
These spoilers giving me headache.
STUPPPP!!!!!
AND MY DUMB SELF WANT TO CLICK THAT '+' SIGN EVERY DAMN TIME!!!

It probably won't happen (hopefully) though it depends on the manga company and author (who could have changed their mind). Sex-ed back then and further would involve servants, apothecaries; or physicians (if I remember correctly) for males, not family members. Or maybe it did, (⊙…⊙ ). There is one I remember reading where an older male family member (father, uncle, or brother) would take the youngest to an whore house.

He is going and raping people? But it is OK because he is taking the dick.

All of you are brain dead people. You guys don't read for the plot but for the porn which is OK but saying I am wrong, what a bullshit.
WITHOUT CONSENT HAVING SEX IS BASICALLY RAPE. And he got the emperor drunk and without consent had sex and there is the wizard who literally pushing him. Just because there wasn’t physical harm doesn’t mean it is not a rape.

The people in these comments are a bunch of jackasses. "He only raped the prince and the wizard." WHAT?? He literally drugged and raped a random person not even knowing he was a prince. The wizard clearly didn't want to and forced him. What the fuck are you on?? Don't try to justify this shit because you want to get your rocks off

First of all, mercenary went to duke house hoping that he got a job as a "soldier". He even mentioned that. And, wizard didn’t even went to his house. They are the one who raided his house. And for the emperor, he was literally drunk and got raped.
Stop defending this whole shit. I am not even against you guys reading it. I am just pointing out how when uke rape no one talks about it but if it is opposite everyone gets offended which is weird!
I know you guys like rape thingy and you don't have to prove it in every comment. We got it, OKKK!!!!

Wow, he is trash through n through. I felt sad for him at first. Now, feel disgusted that I "felt sad" for him.

He didn't have any sexual interest in him though? That's not really grooming he's just a shitty person. Obviously he shouldn't be doing any of this and clearly wants to ruin his life but it still doesn't mean he deserves to be kidnapped and raped (of course we still don't know what he does after this though)
Just to be clear I don't care about either of these characters and am not emotionally invested in this fictional story at all but still don't think he deserves what happened to him.

You don't have to be sexually attracted to someone to groom them.
It's like how you don't have to be sexually attracted to someone to rape them.
It's about power and control for abusers. What Raymon went through before meeting young Winter was fucked, but he knew there was something deeply wrong with the kid and proceeded to abuse him and expose him to sexual violence whether willingly or not.
During this flashback he's mad that Winter isn't reacting the way he wanted him to 'cause he thought it'd be entertaining watching someone break and fall deeper into despair than he currently was. Raymon wanted to hurt someone more fragile than himself. Push him past the boundaries and really break Winter.
Well, he got what he wanted in the end. Winter broke in the worst way imaginable and now Raymon is reaping the seed he had sown himself all those years ago. I feel no sympathy for him treating someone so young and traumatized like that.
Ya'll are only combating what is happening now to Raymon as "but rape bad" when what he did to Winter was astronomically worse. Winter was robbed of having a normal life before he ever met Raymon, and he's the one that made sure he never will.

It's 'cause most people deem what is wrong or not based on their own flimsy beliefs instead of looking at it from an objective pov.
They see Winter rape and confine Raymon and think nothing can excuse that. Even tho Ray groomed and abused tf out of Winter when he was younger and clearly vulnerable. Raymon knew something was wrong with Winter from the first time he saw him and planned to ruin him even further. He wanted there to be someone more miserable than him and he used his own hands to do so.
Tbh, as a victim of csa and a couple other incidents, if I found out any of my abusers were raped I'd probably give a standing ovation and drink a glass of wine to it.
Raymon is only suffering the consequences of his own actions. If he had just left Winter alone and sought help they could've had a clandestine meeting where Raymon could help Winter recover from his own trauma. I have no sympathy for him.

Why does Aeroc like him?
I don’t really understand....
I know in previous timeline Aeroc loved him to death and did bad things and got punished 100x more for that. If I was Aeroc in this timeline, either I would get my revenge on all the people who made my life shitty and took my kids. Specially that maid (she annoy the fuck out me). Or, I would simply left after remembering those traumatized past. At least I wouldn’t enjoy having sex with the person who raped me countless time in the past and made me into breeding machine.

What? Are we reading the same thing?
Aeroc remember his past (the first timeline)
That is why I said I would run away the moment I regain first timeline memories and ran away if I was him. Because this shit is traumatizing.
If they both didn’t have Memories, I wouldn't say this. Even though ML kinda raped in last few chapters.

remember in the first timeline that aeroc(1) was deeply in love with kloff and felt deep remorse for what he did to rapiel. so all the suffering he went through at the hands of kloff(1), he believed he deserved it as retribution for harming rapiel and ruining their marriage. i believe he felt conflicted by the fact that he desired kloff but also felt undeserving of him for his actions(rapiel dying) and believed that the only way he could get intimate with kloff(1) was thru kloff’s violent sexual desire for him. that’s why imo he didny really put that much off a fight (captivity aside) when his children were taken away from him. because he kinda felt that was his penance to rapiel. his death in first timeline was poignant. so when he was given the second chance, he didn’t want to repeat the same mistakes that would lead kloff(2) to turn into the same terrifying man as kloff(1). he felt that THIS was the opportunity to actually redeem himself from his sins in timeline(1) and the way to do that was not to infere with kloff’s and rapiel’s relationship and even go as far as to help them despite still being irrevocably in love with kloff. of course i think he felt hurt by what happened to him in timeline(1) but the narrative isn’t a revenge-plot but more of a fix-it plot. he wants to fix the first timeline in timeline(2) to prevent both his financial downfall and rapiel’s suffering. and the characters in tl(2) haven’t caused harm yet so can you try to punish someone who hasn’t harm you and who only harmed you as retaliation for you actions? not really. kloff(2) wouldn’t hurt him because he(aeroc(2)) hasn’t done anything that warrant kloff’s detestation. the maids dislike for him in timeline(1) is because she knew of how he harmed rapiel and kloff’s hatred for him. she can’t hate him now because she has not incentive to. and it would be a bit absurd to try and punish someone for action they committed in their past life. idk this is just my opinion.

Yes, I know what you are talking about. It is just my POV because 1st of all, I just hate Kloff. He really disgust me. And Second, I could never go back to him if I was Aeroc. This is really traumatizing. Even if you love someone to death and they did worse thing (I mean come on Aeroc deserve punishment but not this extend), I could never go back to them.
And for the revenge part, it is just me. My anger issue won't let anyone who torture me in my previous life let in peace. I would stab them the moment I regain memory (and even if they didn't do anything YET doesn’t mean they wouldn’t do it, because a person's nature never change, NEVER)

you’re right. it’s just YOU. you’re not the character. aeroc is aeroc and you are you. that’s why you have your own opinions of how you’d respond to the situation if you were the titular character of the narrative. aeroc’s characterisation isn’t based on you. you’re allowed to have certain sentiments regarding certain characters. you’re allowed to dislike their actions and feel anger and disappointment towards them. i was just explaining to WHY (based on the plot lines so far) aeroc doesn’t act the way you were expecting him to. he is written to act that way. it’s part of character.
I can't really Understand his character. At first the author showed him as someone who is jealous of MC because his father loved him and gave everything but MC left this mafia work and tried to be a normal person. I thought he is someone who admired MC's father but now he is showing himself as a disgustingly greedy person.
I thought he wanted to make MC's lyf hard so he realize he belongs to that place not among normal people. But I guess I am wrong.
He's just fucking bipolar atp
Honestly? Your idea is better than whatever is going on right now
Yeah the villain is weird af