she loves him. she only sit there and stare at him what they said the same has neglected the child.
which to that I say BS! even if it's true it's not enough reason to take her baby away! if anything he should have taught her how to take care of the child and bring her a doctor! and she did love him in her own way, even if they say she could not do much for him, for that they have like nanny! she suffers from mental illness but you can tell she still loves her child and with time she could have learned to be better!
so yeas, fuck this ML! and from what I seen so suffer he did know she knows about their past too. pretty sure he does but he does not want their child to become crazy again, not cause he a give a damn about her.
We've seen ourselves that she could touch Elle with just the tiniest bit of support
yeas so I guess what those comments said are stupid bullshit, no surprise ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Thank you so much!
To be clear, I really don’t like the ML, sorry if that wasn’t clear lol.
Again, thanks!
No problem :^)
So, she stole her dad's powers, right? Like, he no longer has them and will never get them back? The way it was worded when she was explaining the tear jewel made it sound temporary, but what we've seen afterwards makes it seem permanent.
I didn't realize it at the time because the focus became her becoming the family head, but if she really did take his powers that's some HUGE revenge. Putting the title aside, she took the powers he's had for so long and got uses to using.
I don't know why people are acting like the spoilers absolve the ML. All that means is that he had a reason for treating her like shit. The fact remains that she was still treated like shit. I don't think people are understanding that he damaged her mental health, reason or not. There's a limit to acceptance, it's not "if you have a reason, you're good". If taking her baby isn't a big enough transgression to pass the limit, idk what is.
What's more, the spoilers don't justify him taking the baby from her AT ALL. How is "i did it for them and it was only going to be for a bit" a valid excuse? The length of time isn't the issue, the issue is the authoritarian approach he took in deciding for them that what she and the baby needed was to be separated! This is just so obviously wrong, it's insane that i see people defending his decision.
What WOULD have made his decision okay is a scenario entirely different from the story, something along the lines of her seeming like she was going to hurt the baby. She just had issues holding him! That's it! In other words, he JUST wronged her! There is no "his side" to that particular issue, he was JUST an absolute piece of shit there.
I agree.
I agree!! I’m reading spoilers in the comments on why the duke did what he did but damn he could’ve done things differently. I can just smell this is gonna be one of those “forgive ML, blame shtty dad” kinda stories. Nothing I can do about that but still. Past ML was plain shtty. I’m trying to like ML little by little but I still won’t fully like him because WE KNOW what he did in another timeline and i fckn hated him for that.
TRUE!!!! This also applies to ALL OTHER webtoons who tries to "justify" the abusive/neglective behavior of the ML or the family (usually the father) of the MC with some sort of tragic past or some pathetic excuse like they did it because they secretly cared for the MC.
Doesn't make it worse that they were being assholes because of "love"!? Like dang, a handsome face and a tragic backstory doesn't excuse a sh*tty behavior, most especially when the harm's been done. Think about this more from the perspective of the other party, where they had done literally nothing wrong.
Sure, things are different now because this is a different timeline, but stop painting him to be a likeable person in the past timeline when he will NEVER be.
Yes! When I was reading all these comments saying "but the ML had a reason for acting like that" - he might've, I will not deny that, but there's only so far that reasoning can go. (I'm gonna go on a little rant here lmao I apologise in advance.)
The ML actively neglected AND participated in FL's abuse, you cannot attribute that solely to FL's father. I understand the father contributed to ML being so distant, but it's not like he was under surveillance 24/7 for him to be acting up like that (++ does the father even have that much influence in the first place, didn't all of his power mainly come from FL's mother as she was a Princess or some shit??) - ML could've at least talked it out with FL, that's the least he could've done if he truly respected FL. But he doesn't even do that; he leaves her in the dark and treats her abhorrently until her last dying breath, and that is all somehow justified because he was controlled by the shitty father? Please.
I hate stories like these because the FL will always end up with their abuser ML. It's like the PTSD from the events of the first life just magically disappeared. As opposed to this, I'd rather recommend stories like 'Angelic Lady' (where the FL actually experiences PTSD from being betrayed and seeks revenge accordingly) and 'Shadow Queen' (which has a better portrayal of the relationship the author was trying to emulate in this story and well as the usual revenge plot).
Great reply, i forgot to include that she should've at least told her his reasoning before he did... well, any of that shit. And taking the baby shouldn't have happened at all...
100% agreed. That's another great point that you make too that I've missed out on. It's all shambolic tbh.
!Spoiler!
I saw a spoiler that apparently they end up getting divorced, which tbh i think is great. I like their relationship now, but i think what he did is too terrible to just be swept under the rug by time shenanigans. If she ends up wanting to get back with him later on, when time has passed and he's been punished by the divorce, fine.
As they should I'm quite pleased after reading that. Even though their relationship seems great - it was still a political marriage that both were forced into if I remember correctly (if not then
Is she right that he might eat her or did she misunderstand the book before being reincarnated into it? I'm getting the feeling "eat" may refer to sex. I mean, she gives off a good smell and her blood works, so it could be literal consumption, but there have been times where he seems confused by her assumptions. Like when he told her how to purify.
No he literally ate her Bc he was passed sanity. Since she wasn’t there early previously- he was already insane when they met I believe and ate her.
Holy shit...
Yuhh
It's because her side has been shown in it's entirety, so everyone has seen how sad she was, but his side hasn't and most of these work in a way in which the ML is at fault. This one seems more neutral ground, he just looks like he sucks at communicating and she sucks at noticing his small signs.