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But how come haruna became a spirit Itj power? Apparently no one can see him but Souma since when? So where is his body? He said imhis situation inst the same as enomoto? He is dead? And since when did he became a spirit? The begininning? The accident? Was it the catalyst to Haruna power ? It doesnt explain why he has power. Its confusing

haruna is an angel. he never said only souma can see him lol you can see him interacting with other people. he can just opt not to show himself to others or not. it's not the same as enomoto since enomoto isn't an angel

it’s probably because haruna suddenly declaring himself as an “angel”, went floating out of nowhere and claiming that others can’t see him. and yet in other chapters people can see and interacted with him. its yet to be explained on what he is then? a human with a medium-escaping-soul? a legit angel who can escape his own body anytime? if for me, this part was a tad bit confusing and so suddenly out of nowhere

he never said other people cant see him, he's saying he can choose who can see him.......... and even if he declared himself an angel, that's more of a surprise than confusion. why say it's a plot hole when it literally makes sense? and was ghosts sucking life forces and causing nosebleeds not enough a supernatural element that having angels is that much of a surprise?

sorry im trying to add more reply because mangago cut off my message but mangago keeps not sending it for some reason maybe because of the emoji but I meant to say he never said he was never seen any time before that he can just choose to or not to, and at the moment the other can't see him, and that's how it always has been for him. he's an angel that can will himself to do what he wants but with limits

well, its depending on how one view on it, i understand your explanation and acceptance on haruna’s special condition. however, this matter is what created confusion to others. for me, i would not call it a plot hole, but more of an escape made up in justifying the supernatural condition of this plot. obviously it would be more interesting if we get further explanation, it depends on next chapter and maybe then i will accept it or maybe questioning it more

no seriously it's really baffling that people are not getting it like ??? is it not as simple as that?

I’m sorry but why are you replying to yourself, that’s genuinely so funny

I feel like i understand all these things individually but the way that it was presented was confusing. like the fact that haruna even is an angel came so out of left field for me personally? and that his only two options were his friends soul or mcs soul also didn’t click for me because I don’t think it was super well explained what capabilities an “angel” had or what it even was. I think the story could’ve done better with adding clearer world building of what supernatural beings are able to do and with dropping more foreshadowing. but maybe it’ll seem more cohesive on a second read

It's because, I'm having a hard time believing haruna is actually, really an angel. Like- huhhhhh??? Since when did angels started living as a human?

yeppp i totally agree w this! i was able to understand it but since it was presented jn a confusing manner, revealing it so suddenly without any build-up or hints, it was quite hard to believe it at first. hence, comes the confusion.

Yeah, I mean look at Haruna just floating mid conversation! And then he says that not all can see him? But he quite clearly has a physical body others can see? Does this mean:
A) Souma is alone in a café talking to Haruna's spirit form, so everyone else sees him like some sort of crazy guy? (≧∀≦)
or
B) Haruna just did some spiritual trick that only Souma can see?

The information is there, but it's quite messy.

YES YESSSS you pointed out the specific scenes i have questions about wkshkwksk let's just wait for the next chapters to clear our questions

it's an add on lol. i was too lazy to edit the original. or just ridiculous that so many people were confused

I mean ghost and causing nosebleeds aren't supernatural enough to you? but regardless of that, it's not even confusing if you say it that way it just means it surprised you lol. it's very understandable so people saying it has plot holes or confusing instead of it being surprising is confusing me as well lmao

haruna was literally seen interacting with other people in previous chapters. it just means he can do what he wants

haruna was literally seen interacting with other people in previous chapters. it just means he can do what he wants and will himself to show himself or not

it's more an element of surprise than confusion.... but that concept isn't even remotely new... there's so many works out there having angels live with humans

sorry it sent twice. idk why mangago's breaking up my replies lol

I’m not going to argue bc it’s not that deep and I don’t actually care but read back what you originally said and then how you replied to yourself. I can’t accept it wasn’t you hyping yourself up. Not only that, but right after you made another comment about the same thing. It’s like you’re comedically trying to boaster your point in a childish way and it’s so cute. I don’t believe it was just you adding on and that’s okay bc I had such a good laugh, ily and bye bye

Np. Happens to me too. Thing that's confusing me is more what the other people are seeing, you know? Do they see Haruna just flicker out of reality, or is he just sitting there for them while Souma is the only one seeing the body floating?

Might be completely insignificant, but makes me scratch my head.

Nice summary you wrote in the other comment, btw! I liked the bullet points (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I know, right! But what if we end up with more questions? You never know~ ꉂ(≧▽≦)

“supernatural” is a super broad term- depending on what story you read what capabilities and effects ghosts can have are different. it’s up to the author to define that clearly to some degree so that it’s understood by the audience with relative ease.

you were able to understand the plot super quickly and that’s great! but from the comments a tonnn of people were left confused (and not from a lack of trying to understand what’s happening). I think the reason for this was that the things that occurred didn’t feel ‘believable’. typically an author would define rules that govern the world, leave foreshadowing, and then do a twist- that’s a surprise that’s well executed imo. but here i was like huhh ig this guy is floating now too? oh he’s also an angel? oh he has to pick between the two souls? like it doesn’t feel cohesive and immersive because I’m constantly so thrown off by stuff happening. but that’s just me!

exactlyy I felt the same- there was no build up or hints!

This is what I was wondering too! How is nobody seeing him float around since he’s in a human body?

the thing that i'm confused is, when enomoto died protecting him, did he also die, or was he an angel that time, well...

Sorry! Meant to upvote. I’d really love a redemption arc for his homophobia too.

Honestly, same; we're long due some serious reflection on Jaehyuk's part but I don't think we're going to see that in this "arc"; narratively speaking, this would be the time to vindicate Garam about his ex's shitty behavior, as well as to "terminate" him (again, narratively speaking, I'm not talking muder, just him not showing up anymore) so that he is no longer a threat to Garam's current life. So in a way, as this is supposed to be more about Garam and this specific trauma with his ex, I doubt they'd try to tackle Jaehyuk's past behavior as well. In a way it's understandable, since storytelling won't always follow the most "logical" path; so even if it'd be sensible for both issues to be addressed at the same time irl, there is a reason to separate conflicts further apart when working with a comic (especially since it's a normal morden setting, and you have less of a leeway in how many conflicts it's sensible to throw at your characters)

But anyway I'm rambling atp my bad I am still hoping it gets adressed later, too. I think there is a high chance this will be brought up whenever one of Jaehyuk's friends show up again, since this point was discussed halfway with that one girl friend of his, in that restaurant. Hopefully Jaehyuk has already had some progress on that front when talking to his parents, tho, or the drama is sky rocketing (￣∇￣")

But would he have done the same thing tho? When Jaehyuk got caught having sex with his female friend, I don’t think he put the blame on her? (not that his parents would allow that lmao) The situation isn’t the same ofc, since he wasn’t caught with a guy, but I’d like to think that he wouldn’t treat Garam like his ex did

But I agree with the inner reflection point you made, Jaehyuk really needs to evaluate his actions and apologise to Garam at some point soon

in the first chapters he was already blaming garam for "seducing" him so I wouldn't put it past him ngl...

nah I understand that but that way of storytelling is really linear. even a bit of hint of him realizing he was doing something in the same vein as garam's ex would've done it to set it up for a later arc that focuses mainly on it. imagine if he was super angry saying all that stuff against garam's ex and had to pause midway cause he realized he has been doing some shitty things too? peak. I appreciate authors who could pull that kind of storytelling off each time. set it up now, explore it later. it also makes the characters have more depth than being one dimensional

I agree, but as time goes on I realize it's not really everywhere you will find a setup>payoff that really feels earned like that but I mean, maybe there's still time right? Doesn't hurt to dream lol

While I agree with wishing for Jaehyuk to explicitly apologize for his past actions (hoping we still get that in future chapters), I have to disagree in the part where you said Jaehyuk would've done the same thing as Garam's ex.

You wouldn't be comparing the ex to fuckbuddy Jaehyuk but to the Jaehyuk who's already dating Garam, and the difference in how boyfriend Jaehyuk would act from the ex-boyfriend is best seen when the red-haired girl found out about their relationship (he literally didn't deny anything and defended Garam). Basically, the ex went into the relationship without the balls to commit while Jaehyuk already acknowledged that he was an asshole and changed himself before committing in a relationship with a man.

For me, since they missed the chance of bringing up the homophobic thing here, I think it could instead be brought up when they get outed either publicly or to Jaehyuk's parents. Garam probably still has some fear about breaking up from getting outed because of the hurtful things he heard from the ex's mom and Jaehyuk in the past, so I'm thinking Jaehyuk could apologize and reassure that their relationship will be fine.

why can't we compare the two though? why are we setting the criteria for comparison at "it should be in a situation where they're dating!"? you could still be caught in the act without dating and he would've done the same point blank. he was caught having sex with a girl by his parents, what did he do? blame the girl as well saying it was her fault he was in that situation.

Okay, I reread the post, I actually missed the part where you said "since way before he changed," so sorry for that. If it's way before he changed then yeah, it's a fact that he was the type to blame Garam and even say insults like the ex's mom did, so the chapter really would've been a good point to have some reflection that leads to an explicit apology.

I just immediately assumed we're putting Jaehyuk in the ex's exact situation and thought it was weird that fuckbuddy Jaehyuk's characterization is being used in the role of a boyfriend. I realized you were just drawing similarities with how he was in the past after rereading.

yeah, maybe I should've made that clearer cause reading it again it can cause some confusion. and no worries

having a different and shitty impression of someone doesn't excuse assaulting them, hence why being mad at ml is the most logical thing you as the reader should do, if you're normal

Idk about assault, after all MC approached for that reason, noh? Also its quite ironic ur talking about being normal when the MC himself has trauma/dilemma of being "normal"
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you made a whole fanfiction from my comment