idk just them being married without any romantic connections is really doing it for me. marriage of convenience has always been an awkward or depressing trope (most of the time) but the term “marriage of convenience” being used like this is funny enough, used well for me and the smut is drawn so well too; the mind break, cuckolding, overstimulation, most of these are harmful plays that are done or executed very badly in the porn industry but this manga was able to make it enjoyable and somewhat written well (it’s not really consensual non consensual) but the aftercare between their plays is comforting and was shown realistically how bed plays *play* out!!
words can’t express how much i love this manhwa. thank you to the author’s parents for giving birth to an angel without the author we wouldn’t have gotten blood bank. everything about the manhwa is perfect, from how the characters were writtten, the pacing, the art style, everything is just so perfect it actually makes me sad that some people hasn’t read blood bank yet. this manhwa will forever have a special place in my heart and soul shell you are an angel gifted by the gods above i hope you know that you are loved
BIHWAN’S TRAUMA IS NONE OF MINCHAN’S RESPONSIBILITY.
y’all ain’t the one to talk about invalidation when y’all are invalidating minchan along bihwan. just because minchan has been patient with that man child doesn’t mean that he’s unnaffected by the situation. y’all are forgetting the fact that he’s literally babysitting that fuck face unwillingly because that asshole binded their souls together UNWILLINGLY.
“he had a rough childhood and only has seoho” and? what does that have to do with minchan? literally the reason why minchan is so patient with that fucktard is because minchan himself also had a rough childhood.
if we’re invalidating bihwan for hating on him for literally not accepting minchan as MINCHAN HIMSELF, then you people are also invalidating minchan because for 1, he is his own person. 2, if that stupid fuck hadn’t binded their soul together he wouldn’t associate his ass with that fucking man child.
someone else's trauma, is not a stranger’s responsibility.
The binding of souls was because of his pent up emotions for 1,500 years,.. and they are living different timeliness. I think as the story progresses the seme will be asking for minchan's forgiveness. If the seme falls for minchan he will likely regret how he binder their souls because if one dies the other also dies.
so if someone’s pent up, they already have the rights to force someone to bind their fucking souls together? make it make sense.
No. If someone's in their right mind of course it's not right to do that. But at that time it was inevitable for the seme because it was the only belief he knew. The seme could still developed his character when he is more familiar with the current timeline. I'm sure he is not that type of person he is just confused with the unanswered doubts. Give him some time and he will make things right. One of the points of a good story is if the character can make a positive change.
Off topic but i really thought yall were the same person
i remember when people are mass down voting me for saying bihwan pisses me off i ain’t going back on my words lmfaoo imagine having sex with someone who doesn’t even acknowledges your own existence and is imagining you as someone else and that is WHILE you’re boning each other. i genuinely for the love of god cannot see bihwan falling in love with minchan AS HIS OWN PERSON. he’s obviously gonna fall in love w minchan because he has no other choice cause he fucking sees seoho in him… cause ain’t no way he can fucking redeem himself after mentally fucking with minchan
i havent read thisbyet who is bihwan
goblin seme
Homie I respectfully disagree, you’re making it sound like Bihwan is some grand master manipulator. This entire situation is literally happening within days, not weeks, months or years. The guy just got out of imprisonment. You and others are complaining that you understand this but you don’t. Narratively speaking, it wouldn’t make sense for bihwan to accept minchan so quickly either. We have to wait and see. It’s fine being frustrated with the ML, I get where your hatred is coming from. But if the author fucks up his character development, then you’re 100% right.
literally where does that state or imply that i’m making him a master manipulator? all i said is that he pisses me off because despite minchan expressing his frustrations from being compared to his past lover, he still hadn’t changed at all? and like you said, it hasn’t been that long but we’re 20+ chapters in and ML is clearly still not able to grasp the situation and doesn’t seem to be capable of moving on to which led me to think or theorize that the only way ML will fall in love with MC is through seoho? i think you’re the one who doesn’t understand the situation here because sympathizing with MC’s frustration is somewhat a taboo to y’all
“ cause ain’t no way he can fucking redeem himself after mentally fucking with minchan”—Hisu
Of course the male lead can’t move on. It’s been only a couple days in universe, that’s not how trauma and sadness work. It makes it worse that Bihwan can smell his soul, I haven’t seen anyone able to explain this part?
Plus I understand Minchan 100% situation just as much as I do Bihwan. He’s his own person, my favorite scene so far is the question he ask Bihwan in the shower room, “What will become of Joo Minchan huh?”. The absolute tranquil anger and frustration coming from that line made me love him even more. I don’t know why you would assume I would find it taboo for you to sympathize with Minchan. The story shows you multiple times how awful this is for Minchan, how his life is basically just temporary for some dead guy he looks similar to…
I really like the both of them and want to see where their relationship goes.
If you need character development to happen within several chapters quickly, I don’t think slow burn stories are for you, you might want stories that are more fast paced.
and how is that exactly making him out as master manipulator? does mentally exhausting someone always has to immediately be caused by manipulation? is babysitting some thousand year old guy not mentally exhausting enough?
while yes i do believe that bihwan deserves his own time to redeem himself, but to redeem his self AS MINCHAN’s main lead that’d be a long way to go after this fuckery.
it’s you who i still think who doesn’t understand my point here. of course sooner or later that man child will change. but that change will not undo his actions towards minchan and that’s why I THINK he is still not capable of falling in love with minchan AS HIS OWN PERSON. the only way he’ll fall in love with that boy is through seoho, WHICH IS OBVIOUS.
This will be my last response to you, we can agree to disagree. Like I said you should read something else because it’s sounds you don’t have patience. And yes, you’re in your rights to criticize the story, that why we have comment sections. But it sounds like you don’t like the seme at all and personally, I wouldn’t stick around if I were you.
it’s not a shock for that to be your last response cus i’m pretty sure you realized that you just embarrassed yourself. “we can agree to disagree” when that is what i’ve been doing in the first place. since when did i disagree about the seme’s trauma? all i simply stated is that he’s a character WITH FLAWS and that literally just means that the author is doing a good job on writing a complicated character. y’all are so butthurt for some fucking reason when no one is disagreeing with anyone EXEPT Y’ALL LMFAO. try practicing on accepting that not everyone has to like what y’all like. you aren’t the center of the world.
then stop reading!! y’all sound like babies throwing tantrums. it’s the author’s series so she will be deciding what she will write. and i don’t think y’all want “toxicity” as if jiwoon and suha’s relationship isn’t toxic enough. y’all want a rapist; a fucking criminal to be forgiven just because he went through the things he did to his victims. cry all you want but the author themselves have already said that she never wrote dohyeok to have people sympathize for him because the author is aware of how fucked up he is. same goes to his supporters who are kids that just because someone went through a ride from hell doesn’t mean that they automatically DON’T deserve it. that person could be a serial rapist and has charges with physical assault. GROW THE FUCK UP. y’all are disrespecting the author.
idk what happened kotani has always been bad at communicating since volume 1 but he somewhat changed towards the end? but i guess everything is still up to shishikura because he was the one to take initiative in the first place; he was also the one who confessed. kotani apologized but he only does when shishikura’s pushed to the edge and left feeling miserable drowning in his own sorrow— words directly from him. i though he’d changed by volume 2 but he became worse and idk why’s that i feel so bad for shishikura, he deserves so much better.
just got back because i didnt want to read the story while it’s on going since i didn’t want to be left cliffhanged. but after finishing the side story 1, are people actually sympathizing with dohyeok? are we forgetting what he did to suha? wasn’t his little arc with suha also shown in the side story 1? i need to remind you all that consent out of fear IS NOT CONSENT. dohyeok deserved what he got and the author did a great job on writing it. when he was gang raped we could clearly see his “friend” not bothered by it because it’s in their nature, what they did to him is what dohyeok normally does before he became a bottom. siwoo had every right to reject him because he has his morals. are we forgetting that he clearly saw that suha’s uncomfortable and didn’t want to top someone while being watched yet he insisted and threatened on breaking up? THAT IS CONSENT OUT OF FEAR AND NOT CONSENT. just because he had karma biting his ass back doesn’t erase what he did in the past, you may think that he didn’t deserved it all but remember all the times when suha had to do go through that EVERYDAY. and did y’all collectively closed your eyes while reading the part where he treated siwoo like shit? threatening his family and holding his workers hostages for gang rape which he HIMSELF went through? read the last author’s note during the end of the main story, you’ll see that it is not the author’s intention to have people sympathizing with that menstrual blood.
If we are gonna talk about consent, let’s not forget all the main characters are rapists, there are no good ones here. We just hate Dohyeok a bit more cause he has a shitty personality but we overlook the fact that Suha put his partner’s penis in his ass while his partner was asleep, and his partner…we already know. And revenge rape isn’t it man, I felt disgusted seeing that.
He deserves beating and jail if anything.
Him treating Siwoo like shit doesn’t warrant him to be raped. Siwoo had no business raping someone while having a friend who’s a rape victim. Suha wouldn’t even want that.
All are rapists, but Dohyeok is more shitty in terms of personality.
If they can all end up together, I want Dohyeok to change somehow and end up with Siwoo.
Overall this story and the characters within are very toxic.
I personally don’t sympathize but I just can’t stand rape. It’s disgusting and inhumane. If anything, the rape or whatever punishment should’ve been done by the victim. Not the irrelevant people.
you have a great argument here i have to agree, it is true that rape is not the answer to everything. but i think you should remember that there is a difference between consensual-non-consensual (though i know that jiwoon never consented but let me finish first) and coercing someone to consent, the psychological impact on both the victims had from these “rapes”. jiwoon never minded it and was even more turned on upon finding it out and not to mention suha being aware that he had just assaulted his partner, jiwoon never consented but again, he never minded it therefore it can be classified as consensual-non-consensual. whereas we have dohyeok whom we know who loves to force suha into everything that only HE is into and we know how that affected suha. i agree that both are rape, but in my opinion the victim’s perspective is the most important issue here hence to why in real life people file cases (ik that it’s not the case for everyone since some victims are silenced.) rape is not the answer to everything, but in dohyeok’s case he just basically got the taste of his own medicine. we need to remember that he could not be easily changed and siwoo is aware of that that is to why he could never bring himself to admit that he liked the guy. AGAIN, even though he went through rape himself, he is still willing to put other people in danger by making them go through what HE went through. that’s why I in MY opinion, dohyeok deserves what he got and that is AS WHOLE not just the being raped part.
and if i’m being honest, i actually felt bad and sympathized for him during his panic attack episodes after the incident. but just one mention of suha’s name, all of it disappeared because what he went through, had suha doubled it down and went through worse. i really love suha and the people who care for him, if he had at least an a bit ounce of showing some guilt for what he did to suha then he COULD be redeemable. going through what you put your victims into is the best revenge for me so they would know how bad it feels to be on their shoes, but dohyeok on the other hand, despite going through all that he still never learned his lesson that’s why he got what he deserved
No, it’s still rape BECAUSE JIWOON DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL LATER. What do you mean he never minded it? He didn’t tell his partner to have sex while he’s asleep, that’s just wrong. He literally cannot consent while asleep. There is no consensual non con unless they talked about it beforehand and Suha and Jiwoon never did.
Just because Jiwoon is okay with it doesn’t mean it’s any less bad. Suha just got away with it cause that’s his partner and Jiwoon isn’t mentally well either.
Nobody deserves rape. Siwoo isn’t any less of a rapist.
And what chapter did Suha tell Jiwoon that he r worded him?
Well Dohyeok was raised to be a certain type of dude so I can’t fault him for that but yeah I don’t condone it. Still don’t think he should’ve gotten gang raped…
Obviously people won’t change overnight. That’s why revenge rape isn’t the solution, it may be satisfying to some fucked up ones but it isn’t the solution..
People just hate him more cause he’s shittier in personality but overlook the rapes from other characters. I personally hate the friends more for influencing him and also his blue haired “friend” beating Suha, but Dohyeok stopped him.
I’m not sure if I remembered right but Dohyeok never liked to lay his hands and even told his “friend” to stop that. He’s a strange character.
Although it was rape too, Suha wasn’t drugged and kidnapped if I remember correctly (or was he?). Either ways neither is equal nor right.
“did y’all collectively closed your eyes while reading the part where he treated siwoo like shit? ”
No but I don’t really care for Siwoo considering he became the same as Dohyeok— a Rapist.
I don’t have much sympathy for rapists regardless of their motives. Rape regardless of their intentions is NEVER RIGHT. Leave it to the victims, and others should stay out of it unless authorities.
Also let’s not forget Siwoo drugged Dohyeok and nearly made him overdose (I don’t remember how many pills he made him swallow). So yeah I don’t feel too bad.
Dohyeok even told him to leave him be and get out the hotel room. But Siwoo stayed and forced upon him. That’s on him. Threatening your rapists is actually what Suha should do, and Dohyeok did that to Siwoo.
Cops are almost never involved so I’m not even gonna count on them haha. Dohyeok is a rapist, Suha is a rapist, Jiwoon is a rapist, and Siwoo is a rapist.
Sorry for bunch of replies. I keep remembering what to add
it’s chapter 53! while yes, regardless, rape is rape. but my point here it already happened. like i said earlier, the victims perspective is the most important issue. secondly, if the rapist themself is guilty about it and is admitting to his crime. i’m pretty sure i said i agree with you that rape is not the answer to everything?
i’m gonna explain my point once again.
siwoo is a rapist, suha is a rapist, dohyeok is a rapist.
siwoo is out in the picture since we’re talking about suha and dohyeok.
both are criminals that committed rape.
what makes them redeemable?
suha is admitting to his crime and is guilty about it.
dohyeok on the other hand, is still willing to put other people on pedestal and is still not admitting that he did some psychological damages to suha.
both are in the wrong. but did both of them try to make it right? do you see my point now?
Well both have different upbringing and I see your point now, thank you so much for clarifying. I thought you were trying to excuse Suha’s rapist action.
I don’t think rapists can be redeemed because it’s a huge invasion of the human body…but since it’s fiction, sure I don’t mind it as much as I would in real life.
I just disagreed about the consensual-non consent you said, that didn’t happen. Like you said there was no consent from Jiwoon, so nothing consensual non consent. It’s just rape by itself.
Dohyeok is one of those people who grew up rich and arrogant as hell. Hopefully he grovels and changes, even 5% is a good start. If others can be redeemed, he sure as hell can. And maybe an apology to start off with. But I also want Siwoo to apologize at the very least. All rapists should apologize if they can’t be jailed.
I doubt Dohyeok would change so fast. Maybe some years of atoning/self reflecting. Idk how the author will make their side story but I’m eagerly waiting just so I can finally say goodbye to this story.
And because I’m a big fan of shitty bottoms (Dohyeok) aside from his cruel actions. Those arrogant bitch bottoms but then changes and regrets. Oh I love it.
i don’t particularly like dohyeok for siwoo, because i agree with you. they don’t work together since both are guilty. like you said “leave it to the victims”, while being a rapist yourself like dohyeok, that doesn’t erase the fact that he’s also a victim himself.
but being a victim himself doesn’t undo what he did to suha and many of his other victims. i think you are glazing dohyeok’s situation more so i’ll remind you the thing he did to suha.
-coerced him into sex
-coerced into orgys
-forced to top while being watched
and that’s not all i probably forgot some but that is during while they’re still in a relationship.
-tricked him into coming into a hotel basically blackmailing him by threatening to do something to suha’s friend if he didn’t come
-let suha get sexually and physically assaulted as he only watched the things unravel and even sent the picture to jiwoon whom he knows is into suha
-drugged jiwoon and sent some men to allegedly rape jiwoon
-forced siwoo under his radar by threatening to put his workers in his group’s gang rape orgy.
and that is still not all yet he’s already broken up with suha during all that
he’s a bad person who experienced what HIS victims experienced because of him and i think it’s deserving so he could at least change for the better but doesn’t seem to work on him making him unredeemable in my opinion.
I honestly don’t care about Dohyeok being raped too much nor with Suha or Jiwoon. BL has desensitized me too much. But I will not condone it either ways, I just don’t react much, it’s not a shock factor.
I agree that being a victim doesn’t undo what he did. That’s why I’m saying Dohyeok should grovel and regret, I think he also deserves revenge but not raping his “friends” back of course, make them starve to death or something other than rape. Cause to me, if you’re a victim and then do revenge rape, you become the rapist too.
I’m aware of what he did. I still don’t think he deserved revenge rape by Siwoo nor his “friends”. I’d be much more satisfied with the revenge had it been from Suha’s order or Jiwoon.
If people want to bring up about rape, they should bring up all the characters (except side). Dohyeok is more intense due to his arrogant and immature upbringing, he also is competitive with Jiwoon so that just fueled him more.
Again, I do not think what he got was a solution. Still became a rapist. Funny enough, Siwoo was innocent of crimes but then became a rapist. For Dohyeok, it’s a rapist to victim, but as you said, he can’t undo his pasts.
That’s why I do hope he grovels. He sincerely apologized and feels somewhat of remorse. I don’t mind him and Siwoo ending up together, but I wouldn’t want him to be with the other if he doesn’t change.
thank you for clarifying too! i worded it wrong but thank you for seeing and understanding my point. and you saying that you like dohyeok made you defending him make so much sense now
but to each their own!
all of the characters in this manhwa are all morally grey except for suha in my opinion. he is the only character capable of accepting his mistakes and apologizing. i’ve been reading for years now so i’ve known how to like characters from their actions, rape is a common trope in the yaoi community apparently so i’ve found my way to nitpick what to like and not to like, including the shitty characters.
while i myself likes some questionable characters, dohyeok could never be one of them since he doesn’t have any ounce of guilt for what he did to suha and suha’s the reason why i love this series that’s probably why i hate dohyeok so much. no one deserves to go through what suha did, despite their relationship already being over dohyeok continued to haunt him so i can never really like him.
he truly got what he deserved in my opinion. my point will continue to stand unless the author actually somewhat makes dohyeok redeemable, and when that happens i think we can all finally rest peacefully.
I don’t think raping your rapist is gonna make them nicer
I don’t like Dohyeok, I like personalities like his (but not to the rape part) where the bottoms are arrogant and stuck up and bossy/kind of cruel, but then they regret and grovel, getting karma in some form.
I don’t think I ever justified his actions, so I did not defend him in any way. Did I explain? Yes. I think Dohyeok is just too prideful for his own good to admit his wrongdoings.
I doubt the author will make him “redeemable”. Like I said, rapists are never redeemable, but since it’s fiction, sure to some extent.
I wouldn’t have minded the rape revenge as much if it was actually ordered by Suha, the victim. But those friends are literally the ones who hurt Suha, and influenced Dohyeok’s actions (including drug), so I detest those “friends” more.
In fact I didn’t mind Siwoo raping Dohyeok as much as I did with his “friends”.
I’m a big fan of morally gray characters. As for Suha, yes I can say he’s more of the better ones aside from some actions, he’s good in personality too.
Also I don’t think he’ll regret right away or maybe he did, but I haven’t seen much of his thoughts or whole POV to judge fully. Hopefully in his side story that’s coming, we will see his thoughts more and if he ever feels remorse.
Then he’d be somewhat redeemable for some but for me, I can never redeem him, I detest rapists , the most I can do is explain it but never condone it.
thank you so much for discussing your opinion with me! i completely understand your point and agrees with you— well at least partly.
i think you’re right that if someone needs a revenge it should be from the victim themselves and rape is not the answer to everything.
though knowing suha, i’m pretty sure he would NEVER do something like that he’d rather not associate himself with the likes of dohyeok.
while i do agree with you, my point still stands! one thing is better than nothing. i would much prefer the storyline the author went for rather than dohyeok not facing the consequences of his actions. him being sent of to the states, siwoo rejecting him, and being left alone all by himself. he truly got what he deserves for me. if he’s not willing to change he is better of alone.
again, thank you for expressing your opinions! while i do in fact hate him, despite all the things he’s done he’s still a victim xp
Of course, your opinion is as valid as any opinions. I personally felt nauseated by that gang rape so I don’t feel satisfied with it or anything. Even if it’s revenge from Suha, it doesn’t have to be rape, it can be anything else. I don’t think Suha is that innocent or a saint, no I think what I’m trying to say is that Suha isn’t incapable of hurting another.
So I do wish he would’ve been the one to do it, but as you said, he wouldn’t want to associate with Dohyeok. So I wonder how Dohyeok’s apology is gonna go. That’s if he even chooses to apologize.
One can be a victim and a rapist so there’s that.
Thank you to you as well for being polite.
i think you misunderstood? it’s not about making them nicer
Oh my bad. You kept saying he should change or something, so I thought it was connected to that. I just doubt that Dohyeok would change overnight, I think you meant to say he’d feel somewhat of remorse after going through the same thing??
If so, yeah I agree. But again, he’s weird and knowing his prideful character, I realllly doubt he’d do a 180 and be like: “Oh I’m so sorry, so this is what they went through—“ no, he’s too prideful to admit and that’s what makes him bad.
no? i think you misunderstood?
dohyeok and nice could never be in the same category, i’m afraid.
it is not to make him nicer. to experience what someone else went through, it is one of the ways to broaden someone’s understanding. dohyeok experiencing what suha went through MIGHT make him remorseful or at least understand that what he did to suha is WRONG which doesn’t seem to be the case at all to him since dohyeok’s rotten to the core?
seeing from something elses perspective; going through the same thing as them can or may make them understand what that person is going through or went through. it’s as simple as that
SORRY i didn’t know that i doubled my reply LOL
i agree w u, all i want is for him to apologize honestly.
but like my point is, despite going through it he still hasn’t changed A BIT
i keep repeating this part i’m sorry but please remember that despite being gang raped, he still threatened and planned siwoo’s employees from his bar that he would use them as a material for his group’s gang rape orgy
ik that you can’t change a man overnight but except going through all that he’s still willing to do it to other people which just makes him so much more hateful for me.
I think author meant it this way. Some people will just never change and if they do, it’s very little lol.
I doubt he’d do that considering he went through the same shit and he knows how traumatizing it was, he even threw up while doing it with Siwoo.
He just can’t admit it. He loves to threaten and bluff.
I see your point tho
Lmao no it’s fine, manfago does this sometimes
i don’t think it’s just a threat considering that he actually planned and tried to do something to siwoo’s family company, but we never know
though you’re right the author probably meant it that way which makes it better in my opinion, i really like how the author wrote and went with this story, from the main plot to the side stories. i think it’s a good psychological manhwa or pretty decent at least to some people.
thank you so much for being nice usually people would go off and lash out rather than hearing someone elses opinion considering that not all opinions are right. also the fact that we actually both agreed and disagreed but still respected each other’s. i love you so much please don’t die
he’s a man child y’all, i don’t hate him but i also don’t like him. ik that minchan probably doesn’t even mind it that much but i’m mad in his stead because of the seme continuously invalidating him. minchan was literally forced to be with him because bihwan binded their souls together and now it’s his responsibility to restore the memories despite the seme literally not accepting him for who he is as a person now, and i also know that bihwan is just confused because he was imprisoned for years but it’s still literally not minchan’s responsibility because he’s now minchan and not seoho. i could never see the seme being ACTUALLY in love with minchan i think in the future the only way for bihwan to be in love with minchan is through seoho because he sees the two from each other but we never know
I understand where you’re coming from but you gotta have some more nuance when it comes to our goblin ML. Bihwan immediately accepting Minchan as his own person wouldn’t make sense either, not only does Minchan have Seoho face but Bihwan has said mulitple times that he can smell his literal soul. Our man is flawed(hopefully he goes through character development)
it’s not rare to feel this type of rage for someone who reads yaoi since 90% of the contents in that tag has toxic male leads and this male lead is not an exception. JESUS CHRIST. this asshole reminds me of seungho and they both had the nerve to lift a hand on their “partners” i better not see the male lead and sihyeon same w nakyum and seungho in the future chapters because in sihyeon’s stead, I COULD NEVER FORGIVE HIM. nakyum was unfortunate enough so i hope sihyeon lives a better life away from his perpetrators in the future because what the fuck is this has he not suffered enough?
preach!!! electric chair is the only place he belongs
anyways i know we hate gwonryeom but can we talk about his characters design… i genuinely fucking love this author and i’ve decided that since the day i read the chapter where bihwan “couldn’t see” yellow dude’s face because he said something along the lines of “only the ones who are permitted can see my face” meaning that he has possibly been lurking since like the joseon era and has gotten away with it because of his power. it’s so simple yet such a unique concept that you wouldn’t expect to see in a bl series; something you’d usually in shounen mangas.
anyways i fucking love minchan’s grandma and i think this chapter just explained how minchan turned the way he is right now! patient and has a strong sense of rationality.