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That's my favorite part uwu

Like i love this crazy guy cirrus but let's not sugarcoat his wrongdoings just bc he has trauma, he should be focusing on bonding with Skylar and go on a multiple date until Skylar is comfortable enough to tell him his story.

But well, paskim wrote him like the way he is for a reasn. His unstable self is consistent since chapter 1, not really surprising he took this route to chan il. I'm ngl, if i were chan il i would feel betrayed a bit, it's a good thing that chan il is a good boy

they're booing you but you're right!

Cirrus normal fans will admit that he's crazy, cirrus fanatics will use his trauma to baby him as innocent and "this is how he cope uwu"

I think being jealous after being told this is pretty normal, but Skylar really shouldn’t have said that to someone with mentally ill brain ngl:

“You’re a second choice”, and being told that your partner still loves the crush.

Before anyone comes at me, I do enjoy explaining a lot especially when it comes to mental health. I guess one can say I’m a normal Cirrus fan(?) but I do love both characters. I just explain more when it comes to the complex. Cirrus is a complex character and while I enjoy certain types, I will and would never condone what they do or did. Same for the rest of the characters of course.

I don’t think Cirrus is forcing anyone especially Skylar to open up about his trauma, I doubt he even knows about him having trauma. But I do believe the day Skylar opens up, it’ll help solve some of the misunderstandings; Cirrus thinking their relationship is being hidden because he isn’t truly loved, etc.

And yeah, you summed up what mental health can do to people. Not that I will ever justify any of his actions, he’s been manipulative and insecure in the past. While he has apologized to Skylar for everything he did in the past, I don’t think his insecurities will go away.

I don’t see them lasting to be honest, I mean if it was reality. But since this is fiction, I want to see them progress and not be fighting with each other and arguing. I shouldn’t expect a lot from teens with mental problems, but it does get to me. And every reader’s reaction is valid.

Cirrus could’ve told Chan-il, he didn’t have to say everything that he and his girlfriend discussed, but he could’ve at the very least said something like: “I have an emergency, I’m in a rush right now. I will talk with you later?” OR “Something happened at home, I’ll speak with you later.”

But then again, Cirrus has been avoiding him. And he knows he can’t blame Chan-il, only himself. I don’t think Cirrus is planning or scheming stuff, but drama is being created with the miscommunication and assumptions.

Cirrus knows he can’t blame Chan and he knows Chan is perfect in his perspective, so he’s like: “Figure it out yourself.” As you said, sort of a mental game.

Unfortunately, yes this is how some mentally ill teens will cope. BUT that doesn’t mean it’s healthy. I’m surprised he hasn’t killed his father, maybe I’ve watched too many crime documentaries of shitty parents being murdered by mentally ill kids haha.

Anyone who justifies his unhealthy behavior is probably unhealthy themselves. Both Skylar and Cirrus has unhealthy behavior, but I do think Cirrus is more complex and makes the story more depressing.

Chan-il is a green celery. And he’s also human, he will be mad. I’m sure he’s not really that mad at seeing his girlfriend and Cirrus together, he’s been mad since Cirrus avoided him and shut him off despite being FRIENDS.

I don't like the way cirrus fans always want to make skylar in the same level of "unhealthy" as him .... Skylar literally just being silent and live, he's got mad bc cirrus keeps pushing his trigger button and that's only one time with cirrus always the one intentionally provoking him.

What cirrus fans will bring is always skylar past and this one time argument with cirrus. Meanwhile I can list so many manipulative shits cirrus did to anyone near him

Being a mess doesn't mean complex sometimes, i saw Cirrus character is like a manchild throwing tantrum for attention. he's just mentally ill with attachments issue. I dont see any complexity unfortunately, just a 18 y.o having trama and haven't yet go to therapy. Skylar went to therapy, maybe he should too

That’s why I’m saying the day Skylar opens up about his trauma, I’m sure that’ll make Cirrus feel very apologetic. Both of them pushed each others buttons. It may just be me, but I think it was needed.

For the story anyways. The drama. The angst. We all hate it, but that’s part of the story. Man I still can’t forget their first emotional and physical combined fight and argument, I think all fans equally hate that scene (ch 97 or 101? I forgot)

I’ve seen many bring up Skylar’s past and others bringing up Cirrus’s past despite the apology (Some comments here and on bato). I think if someone apologized and another brings it up to hurt them and gaslight, that’s not any better than the person who’s manipulated.

From Cirrus’s perspective, he doesn’t feel loved and feels that Skylar is being distant despite Skylar asking him out. From Skylar’s perspective, Cirrus is too clingy (I don’t think he dislikes that iirc) and possessive. And I think Cirrus knows what he’s doing is wrong, he knows Chan isn’t the one who’s bad here.

While I think Skylar went too far with the beating, I enjoyed that scene, it shows Cirrus seeing his father /trauma trigger. And Cirrus triggering Skylar. This is a roller coaster.

This is a very complex situation. I don’t think I’ll ever understand anyone who hates a character here, I personally enjoy angst but this is kinda being dragged on but I don’t hate it either.

He is complex, complex as in difficult to understand for some. He is not a man either, they’re teens at this point. Both of them are not men (age wise, 19 is adult age in Korea).

Yes, he is mentally ill and has emotional attachment/abandonment issues. Skylar went to therapy, but I don’t think it’s helping much. If they’re going to be together, they’re gonna have to communicate somehow.

But honestly, I don’t see them lasting. One has abandonment issues and abused by parent, and the other has anxiety disorder due to him being outed and attempt suicide. It’s toxic.

And lol sorry for all the dislikes you got. Your perspective is valid, and it’s your opinion too. I’m just someone who enjoys analyzing sometimes and explaining based off what I read and observe. That’s why I say Cirrus is complex, he’s kinda difficult to understand and unravel or label him down to one vague word. As for Skylar, he’s not as fucked up as Cirrus but he has his own issues of course. They’re all human beings, no one’s gonna be perfectly sane.

The dislike is probably from cirrus fans who baby him and use his trauma as a shield to his wrongdoings.

I don't see the complexity, yet, maybe next after he got his lesson and consequences for all the mind game he did.

Their relationship CAN work, Skylar is not that negative, Skylar would overthink but i trust him could make logical decision, in their relationship from what i see based on reading this, the one who's more patient and mature is Skylar (excluding his anger issue, ofc he's a bit violent, but if we can see it from MEN point of view (somehow readers often forget that they're teenage BOYS) fighting while using fist is common with boys between boys, doesn't mean it's right, is the same like when girls doing school fight and they somehow always aiming for your hair or throwing heels lol)

Cirrus just need a lesson and development arc for all his impulsivity. I have a theory after this he realized that not everything need a calculation, sometimes you just need to relax and wait the flow. He should realized that their relationship is still new. And I think Skylar will remind him.

Don't forget the time in the beginning, even all the shits minwoo done to him, skylar still somehow hoping that maybe he could fix their relationship, though in the end he realized that it's no use and he moved away. People really should pick up this manhwa again and re read this, the amount of ppl that misinterpreting Skylar's character is insane

facts

can you explain the lore?

If you search korean litc fandom they even joking about paskim having burnout and she needs to be in hiatus if she's tired, and they will wait patiently until she's healthy again

I see so many international fans babying cirrus despite him always showing his manipulative side towards skylar. Like i read this manhwa and so shocked seeing the hate towards skylar from western fans. That's why i tried to see the Korean fandom and their opinions are completely different than international fandom who always overanalyze scenes.

cirrus apologists blow my mind lmao

I guess everyone’s side of the internet is different because I haven’t seen any cirrus apologist’s…..if anything I’ve seen most ppl acknowledge that he is gone in the mind and extreme at times but in lieu of all of that it’s a good read so the people keep reading

Try to see them on TikTok, most of them think Skylar is going too far for saying something in around chapter 100+ something (the part where cirrus is jealous of chan-il interacting with Skylar). Forgetting the fact that Cirrus always purposely getting on his nerves despite him always saying "no, quit it, dont do it at school" cirrus knew skylar has trauma around Middle school (as he saw Skylar's picture) yet he's forcing Skylar to spill his trauma, always pushing Skylar's trigger yet the people on TikTok saying that "Skylar don't deserve to be with Cirrus" "skylar is doing too much now" "Skylar shouldn't say that, i can't defend him for this" lmao. Meanwhile Korean fandom always talking jokingly that he's showing a sign of obsessive gong XD

You’re kinda exaggerating tbh. There are far more western fans who love Skylar than hate him. The most hate he got was during ch 101 and even during that time there were more posts just basically criticising him or defending him against hate. And a lot fans do acknowledge Cirrus’s wrongdoings while still liking him.

If anything, Skylar was the one being infantilised by fans in S1 and S2. And on contrary, Cirrus was constantly getting huge hate, especially on tiktok.

It’s just fandom got really huge and opinions are very polarised. You will see all sort of takes. Even the ones saying Minwoo had right to do what he did to Skylar or that Cirrus deserved to be SAd by his teacher

THISSS it's true that skylar has gotten a lot of hate in during chapters 100/101 but it's honestly nothing compared to the hate cirrus has been getting throughout the entire series. i still remember when he asked skylar to come over in chapter 90, and everyone was saying that he's probably going to do something bad to skylar/hurt him like he did in chapter 16 they're always assuming he's gonna do the worst

I'm not exaggerating, I literally see full of litc always using cirrus trauma to babyfied him an justified his clingy manipulative "coping mechanism", I always on tiktok like I'm chronically online ngl lol, TikTok majority is cirrus stans that called him little princess I'm serious

I mean cirrus kind of deserve it of the way paskim making him the blackmailer and showing us how he played his game just to have Skylar, not to mention his obsessive inner thoughts abt him.

I think yeah the western fandom is really dramatic and overanalyzing highscool boys interaction, i never see any of that "hurting skylar" opinion on Korean fandom, mostly just joking he's gonna lock skylar in his room lol

he might've deserved it at the beginning, but some people act as he had no development and he's still the same person he's been 90 chapters ago. of course he's not a huge green flag right now or anything, but it's obvious he's trying to be better for skylar

I mean “western” fandom is huge (compared to korean fandom) because it contains of so many different countries, languages n cultures. So all of us get various kind of content. In my FYP I got a lot of videos defending Skylar and bringing up every bad thing Cirrus did. But I believe u when u say that u see a lot of ppl justifying Cirrus cuz just because I don’t see it as often as you doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen a lot.
I just remember how in season 1 when the fandom was small everyone would baby Skylar and hate on Cirrus. In S1 the story was more focused on Skylar, so ppl sympathised with him more. But now we know both of their perspectives n that’s why there are very different opinions. I just think ppl r not used to seeing Skylar hate+ fandom got bigger n that’s why the hate seems a lot but trust me far more ppl love him dw.

And ppl call Cirrus babygirl or pretty princess in a joking way like how Koreans call him obsessive gong it’s not that serious :D

Waait I remember this theory that Cirrus would take revenge on Jisoo by doing smth nasty with Skylar on her bed I know Cirrus is manipulative but it was so dumb cuz when they were in sauna (ch 87) he apologised n said he doesn’t want to put Skylar through a mess anymore.

So in the end you know it that many ppl glaze over Cirrus wrongdoings. Like even the likes, the comments, and just look up the hashtags it's easier to search for cirrus fanatics than skylar defender who probably only has 300 likes or something. And i know they are joking but the way they're so serious in mocking Skylar i dont think they're entirely joking

this works in both ways, just because u saw more skylar haters, it doesn't mean that there's no skylar fans cause i personally see way more of skylar defenders. I've even seen people saying that cirrus deserved to get sa'd by his teacher or after chapter 101 i saw people hoping that cirrus would kill himself lol. these kind of arguments are pointless cause at the end of the day both skylar and cirrus unfortunately have a lot of haters. i personally see more cirrus haters (that doesn't mean that ive never seen anyone saying anything bad abt sky tho). and im not only talking about tiktok (tho i wouldn't take ANYTHING that tiktok fans say seriously cause they're so fucking stupid), im talking about twitter too or other sites

Agree definitely don't use logic in this situation.