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Question, who is kwon taeha and hawon?

Same, who are kwon taeha and hawon... Which manhwa?

It's a manhwa called The Foul. Don't start to read it now... Let it marinate and read after some time otherwise you might go crazy

What kinda plot, hopefully the author isn't you bro

Why tf would u show a dude who looks like he chews out the hearts of the mafia a porn movie tht u made w another guy. Uno is smarter than tht bffr, I would even understand if he was seen coming outta a hotel with another dude (and it was consensual) and Lorenzo saw him by ACCIDENT. As an agent who regularly should be tangling w the mafia/gang members in the US, he should hv thr basic intelligence to understand tht these mfers r possessive/scary af. Do yk how many wives/gfs/mistresses/other partners were offed (brutally, like acc very sad cases) just for having sex with another person? Lorenzo would not fly off on a rage, the way he was raised, he would outright kill uno, or trap and 'punish' him i.e. torture (and I mean all types, I've read the cases) him for what he had the audacity to do. Also Uno's personality/chara is legit pleasing his partners and catering to their needs, if he were to show shit like this to Lorenzo on purpose then IK he doesn't value his life. Idk what the ml does in The Foul but the situation you're describing straight up sounds like rape not sex ('he didn't have a choice'), in which case, yes the ML should fly off in a rage and kill the dude, not out of jealousy (fuck outta here that's rape, why is he jealous of his man being raped???), but out of disgust of tht pos.

If what you're describing does happen 1. It's horrific writing on par of the author (negative research, like if they read one wiki page or did a vv light preliminary search they should know all this) 2. It's just there for the drama and doesn't rlly add to the plot 3. There are several better ways to pull off jealousy, ts is weird, it would be a death sentence to show a dude who was raised in the Midwest and grew up on gunpowder and toxic masculinity, a video of 'their' guy fcking another dude like him (he bit off another dudes tongue to prove to others his strength/what he does to even suspected traitors)

Anyway if this was a random story I wouldn't rlly care and woulda just moved on, but I rlly like this authors stories and while the MC in red apple definitely could've been smarter, he wasn't downright stupid either. Most manhwas hv p ass plot and pull this type of stuff all the time even when the material doesn't align with the design of the character (i.e. my fave goofy ML doing the unspeakable at the end of Scammed and Rammed), so I really hope tht this story doesn't pull these types of stunts for the drama. Sorry for this rant, no offense to you or anything, I just rlly struggle w bad writing rip, maybe I'm just sensitive bc of what they did to my boy in Scammed and Rammed.

TLDR: I hope the author doesn't go in this direction, it's bad writing and wouldn't match Uno's chara design or proclaimed intelligence as an agent. And if Lorenzo didn't murder/brutally torture Uno as a result of his stupidity then it wouldn't match Lorenzo's supposed craziness as the head/executive member of a criminal org who was raised in the pits of the Midwest w his fuckass grandpa. Wasn't trying to offend you, I just rlly dislike wonky writing. Justice for my previous fave goofy boy in Scammed and Rammed who was murdered by a bad writer

Just wanted to add (since I went back to check which story you're talking ab) the MC in The Foul is someone who sells his body to pay off a major debt tht he owes (not an agent with bodily autonmy and the life security to know better). The seme in the foul knows the MC does sex work to legit survive, that's a life without options. Plus the seme controls EVERYTHING in MCs life in the foul, he has doctored it so the uke has nothing and has to rely on his body to survive. Uno has support systems and his character itself is supposed to be the mischievous yet snake-like and intelligent type (think Loki), where he understands what he needs to do in order to thrive (not just survive). He is in control of/has agency over his sexuality, using sex as a manipulation device is not the same as sex for survival. He is supposed to be on equal footing in terms of brains with the ML, he knows which buttons to push but not ones tht would kill him/cross the line. U also made me rmr why I hated The Foul rip The MC still can't get out of his fuckass situation, it's like groundhog day why he gotta suffer like tht I'm following Rainbow City and Finders Keepers (hoping for good dev) but the Foul rip

*change snake-like to fox-like

And these comments are referring to the idea of Uno filming a porno/intentionally showing off the act of him acc having sex with another person to Lorenzo after he seduces him, not to having sex/doing his job in private or without Lorenzo's explicit watch/knowledge.

Went back to read the foul again and holy shit is the MCs life sad wtaf, forget sad backgrounds, that's prolly lvl 200, his personality is like strong mf but his story is tht of a pawn, tragic . I cant why did u put me down this rabbit hole, gotta get outta here . Uno isn't giving tragic so far (Hawon's life wth ), he's looking more like Stiles from Teen Wolf (with Stiles' background) and I hope he pummels anybody who touches him without permission (smth the MC in The Foul couldn't do). I hope they keep to Uno's intelligence and agency + control over his own sexuality as an agent. Also the brother raped the MC, u want Uno to go thru noncon, get it filmed and then Sent to Lorenzo.

If sorry if what I said offended you in anyway to write this long... but I will not be reading all of this.

Since you wrote something this long, it would be rude of me to just ignore it...so I'm going to share my thoughts before writing this comment.

Uno uses methods like having sex with possible informats to gather information as shown—he's very open to using his body by means of completing his mission. Hence why I refer to it as "promiscuousness". As per the ML, I don't know but the way he acts shows a sociopathic pattern, the type to do very questionable things, like shown when he bit his secretary's tongue off. Given how he's able to do things like that indifferently. It isn't really impossible for him to do something worse.

Plus, what I'm talking about is introducing a 2nd ml, who will be considered as his rival. And GIVEN his behavior or nature, wtv.you wanna refer it to, he can act SIMILAR to how Kwon Taeha reacted when he found out what happened to Hawon or what Hawon did when they were separated.

He would be continuing his other missions with other ppl in private like he always does (as seen). If he does simultaneous missions with another ML supposedly, why would he use the porno he would make of that to send to the ML?? What stupid ass plot line would fit this? Also, just to clarify, u most definitely did not just refer to tht sickass fucker as a rival ML. You, yourself, said that the brother rapes him and the video is sent without consent. Kwon Taeha should not be flying off the handle from rage out of jealousy (which you said happens i.e. og comment) in that case wtf. Ur making it sound as if the ML should be jealous if Uno gets brutally raped (not promiscuity) and that shi gets filmed. I've seen and worked w SA victims and if anybody sees their states/their rapes then gets jealous that someone else 'touched' them or some other shi, they belong under the jail.

Also, reiterating my previous point, Uno is an agent not a dumbass, why would he film a porno with another dude and send it to a guy who can annihilate a village, ik u didn't read the initial comment but I have stated multiple times that there are cases where heads of crime organizations have seen their partners getting it on w another person and sent them to the gulag for it (o lookie there sociopathic tendencies). Lorenzo grew up in a way that would have him killing, at best, and physically torturing, at worst, Uno for pulling the stuff ur talking ab, esp after Uno seduced him. He bit off another dude's tongue for a purported betrayal. U didn't even talk ab going w another ML in private, u said filming a porno and then sending it. And if it's sent non-consensually, Lorenzo shouldn't be mad out of jealousy but out of disgust.

I rlly dislike faulty logic (w/ minimal to no research done on acc gang behavior and sociopathic tendencies that develop as a result) and badly written plotlines, esp when they take place in America, where I'm more aware of the landscape.

Forgot to add last part: so, I rlly hope the author doesn't ruin this story w any nonsensical plotlines. U don't have to reply LMAOOO. As a novel reader and a DEVOTED fan of acc good stories (I.e. Little Mushroom, Golden Terrace, In The Absence of Light - where rape and consensual sex is shown in a mature way, The Long Game, etc.) I enjoy dismantling disorienting plot points that don't fit the char's MO.

So If you actually read my original comment, what I sad was "How Kwon Taeha reacted when he found out that Hawon HAD TO HAVE SEX"..... I'm gonna repeat it again, REACTED...what I'm referring to is Kwon Taeha's REACTION during their confrontation.
- Bloodshot eyes, angry yet trying to stay composed.

So to make it any cleaner, I want the ML to see the film of him being intimate with other man, preferably with the 2nd ML. And I want him to react the same way how Kwon Taeha reacted during the confrontation I'm referring to.

I'm not sure if you're overthinking what I originally said or you misinterpreted a part of it...since you brought up "gang behavior and even rape, which I DID NOT mention once or suggested.

And to answer your question to why Uno would send something like that to the ML, who knows, maybe, just maybe, to obtain a reaction from the ML. This story is bound to develop to romantically, given that they're relationship will most likely be love and hate/ enemies to lover. Also considering how their first interaction ended, Uno might use the tactic I'm referring to to push his buttons when they're in the development stage of their love-hate relationship.

Like you said, he's not dumb, after all he's a national agent, but this is a romantic fiction, EVERYONE is doing stupid thing for the plot.

Since you made this personal, idk, just maybe consider that not everything is about you. I'm happy

Since you're a novel reader just like you mentioned, maybe, ask what I mean first, to clarify things, because that's what a normal person do when they are confused.Instead of writing this long replies that is more focused
on YOU like rather that what I'm talking about.

It's simple really, you can just say I don't like it that way, because I honestly don't mind if someone disagree with me.

I made few grammatical errors but I hope I'm making my point across. And to add, I'm also a novel reader. Though I don't know how that is relevant to this conversation but since you brought it up, idk, it must be something.

First, u did not read my previous comment at all (thats why u wrote idk why ur talking ab gangs lmao), but as I have mentioned previously over and over and OVER again, a dude raised in the environment that Lorenzo was, who grew up in the buckwild of US and has suffered under unreal levels of toxic masculinity and having to let go of any softness (essentially an eye for an eye), would not leave Uno alive/physically unscathed for doing something as nonsensical as sending him a porno of a him with a second man. I will reiterate, he is part of a criminal organization where partners get send to the gulag if they even hint at betrayal, esp of such an absolutely stupid nature. Idk if u live in the US or have extensively read about crime orgs from there (the author should do their research since it's ab another country) but the partners of ppl like Lorenzo (those w sociopathic and criminal tendencies) who do this type of 'betrayal" don't get a couple love bites and they're good to go, they get physically abused and murdered.

Second, in no way, shape, or form did u explain the initiation of this senseless plotline, except for a brief reiteration of Uno 'would have to' or for 'his work as an agent'. Lmao, what work, and why would he have to send a porno of himself (smth that would def piss of Lorenzo due to betrayal) to the owner of a crime organization?? To make him 'jealous' lmao bffr (they're adults not 16 yo and Uno is a supposedly intellegent agent), to draw him out (if Lorenzo was stupid enough to be drawn out with rage bait then he's stupid as shit)?? The only thing this would gain is Lorenzo either beating the shit out of Uno, imprisoning him for life or killing Uno. It's a stupid plotline and would.only serve to add senseless drama to a story tht prob shouldn't waste space. It's simply bad writing, I'm afraid. And while that suits certain stories (i.e. fluff pieces), I would like to believe that a story set in good old 'Murca isn't gonna fill it's space with unnecessary things.

Finally, okay, I'll bite babes, according to ur own comment, Kwon Taeha is reacting like this to seeing a man he loves/is obsessed with getting raped/being forced to have sex right? So this reaction should be disgust, disbelief, shock but it should not be jealousy (o BTW u mention 'and I don't mean a sweet jealousy I want Kwon Taeha's reaction' lmao why is Kwon Taeha's rxn the other extreme of ur description of a 'sweet jealous'??). They should not be having the same reaction bc they are reacting to two different scenarios. One would be supposed disgust/disbelief/anger (Kwon Taeha) and the other would be betrayal/jealousy/anger (Lorenzo). Bc the first one happens with a ML witnessing a rape of a loved one and the other one happens after seeing a betrayal (again, in the context of looking thru a crime boss).

If you have read any good stories then you would know that many novels use nonsensical ideas to fill up space and add nonsensical drama. While jealousy is great when executed in a proactive and plot driven manner, it can go awry when people use it as drivel to veer off the orignal story. What you're describing here, isn't a good plotline but all I was saying is that I hope the author doesn't do this bc it wouldn't make sense in the context of dudes like Lorenzo in US and agents like Uno. I even mentioned in my OG comment that I hate when authors plummet the development of a good character for drama i.e. Scammed and Rammed.

If you're a novel reader then u should know that setting and characterization counts. The setting is the US and a character like Uno is a very very common one in Western media (one that I'vegrown up seeing in stories). I simply stated how nonsensical a plotline like this would be. Ppl seem to get off the idea of jealousy that a male lead has towards a MC but in your explanation that doesn't make sense. If it was another context and the ideas were explained well or came from a well-established view I wouldn't have said anything (I explained this in my initial comment as well)

This is getting boring... we're only going in circles. To make it very, very, very brief, have you seen Kwon Taeha's reaction during the confrontation I'm referring to? I want the ML to have the reaction same if not similar to Kwon Taeha's reaction, that is excluding the context.

This is literally just the whole point of the original comment.

I didn't make it personal tho?? I simply said it's a bad plot point then dismantled every single reason why I thought that.

You're the one who' has calling me abnormal, I never said anything about ur personal character. I stated my reasons for why ur idea doesn't make sense in the context of the story. I have not made it personal in any sense or form. I have also asked u to clarify multiple times by stating why it wouldn't make.sense. when your rebuttals still weren't making sense, I simply asked u to clarify again.

Ur right we can agree to disagree but u did not read any of my comments, decided to reply then got angry and started calling out my personal character even though I've never once brought up urs.

I don't understand why you have to write all that, when you can just say " I disagree/ I think otherwise/ I don't think that matches their character very well/ because -" it's really that simple.

Oh, and I did browse your replies and my point still stands, they're all about what you like and what you want to happen. But then again, you do you, and I'll do me

Why would MC need to send a porno of himself having sex with someone else for this to happen? It doesn't match his characterization nor the one for Lorenzo in the context of a man raised in the way he was, where he was raised and who he currently is. He wouldn't react with rage but composure. If this did happen in the context of the story and Uno did it willingly, Lorenzo would kill or brutally torture him. It's bad characterization and limited knowledge of the story setting that I was pointing out.

Anyways, this is it ig (unless )?? See ya bro

U rlly do not know how to argue do ya babes? U didn't scroll thru shit; then you should point out where I dissed ur character or called u abnormal. Its not about what I want to happen it's about u not knowing anything about crime organizations, the consequences of betrayal in those settings, and character design. U also don't seem to know much about the landscape of crime and ppl in the US rn as well. U don't seem to know all of these and thats okay, but bad writing is not

I have to write all that bc its a context ik about and what you're writing is nonsensical. But anyways, this was fun!

"In the context of the story" and where only 6 chapters in. And again, why would I be angry over something like this? I wouldn't say I feel happy, rather confused as to why someone would spend that much time writing all that. When the person they're talking to isn't really interested based on their previous responses.

I'm not here to argue about what I want, because that is what I want to happen, and it's only normal for someone to disagree and I'm really fine with that. And yet here you are still replying when I made it clear that I have no intention of reading what you're saying.

I'm sorry if it offended you in any way, but that's not my problem anymore. I wrote that comment for myself. For me to comeback, I do appreciate the response, whether to agree or disagree but I'm not going to argue when we're looking at this clearly from different perspectives.

The context of the story AGAIN is criminal organizations and secret agent organizations in the USA. I have restated this multiple times. Are they going to become un-American, do they turn Korean??? I have been stating over and over and over again that I am talking ab this from the Western perspective and of crime + how sociopathic tendencies in criminals are expressed specifically HERE. I have said this again and again and again. There are 6 chapters out but if the author did minimal, and I mean even read a couple wiki pages out there ab how betrayal is perceived, this plotline would be nonsensical. I have stated this so so so many times. And I have said I just hope the author doesn't go with this type of plot line bc it would be senseless.

U did not offend me, I dislike illogical plotlines in stories and I was here to discuss. I like discussing good development and why certain arcs are not great/illogical. I have also told u in several comments that u can ignore me if you like lmaoo.

Idk what essay contest you’re trying to win but uh, the next chapter has MC (Uno) fucking another person and ML walks in on them and Uno just smirks and tells ML to wait for them to finish (〜￣△￣)〜

generational trauma haha

I need to calm down.

They should’ve had one last gang bang scene

That's unfortunately what happens when you reach a certain age with added stress and a non balanced diet

Ummm about that.....

WHAT NO

Of course shes sick. Probably cancer, Am I right???

What!!! WHAT!!!

DONT LEAVE US HANGING MAN

Yep!!

*spoiler alert*







She gets really really sick and then passed away :(

Noo!! Why is it always the moms!!! I already lost mine! Why do they keep reopening the wounds..

Do u know what chapter im the novel we’re at rn?

Volume 3, ch 9 or 10

thank you