
What's up with the comment section? Why did someone insinuate that the author's a criminal for drawing porn, what happened there
Edit: It was getting ridiculous and absolutely nowhere. Having one correct point but a bad attitude is never gonna change people's views. This is a nonsense noncon yaoi. Most of its readers are either women or AFAB, as in, people who are prone to be victims of assault. Calling people rape apologist is not going to get your point across.
A rape survivor calling another rape survivor a rape apologist does nothing to anyone. It's even more boggling because you clearly said that cnc is fine because it does have consent. What does that mean for those who post cnc content on the internet? Are they also perpetuating rape culture by performing cnc?
Hypothetical question. Don't answer. It's tiring watching you fight a pointless battle.
Ohh, yeah, I didn't feel like reading into the comment section and had just realized this is the same artist as sadistic beauty. Loved both side stories, it was great
I thought it'd be something actually illegal but it turned out to be moral policing... in a pirating site. Yikes. Post-2020 readers are really something else when it comes to fictional puppets.
Rape apologist? Where did you get that from. I stand highly against rape. If you know me, I have even asked for consensual content in my question.
I’m stating a fact, it’s not illegal for authors to make rape. And I’m not here to moral police like you, because I know what I read. It’s not illegal, sorry.
It would be a blessing if you knew your facts.
You did read it. Your reading list has stated you READ a lot of the stories I KNOW has RAPE IN it, so you’re being a hypocrite. Poor of you, but still continue to blindly go in and read without checking beforehand. Sounds like a repeated “mistake”.
Reading Pearl Boy is insane. Even I haven’t added that shit to my list of done reading. You’re a rape apologist, projecting onto me.
Their a freaking difference between reading stories that normalise rape and those how condemned it ?? Pleas, i know your 2 lasting braincells are too busy fighting for the 3rd place but try using it.
Plus, you're the one saying that bc i read bk I'm a rape apologist. Reading stories that normalise rape and defending them makes you a rape apologist (aka you). Reading bl does not
Associating bl with rape apology says so much about you and your view of gay people amd gay relationship.
Rape apologist, dumb, and with a gay fetish and internalised homophobia. Crazy
where is rape being normalized here lmao it was clear from the very beginning that this novel is psychogical and dark. READ THE TAGS of this manhwa instead of yapping and missing a hit. it'd be a different story if this manhwa is romanticizing rape but hey get this, rape does actually happen and it's not something you can say it's being normalized when it's already been a historical thing that's quite mainspread.
Like?? As if they aren’t reading stories that normalize rape. Pearl boy is literally one of the worst with rapes, and they read that!! They said it themselves that just reading makes us rape apologists, dumb as hell.
Reading it doesn’t make me rape apologist, get out of here with that moral policing. All I did was state a fact that it’s not illegal and it is something people chose to read, but I’m a rape apologist…okay.
@Lolipopcoca
And where did you see me say raping is okay? Your literally said that you’re a rape apologist for reading BLs with rape.
“Plus, you're the one saying that bc i read bk I'm a rape apologist.”
Please go back to your words:
1) “And yes, if you read stories which normalise rape, you're a rape apologist AND an actor of rape culture
And comparing readibg on illegal site and rape is so funny. Says a lot about your view on rape (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ”
2) “Just saying that bl = rape apology”
AND YOU SAY I LACK COMPREHENSION?
"Using death threat and name calling? So immature"
First of all, did i threaten to kill anyone? No
Second of all, I'm calling them what they are : rape apologist and actors of rape culture
Third of all : they are defending stories that glorify rape but i am the immature one ? Got it
You're literally no better than them. Grow up
You said that the world would be better if people who enjoy this typa stuff were dead. While that is not a death threat, it’s still not a great way to start a convo.
You’re right that rape manwha like this can propagate rape culture, especially if manwhas spread narratives like “if the bottom orgasms then they enjoyed it”, or that rape is enjoyable and good for the bottom.
I just don’t rlly agree that I’m an actor of rape culture…I mean I do endorse and enjoy those manwhas, but like I don’t spread rape lies?? It’s literally just my fetish I don’t think I’ve hurt anyone by enjoying this sorta stuff. Plz elaborate
Rape IS bad. Absolutely no one is saying that it's not. You're arguing with people who are reading a fictional story and who know that it is ENTIRELY fictional.
For all you know, I could be a survivor and you just called me someone who supports rape culture because of a story?
People are normalizing rape... Because they're reading stories with rape? Wow, you're definitely a minor. I refuse to believe an adult cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction.
The only chikd here are you two. Not mature enough to understand that fiction isn't just fiction (so many studies have been done on that), and that you are an actor of rape culture. You have no right to say that you stand against rape. You're part of the problem
You beliving that your kink matters more than the consequences of it is childish behaviour
No you don’t understand that CNC is related to rape, it’s the fact that it’s not real/fictional/a roleplay!! Being forced is rape, it’s a rape play!
Nobody said rape is okay in real life, same for being raped/actual rape versus CNC. People read fictional for fantasies, it’s not too serious. You’re the strange one.
Dear Lolipopcoca,
A proper adult knows that fiction is just fiction. Fiction affects your psyche but you choose whether or not to act upon it. I am, in fact, against actual rape. I won't put pixels on the same standards as actual people.
People can be into cnc and hate rape irl, they are not mutually exclusive.
You're the one not mature enough to understand that intelligent adults should and would know what is good and what is bad, that fiction will not affect their views and their morality towards real people.
You're the odd one for thinking that fiction affects reality in a literal way. Misunderstanding what fiction affects reality studies are saying.
Agreed. I think from what I remember (correct if wrong) studies show it’s usually triggering for readers BECAUSE those triggered already have mental health issues. It’s really still a choice to read…
I have participated in CNC with my partner, but I don’t condone rape in real life. I’ve heard stories of such cases, and it’s disgusting and horrific—something I wouldn’t even wish my enemy went through.
That kind of suggests they might be an adult, which is even sadder. Imagine being unable to distinguish fantasy from reality as a grown adult. If they were a child, I would feel extremely bad for them because being on a very pornography-heavy site as a minor can be extremely detrimental to their development. But plenty of these wackos are grown adults who are old enough to drink and vote. So I don’t feel sorry at all.
DudeI didn't completely read all of this but the person morri has been on people's comments that are trying say it bad from what I'm seeing is that this person is trying to justify this type of mangas the fact that they're defending themselves with so much passion proves me even more, how absolutely deranged they probably are in real life. They're talking about, oh I could separate fiction from your real life
Exactly where the fuck am I defending rape? I merely said it’s a choice to read something, and you leave out the part where I have asked for consensual content, AND that it’s valid for some readers to express feeling uncomfortable towards rape because it’s a HUMAN reaction.
From what I see, you’re trying to defend someone who’s ACCUSING of rape apologist, that’s a harmful accusation. Point out or link a post where I stated that rape is justified.
I’m defending myself because I’m being called a rape apologist. Are you insane? Are you telling me to just sit and let myself be called a rape apologist?
Let me guess, you’re Lolipopcoca alt account.
You’re mentally deranged.
“by explaining how being an actor of rape culture is not that bad bc they have a kink.”
Where the fuck did I say that? All I said was that CNC exists and that it does relate to rape, but that’s different from real life rape just like how the stories YOU CHOSE TO READ is fiction/aka not real.
I’m the bad one for defending myself because a mentally deranged person is accusing me of being a rape apologist?
Not supporting rape culture means
You don’t blame victims for what they were wearing, doing, or where they were.
You call out jokes or media that make rape seem funny, acceptable, or unimportant.
You hold people accountable when they cross boundaries, even if it’s a friend or celebrity.
You believe consent is mandatory and that “no” always means no without exceptions.
You support survivors and avoid questioning or minimizing their experiences.
Support survivors, but you wouldn’t even know if the one you’re shitting on isn’t a survivor of SA and act like a dumb one playing morals here.
Want a cookie? Apple?
Believe it or not, SA Survivors read non con. Fiction doesn’t affect them, it’s reality (developing minors are a diff story, and up to 25).
Bro if you yourself is defending yourself, I feel like you should literally just say a few words, then shut them off, I don't think you should be going off and on with them. That's just what I'm i'm going at. If the person doesn't listen so be it, it's rather good that you block them.So you could just shut up well, both of you, I guess.
I think I see what you mean,
this manwha “trvializes” rape by making rape look really sexy.
I’ll say I have engaged in rape culture because I consumed fetishistic rape content (like this manwha) and use rape as entertainment in media.
however that doesn’t make me a rape apologist. There’s a difference, surely, because rape apologists actually excuse and condone irl rape (correct me if I’m wrong).
Also, it’s called rape culture because it’s deeply ingrained and instituted into our society. I honestly wasn’t even aware I was participating in rape culture until now. Thanks for letting me know.
But I don’t think I was at fault for consuming rape fiction when rape fiction is literally made to be enjoyable and glorified.
Since I know better obvi I have to tread some certain lines and be more aware of damaging tropes contributing to rape culture.
I just wanna know:
where does CNC come into play with this? Does CNC also trivialize rape?
How do people with rape kink express their feelings/desires if CNC and manwha like this is off-limits? Is CNC the only option for coping?
“For me personally that's 50/50 (TA) i myself have been SAd and I know there's different survivors so I will never understand other SA survivors SO I cant really give you a straight forward answer.”
—Okay that’s valid, I guess what I’m trying to ask is; Is it making sense to call a victim a rape apologist? Someone who’s just coping.
TW
The entire "cnc and rape kink is a way to cope" is an illusion directly coming from rape culture. It doesn't help you heal, it's quite the opposite. Your brain just begins to believe that what happened is not that big of a deal. Without realising it you're beginning to fell like being rape/SA was not that bad.
On short terms it can help, but it's like putting tape to hold a bridge breaking down. In long terms, it's highly harming, and lead you to ignore the signs, ignore your bodily integrity, and deny your right to consent
Reading about rape to cope is a myth that advantages only one type of people: rapist. By making already vulnerable and traumatised people belive that normalising rape, they will heal, only makes them even more able to rape and to coerce you into thinking that "it's not THAT bad"
The best way to effectively heal in a psychological meaning, is to find a safe place. You don't heal a wound by cutting it even wider. You heal it with patience, care and love. The stories that will heal you are the one remembering you that you deserve consent, care, love and softness
Okay that’s valid, I guess what I’m trying to ask is; Is it making sense to call a victim a rape apologist? Someone who’s just coping.
For me, I'm accepting, if you're not, you're not. If you are...then ermmm that's a very interesting take.
To be fair, you can't really pinpoint.Who's a victim and who isn't i mean I get that if you do, try to point it out, you'll possibly point out a victim. It's either you take the risk or you don't ,for me I sadly, do Take the risk. If they tell me and disagree with me and they r a victim, then I let it go. I won't drag it on.
You can be a victim AND an agressor. It often happens. Some agressor also rape to cope with their own trauma. It doesn't make it okay.
As i said, the entire "read about violent rape to cope with your own experience" is a myth coming from rape culture. Studies proves it : by doing so, you're not healing. You don't stop feeling pain bc you're healing. You stop feeling pain bc you're slowly denying your own bodily autonomie and the importance of consent without realising it.
Healing is long. But "healing" by being an actor of rape culture, the culture which allows the number of victims to increase more and more, is not a solution. Although your not responsible for rapist behaviour, you're responsible for your own (and i mean supporting rape culture). Supports victims, stand against this culture. Don't become an accomplice of what traumatised you
Okay, valid. I just feel like this all started with a very nasty accusation and we don’t even know each other (not started with you but the one you agreed with), quite interesting take. I simply applied the same logic they made, although they later claimed they never said it, I copied and pasted their words.
I feel like this whole argument has their own takes, but to accuse of something like this is just downright nasty. Like you said, you can’t pinpoint who’s a victim.
Girl, when you "copied passed" you literally missed an entire part of my sentence
I said "just saying that reading bl= rape apologist speaks a lot about your view on gay people and relationship" (literally meaning that this is a stupid take)
And you even felt the need to lie by saying that this shitty story was on my reading list (which is not). The entire argument is me telling you how you're an actor of rape culture, and you saying that it's okay bc you have a kink
“Reading about rape to cope is a myth that advantages only one type of people: rapist. By making already vulnerable and traumatised people belive that normalising rape, they will heal, only makes them even more able to rape and to coerce you into thinking that "it's not THAT bad"”
Oh this actually reminds me of something else where predators would read the novel Lolita to minors to make their relationship seem normal and okay.
I actually really appreciate your comment. I’m not a rape victim so I don’t read rape fiction to cope with any trauma, but more so to cope with my own desires.
I don’t think reading rape is a good coping mechanism. Tbh I was actually thinking of getting in contact with a therapist tomorrow to consult them about my strange fetishes and what to do with them.
I don’t know if rape manwha has necessarily affected me mentally, like wanting to commit rape or wanting to be raped. But it has damaged my emotional health and made me focus less on the importance on consent whenever I contemplated what kind of romantic/sexual relationships I wanted.
I think that’s all the more reason to actually talk to a professional to sort things out.
I think it would be best for a person who had been SA’d to also get professional help instead of resorting to rape fiction.
It's literally the opposite girl. Try using your 2 lasting braincels even thought i know they too busy fighting for the 3rd place.
I'm literally saying how rape culture use victim and their vulnerability and trauma to make them believing they will heal by being an actor of rape culture.
Victims are Victims. But that also can be perpetrator, it's not a stoic and unchangeable thing. My take is literally, even though it's easy to be fooled, don't let rapist win by making you an accomplice without realising it. It's literally blaming it on rape culture and rapist, not on victims
You came in here telling them to hurt themselves and then the second one of them might be a survivor you realize how bad this made you look and are now transitioning into a “omg pweese choose peace and love and cope in a way I find morally acceptable” stance. Your attitude that survivors who read noncon or want to use kink to empower themselves are just stupid puppets of the patriarchy or whatever is inherent victim blaming. Talk about patronizing. Go sit in the middle of the road!
Unfortunately therapy doesn’t help every human being, I’ve tried years of it. Off and on meds, maybe it’s the therapist idk . I have read BL before I was SA’ed, I think my desires have always been there. But I realized I don’t want to be actually raped (when I was raped).
So I practice CNC with my only partner. I don’t do hookups, nothing else but one.
Even though many people try to deny it (even more when it comes to bl), fiction does impact our brain, our vision of the world and even our fetish
Knowing the society we live in, it's "understandable " (if i can use this term) to end up with such fantasy, even more when we see the number of stories coming more and more often with rape normalisation.
The hardest take is to understand it, and to know that it's not okay to feel like this. And you taking the initiative of seeing a therapist for it is a strength that a lot of people lack
It's literally studies and psychology.
You clearly need to stoo jerking yourself to rape content and start actually caring about rape, rape culture, psychology and how to heal and help victim.
When you're a victim of a culture (here rape culture) starting being an actor of it is nor a way to cope, nor a way to heal, nor a way to empower yourself.
Rapist are the only people benefiting from it. Not victims, not future victims
Educate yourself
You reacting this way speaks volume. Their is a diference between someone who actually want to listen and who admit what they are doing, and you who belive that your kink is more important that rape culture.
You using those girls abuse and coping (even though, as i said, it's not the good way to heal) to justify and defend your kink just prove my point. The only one benefiting from this myth is people like you
"Now this is victim blaming"... hmmm no ? I'm not blaming you for what happened to you and never will.
But you're also a human being, and victim or not, you're still responsible for your words and your participation on rape culture. It's not an immunity card
Just see how is siding with you : a girl who just admitted only having kinks about rape. Nothing more
Not I'm not going to respond anymore, you all clearly don't care.
I just hope you will grow out of it and heal. Because you deserve to heal, and you also deserve to understand how rape culture works, affects you, rapist, other victims, future victims and more
Sincerely, a victim of rape, child prostitution who will still fight against the rape culture that alowed what have been done to me, to you and others. Even though you're not ready to see it
(Maybe you’ll learn to not fall into abusive patterns.)
Ermmmmmmmmm maybe I didn't read most of the stuff yall were saying before, but I'm telling you, you're the biggest hypocrite??!???!
It kinda like sayin
(This keeps happening to you, so it must be partly your fault.”)
That’s victim blaming, whether intentional or not.
It shifts responsibility away from abusers and puts it on the person who was hurt, which is unfair and damaging.
Let it be i swear. They're acting as if i was the horrible person here, but while i tried to explain how rape culture works and lure victims into thinking that normalisation of rape heal them, while i clearly said that i wished them to heal and find a proper way to do so, without damaging themselves on the way, the only thing they had to say after i stated that i am myself a rape survivor and a victim of child prostitution is "let me be" and "you're missing some braincells"
Says everything we need to know about them
I’m saying this person came in here all guns blazing, trying to be litigious over of all things, a fictional story. But when it turns out that they’re talking to people who have had terrible experiences in real life they immediately switch tactics as to not seem like a victim blamer. Instead using this fake coddling tone and telling Morii that they’re contributing to rape culture by reading a fucking story and telling them that it makes them complicit in rape. Which is a horrible and insane thing to say to a rape victim. When telling them to kts didn’t work, they instead tried to start gaslighting them. Textbook abusive behavior, except it’s on a manga pirating site so it’s a little harder to see, I guess.
Okay? You came in here trying to pick a fight with complete strangers over fiction, which is one of the safest mediums to sexually explore and process traumatic situations. We can acknowledge that you went through something very evil while still pointing out that you’re using therapy speak that you probably pulled right off mogai tumblr in order to shame other survivors.
Plus i didn't shame them for being survivor
I pointed out then being actors of rape culture, which is factually true as rape culture also is normalisation of rape in fiction
But truth is hard to hear. And you being so defensive and using their trauma to justify your own kink also prove my point. Then being gaslight into beliving that they will heal their wounds by cutting it even wider benefits to only one kind of people: people like yourself
Fr, acting like I'm the bad guy here, while they're literally using people's trauma to justify her reading and jerking off on rape
And calling me a victim blamer when I'm literally doing the opposite (explaining that it's society and rape culture that gaslight victims) while victims blaming me, AND using words like "rawed" after i just stated that I'm a survivor. Speaks volumes
I think it is a case by case situation on whether or not you should consume rape fiction. Let’s not dictate what people should do with their lives. What works is what works.
I do think that rape culture should be discussed more as a population so people are aware. Especially about the part that children might be exposed to rape fiction by an older person so they are more susceptible. We should all be able to gauge whether or not we are consuming rape fiction in a healthy manner or not. We should also be aware if other people are consuming rape fiction healthily or not (for example if there’s a kid or a person who was recently sexually abused). Idk idk idk I don’t wanna mansplain since I’m not a victim of rape
But what to say to someone who almost only read this kind of stories...
I will say it one last time. My trauma are not for you to fantasize. It's not for you to enjoy
And for the rape survivor, it's also not a way to cope. It's just a way to deny your own bodily autonomie and right to consent.
Know, I'm done arguing with people who fantasize about rape, and who use other people trauma to support their own fetish (aka this bitch jax)
Bye
Man now u just tripping ??
Once again I didn't read the chat from before but
psychological response where hostages or abuse victims develop positive feelings toward their captors or abusers.
Didnt lolipopcoca strongly disagree with that type of copinng mechanism???
Just to make sure before I start " accusing " you for saying shit
Can you make it clear why you said that tooo them ?
Let’s not be coy here, I saw you wishing rape on someone else here in the comments. So yes. You are a victim blamer, have abusive tendencies, and no amount of me joshing on you in the mangago comments is gonna change that. Sorry you can’t get your face out from between my legs to get enough oxygen to realize that.
Amd calling me a bitch after i stated that I'm also a victim of child prostitution. That's crazy for a signle person
(As you can see, i never, even onced, used the words bitch skut or hoe against you. But you, after knowing my past with prostitution, you used it multiple times. Once again, proving my point)
That’s crazy. And they said they can tell a lot based off my “let me be” response after they mentioned being a victim of child prostitution/SA as well, because I didn’t comment on what they shared. I didn’t directly mention it because I have nothing to say, it’s a sensitive topic and not my place to say, so I didn’t comment but stated for them to let me be.
Very hypocritical to say “I hope it happens to you” and expecting others to give them sympathy because they shared something very sensitive.
you should also be blamed for lacking brains in thinking that just because people read rape means they're fucking rape apologists. it's like you're insinuating everyone who reads rape would LOVE rape to happen to everyone. Idk where your brain came from and what size it is but clearly it is so miniscule it cannot even comprehend what the majority is trying to point out and instead you go here on mangago and wish death on everyone who reads this novel and categorize everyone in whatever kind of braintard belief you have and insist that your viewpoint is true as well as put words on our mouth when in fact, you've been consuming the same type of media as we do. so doesn't that mean, in you're own definition, you're a rape apologist too?
Liiiiiiiike they got some One True Scotsman shit going on but instead it's One True Rape Survivor. And survivors can think whatever they want about this story btw. Anyone can. It's just wild that someone has the audacity to come here, tell everyone reading to play chicken on the interstate, browbeat someone who also went through a very traumatic experience, wish that same experience on someone else, and still think they deserve to be spoken to like a human being. In their own words, "being a survivor doesn't excuse you being a POS."
Abusive mentality for sure. I’m not disrespecting their horrific experience by wanting them to leave me be, I don’t need to comment on it. It’s pretty funny considering they have told someone to go through the same shit, I really doubt they care.
Exactly. This is the nth time they can’t follow their own advice/words. I swear even minors aren’t this argumentative, talking to talk.
Does anyone know what Toba might be saying at the end there? "suki ____" Anata?
Probably “suki dakara” which is “because I like you”
I might be off the mark but toba most likely said 好きだから (suki dakara) [because i like you] but sakurai probably misread it as 首だから (kubi dakara) [because ill fire you] lmao