
Youre tired of it you turned to complain about it like its a sore sickness? While rape in reality is worst and consent is mandatory, this is one of the cliche plot for yaoi genre. Im pretty sure, we both know that cliche as a long time yaoi reader, but ive never come to the point of hating it. I thought all the plot they tried was amazing, like, you couldnt pull that of in straight romance but we got to see another view in yaoi,. Yaoi is another world, please stop associating it like a stand alone reference in reality. I really love yaoi and all of the trope it has. Its even better if you hate that because they succeded in stirring up emotion in you when they didnt even intended that.
Yaoi does not intend to make readers think light of rape, hence if you did, why are you even? Are you underage? For not knowing what reality is from fiction? And you dont know how yo separate it?
Respect for the mangakas trying to add contribution to yaoi world.

You know, the difference between involuntary-manslaughter and premeditated-murder is whether somebody fantasized about it first.
I don't think the distinction between "fiction" and "reality" makes it innocent.
You can argue that the characters aren't real, so no one really got hurt, but like I say... it doesn't make it innocent.

I think i just made this convo too heavy.
I like the art, and I love yaoi. Fiction would be pointless if it was just a regurgitation of reality.
I like what you say here.
"I really love yaoi and all of the trope it has. Its even better if you hate that because they succeded in stirring up emotion in you when they didnt even intended that."
I've recently come to the conclusion that I'll read pretty much anything if it's well written lol! And if it stirs up a person's emotions, I'll likely consider it 'well written'.
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No, i actually agree that it is not innocent, xD afterall, people didnt notice how what they read psychologically affects them, but if they had enough control on their mind, they wont go end up doing this and chaining up beliefs in the wrong way. Mostly when theyre not really here to read yaoi but is just curious and coping with it with all the rps ships., the outcry sounds that theyre pointing out the wrong things they see and they dont want any part of it but theyre continuing to read it anyway to impose their ideal.
Also, i really love well written mangas too, especially the one thats not really relying on art or smut scene but the invisible sypnosis, if its like that, smut and good art are bonus

I agree, I think part of my problem with rape scenes is that one of the first yaoi i read was "Koisuru Boukun". I was shocked and super into the plot, because I was totally on the Senpai's side (even though I liked the Seme character).
But I felt like the Senpai gave in too quickly. I wanted the rape to be taken seriously and I wanted closure for the characters.
(And yet compared to other yaoi manga, he DID have closure and he totally didn't give in quick enough. He held on waaaaay too long!)
I came back to this manga later and what shocked me this time was that I didn't feel the same empathy toward the senpai, or the same horror at the rape, as I had the first time through. Like you say, people don't notice how what they read psychologically affects them. I guess that's why, i'm not completely against rape plots, I just wish they wouldn't be sugar-coated. I feel like they should be taken seriously.
On a different note, when i think of this,
"Also, i really love well written mangas too, especially the one thats not really relying on art or smut scene but the invisible sypnosis, if its like that, smut and good art are bonus",
I think of mentaiko.
http://www.mangago.zone/r/l_search/?name=mentaiko
I know his stuff is smutty (lol!) but it's not JUST smutty, his characters have SOME depth... sometimes (but it's mostly smutty. lol!)

but doesn't fantasizing come before planning? like, "i'd really like to go to hawaii".
people aren't born murderers, where they plan murder like we plan to take a walk. I think there would have to be a fantasizing faze first, don't you think?
(I really DO want to know what you think, cause i've never thought about it before)

When you fantasise about going to Hawaii you imagine yourself sitting on a beach tanning your skin or surfing on the blue waves of beautiful hawaiian sea or whatever.
When you plan on going to Hawaii you ask your boss for days off and count how much money you'd need for the plane tickets, the accommodation fee etc.
Fantasising and planning are very different.
It's also possible to fantasise about something without actually wanting it to happen. For example a fantasy to Hawaii seems nice and i may indulge in it, but I don't actually want to waste money going on vacation while I'm tired and still have work to do.
Another thing is that; if you're a procrastinator, you'd probably know there is a big difference between planning for something and actually doing it.
Planning a murder doesn't make someone a murderer. Nevermind just fantasising about it.
It's not a sin to have fantasies ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Uwooohh i think katakuri becane cooler revealing himself like that
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highly doubt it. he's as loyal as he is prideful. i'm more concerned about pudding tbh. on one hand i can't really believe the crew would add 2 members at once and luffy did say he only wanted 10 members. pudding would be 11. on the other, wouldn't the crew's interactions be so much more fun with a bipolar girl in love w sanji on board? like she'd be swooning over him and telling nami and robin to back off but at the same time being all "you guys are all gonna die!" and "just die sanji!!... san<3"

Thats great too, i kinda thought Oda wont let Pudding join since it will kill the dynamics of his swooning over nami and robin (He still treasures pudding too so if he's pudding's fiance then he wont act like that, because sanji's guideline 101: dont hurt women, unless Pudding joins the crew not as sanji's fiance but as Big mom's bargaining chip of aliance) I also want carrot to join
Isnt gear fourth a panda look alike?! (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ why snake man? Gear fourth has two verisions?! ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
There are at least 3 versions of Gear 4th: Boundman, Tankman and Snakeman.
Ohhh thanks, its all using armament haki right? Or no..