I believe she is mentally disturbed also. To do these horrible things to people are just evil and it is mental. What I don't get is that when Rina told Azu that Junpei was in love with her at the time... why didn't he deny it instead of apologizing to Azu????
I believe she is mentally disturbed also. To do these horrible things to people are just evil and it is mental. What I don't get is that when Rina told Azu that Junpei was in love with her at the time... why di... PhoenixFyre
I don't know why the assumption is that if people do awful stuff, they are "mentally ill." No, they just might be selfish, greedy, shitty human beings.
I don't know why the assumption is that if people do awful stuff, they are "mentally ill." No, they just might be selfish, greedy, shitty human beings. manganiME
Because if someone like her does extreme things like this, there's something wrong with her mind? Dimension Breaker
No necessarily. She planned this very carefully and she knew what she wanted and she had normal feelings--jealousy, desire, malice--and she went after what she wanted with full focus. At what point was she not acting with calculation, objective in mind, and careful to cover up so she wasn't seen as the bad guy. She's deceptive. She's jealous. She wants the guy she wants to be witih her. Those are not abnormal desires. The thing is, there are cultural norms and even moral ones that say: don't do that. She said fuck it to the norms and rules--like many people do in order to get what they want.
Greed. Selfishness. Jealousy. Deception. Those are moral and character issues, not necessarily mental illness ones.
If she had made up shit--imagined she was in an affair and loved when nothing happened, then we could say she was delusional.
But a person in a situation that makes them unhappy who connives to find a happier situation (for them, screw everyone else) is not necessarily mad. I"m very careful with tossing mental illness after every crime or rule-breaking behavior.
There's a reason we have norms, rules, taboos: People have inclinations to do selfish, crappy, violent things. And that's not madness. That's humanity.
No necessarily. She planned this very carefully and she knew what she wanted and she had normal feelings--jealousy, desire, malice--and she went after what she wanted with full focus. At what point was she not ... manganiME
But she also thought Jupei was in love with her???
But she also thought Jupei was in love with her??? PhoenixFyre
He was meeting with her, kissing her, fucking her. Is it hard to think that she'd think that? A lot of women would think that. I'd need a little more to rate it as erotomania other than a woman thinking a man who dates/fucks her imagines he loves her.
It was implied. If a married man ignores the fact that he has a wife and agrees to meet you, date you and fuck you of course she will think he loves her more than his wife. Any woman would think he's not happy at home and I am special because he's willing to lose his family for me. This is a very common thing in real life.
Watched the last episode to see how it resolves: . . . . . . . . .. . . It seems like the confrontation is a bit different than what we're seeing here and Reika is differently portrayed. BUT...
Wataru does apologize to Rina and offer reconciliation and she turns him down and returns the ring. He lets her take the children. The children then say they wanna stay with Papa and Rina loses it.
The final confrontation with Azu has Junpei telling her he'll never go back to her, even if it's decades, or he dies, or he's reborn. He and Azu know everything to seduce Junpei was planned--and no coincidences--plus the Azu-framing thing. He tells her to disappear. She loses it again.
She ends up going to his job--after sending a bulk email to all the offices to let them know of the affair--and has a nasty moment in the lobby of Junpei's office where she says she lost everything, so why does he get to be happy. It's an ugly, hysterical scene Security tosses her out and she runs into the street and gets hit by a car. (Yay. ) SAdly, the bitch doesn't die (but we never see her again).
Junpei resigns, they lose their house, they have to start over in a new place, but they are hopeful and willing to work on a happy future.
We see everyone else going on with their lives--Wataru is shown being a very good papa--cooking and doing laundry and stuff. He also goes to a singles matchmaking event and meets a nice divorced lady, to whom he says: "I made mistakes. I don't want to repeat them." The hairdresser who had framed Azu (and had told Rina he'd rather turn himself in to cops than cooperate any more with her) is working happily.
So, everyone who learned a lesson ends up paying some price, but happy. Rina, who refuses to apologize and learn and grow, ends up alone and hit by a car.
Look I'll do exactly that.. But I feel I'll memorize the manga for so many reread I didn and the problem I don't get board and I'm sure I'll do that again.
All of this would have ended early if they just realized that Rina is a mentally ill person.
She's not mentally ill. She's evil. :)
That's right. She is evil! I hate her!
Hate is a strong word... but in this case YES I HATE HER TOO!!!!!!
I believe she is mentally disturbed also. To do these horrible things to people are just evil and it is mental. What I don't get is that when Rina told Azu that Junpei was in love with her at the time... why didn't he deny it instead of apologizing to Azu????
She's not mental, she's selfish and coniving!
I don't know why the assumption is that if people do awful stuff, they are "mentally ill." No, they just might be selfish, greedy, shitty human beings.
Exactly!
Because if someone like her does extreme things like this, there's something wrong with her mind?
That is what I mean also.
No necessarily. She planned this very carefully and she knew what she wanted and she had normal feelings--jealousy, desire, malice--and she went after what she wanted with full focus. At what point was she not acting with calculation, objective in mind, and careful to cover up so she wasn't seen as the bad guy. She's deceptive. She's jealous. She wants the guy she wants to be witih her. Those are not abnormal desires. The thing is, there are cultural norms and even moral ones that say: don't do that. She said fuck it to the norms and rules--like many people do in order to get what they want.
Greed. Selfishness. Jealousy. Deception. Those are moral and character issues, not necessarily mental illness ones.
If she had made up shit--imagined she was in an affair and loved when nothing happened, then we could say she was delusional.
But a person in a situation that makes them unhappy who connives to find a happier situation (for them, screw everyone else) is not necessarily mad. I"m very careful with tossing mental illness after every crime or rule-breaking behavior.
There's a reason we have norms, rules, taboos: People have inclinations to do selfish, crappy, violent things. And that's not madness. That's humanity.
But she also thought Jupei was in love with her???
He was meeting with her, kissing her, fucking her. Is it hard to think that she'd think that? A lot of women would think that. I'd need a little more to rate it as erotomania other than a woman thinking a man who dates/fucks her imagines he loves her.
But the fact is he Never told her he was in love with her... right? Just because someone has sex with you doesn't mean they are in love with you.
It was implied. If a married man ignores the fact that he has a wife and agrees to meet you, date you and fuck you of course she will think he loves her more than his wife. Any woman would think he's not happy at home and I am special because he's willing to lose his family for me. This is a very common thing in real life.
Which is very sad!
Actually I understand what you are saying. Some people can be pigs. But just because someone has sex with you doesn't mean they love you.
Yep. But clearly--seeing how he is in general with people--he was probably very sweet, very attentive, and lusty....so she assumed.....
That's right. He was eager and overly friendly because he wanted to have sex. That bastard!
Guys! There have a Japanese movie. Those are 1 to 8 episodes
Where?
http://asianwiki.com/Holiday_Love
Takashi Tsukamoto is Junpei. :D
Viki has it as "coming soon," though this came out a year ago. Doesn't take that long to sub, dang it. https://www.viki.com/tv/36322c-holiday-love?locale=en
Dramafever has it, but you have to disable ads and it has video ads, too. Google it. Mangago didn't let me post the link.
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Watched the last episode to see how it resolves:
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It seems like the confrontation is a bit different than what we're seeing here and Reika is differently portrayed. BUT...
Wataru does apologize to Rina and offer reconciliation and she turns him down and returns the ring. He lets her take the children. The children then say they wanna stay with Papa and Rina loses it.
The final confrontation with Azu has Junpei telling her he'll never go back to her, even if it's decades, or he dies, or he's reborn. He and Azu know everything to seduce Junpei was planned--and no coincidences--plus the Azu-framing thing. He tells her to disappear. She loses it again.
She ends up going to his job--after sending a bulk email to all the offices to let them know of the affair--and has a nasty moment in the lobby of Junpei's office where she says she lost everything, so why does he get to be happy. It's an ugly, hysterical scene Security tosses her out and she runs into the street and gets hit by a car. (Yay. ) SAdly, the bitch doesn't die (but we never see her again).
Junpei resigns, they lose their house, they have to start over in a new place, but they are hopeful and willing to work on a happy future.
We see everyone else going on with their lives--Wataru is shown being a very good papa--cooking and doing laundry and stuff. He also goes to a singles matchmaking event and meets a nice divorced lady, to whom he says: "I made mistakes. I don't want to repeat them." The hairdresser who had framed Azu (and had told Rina he'd rather turn himself in to cops than cooperate any more with her) is working happily.
So, everyone who learned a lesson ends up paying some price, but happy.
Rina, who refuses to apologize and learn and grow, ends up alone and hit by a car.
I say that's justice..
Anyone, do you like me to give you a link website?
I put the link. First Mangago deleted it, but it seems to be back (scroll up). Dramafever.