imsogay's Topics (39)

genocide of creature that threaten your own survival is not wrong . . and demons not only eat humans but hunt them for entertamint , they enjoy torturing humans for joy , I got no sympathy for them or the little demons cuz they same as the adult demons all eat humans not for survival but for maintaning intellegance humonid look , they can eat other animals but they choose to eat humans .

We do the same to animals and not onnly threaten their survival we also hunt animals to extinction. so we should also kill all the human by that logic

well from animal point of veiw we humans are devils but we also try to protect and form laws to protect animal rights , and if you have not notice it humans are more intellegent then all creatures we not really like most animals who only eat and do nothing productive , so in way it survival of fitest and it just happen to be us , until another creature evolve enough to create threaten to human survival we gonna have to maybe genocide it , just like how we try to get ride of bacteria and virus that cause epidemocs and kill hundrends of people in seconds , we humans do not think of bacteria survive we try to kill it all

When we seek to exterminate the bacteria that cause plagues, is that wrong? It's a type of genocide. We are trying to kill what kills us. That's how NOrman is thinking. Demons may have good reason to want human flesh, but humans can't accept that. It's not a situation where compromise can work. Demons will have to fundamentally alter themselves to not want to eat humans and not need to....and how to do that?

If it's a choice between what kills you and living, you kill what kills you.

Then again, all humans should die because we kill animals for fun, for money, for food when we don't need too. We have killed entire species of animals without need. It's exactly the same thing of what demons are doing.

But bacteria don't have families, don't have feelings, and they only bring bad things. There are a lot of demons like Musicaa, demons with families, etc.

And what if pigs or cows begin to think like us and rebel against human, should we just be killed then?

If animals could kill us and take over, they probably would. Animals don't stop to think if that squirrel or fish or gazelle want to be killed. They kill and eat. They have no conscience about it. Lions don't agonize over the fate of their prey, just like these demons don't agonize over it, even if their prey are able to speak, think, and even desire freedom. Of course, the issue here is between humans and demons--beings with intellect, able to build, create and imagine, and if you think a pig or chicken is on the same level as a human, then we have nowhere for this discussion. :)

Actually, have we established that these demons would have intellect and all that if they didn't eat humans? Seems they need to eat human brains to absorb human smarts and etc.

But you're generalizing. Not all of them are like that. Musica helped them and befriended them, so it shows they can coexist.

Demons also have families to protect just like humans. Just because a group of people does something wrong doesn't mean everyone should be categorized into the same criteria.

There's people who do wrong stuff and the whole country as assume the consequences for it, so your supporting that idea by killing all the demons without exception even the ones who only want to live happily with their families.

Well and Musica can survive without eating humans and can help others do it.

And Norman and his team is doing the same as a wild animal or as the demons, torturing them, eat them, studying them. You can't fight fire with fire

Musica did. But her companion wanted to eat human flesh again. :)

And if there was a group of people whose ideals are to eat humans, and were willing to raise humans like cattle to eat them, yeah, I'd want them off the face of the earth. I think you'd be dishonest to say you'd be happy to have them keep growing, thriving, and hankering after the flesh of your children.

In this story, I assume the author finds a way for coexistence between humans and non-human-eating-vow-takers of demons. But what about the ones who don't take the vow and who insist on hunting humans? Just let them eat?

Norman has been warped by what he's gone through...and he's not the only one PTSD is evident in that group of his.

I think they should make a law, they coexist and if a demon after that eats humans than he should br punish.

Most demons eat humans, but you don't know every single one of them. Maybe some of them are against it, maybe some only want to live with their families. You don't know all the demons to put them in the same bag, that's why you shouldn't kill them all.

The ones who eat humans, would have to just deal with it. They had to restrain themselves.

And if Norman is not mentally stable, he should never be behind an operation like this.

Well, he acts stable in front of folks. We see more than everybody does.
And if we know demons have a desire and NEED (they need human flesh to maintain form), it's going to be a very brittle situation. If you know your neighbor is bigger, stronger than you, and wants to eat you--how peaceful will you feel? They'll have to either find a way to separate worlds (one for demons and one for humans, and demons will not let go of having form and intellect easily), or find a way to let demons have form without eating humans. Either way will require a scientific breakthrough.

This is not a simple situation. It's not just an argument over land/resources. It's like saying we have to coexist with Ebola and too bad if humans bleed to death. Unless you find a way to neutralize Ebola so it is not deadly, there is no coexistence. You find a way to wipe it out.

But a virus and the demons it's completely different. Only some humans arr affected by the demons, not all of them.

The demons can survive without eating humans, so they just have to accept it even if they live in different worlds.

If there's a option that doesn't envolve killing an entire species, that they should follow that.

Demons are like us, they have feelings, they have families, they have societies. So we shouldn't kill all of them, that's just wrong.

And Norman before he can do anything, he needs help because just because he acts stable doesn't mean he is stable. Humans are no better than demons if they treat demons the same way demons treat humans.

The story has established that the demons are evolved bacteria who cannot remain in form with intellect without eating humans. So, that means, without eating humans, at least most will devolve back into some rudimentary demonic form. The question is: why do some hold their form without eating humans, the key being there.

I'd rather the peaceful demons not be killed. But when you were forced to do the things Norman was forced to, and have seen the things Norman has seen (which the others of his companions have not), his reaction is normal. He's the one getting things done. Without what he has done, his friends would already be dead.

Demons can survive with Musica's blood. If they can get her to help or even if they take the blood from people she already gave blood to, they don't need to eat humans to keep their forms.

Norman isn't mentally stable after everything he saw and before he plans genocide, he should get some help. Exactly because of what he saw and was forced to do, he shouldn't be leading a rebellion.

norman is very mentally stable , if he was claim after what happen to him that would be very weired , also no demons do not want to stop hunting and eating humans , even after they drink musica blood they would still want more like the demon who was with her .

Norman is not okay, It hurts me so much to see him lime this. Musica doesn't want to eat humans or hunt them and do you know every single one of the demons to know if they all want to eat humans or hunt them?

Demons also have families and kids, demons who did nothing wrong because to them eating humans is like us humans eating meat.

Every demon we saw wants to eat humans, except MAYBE Musica. That she does not do it due to a "religion" is different than wanting to do it. It's like Christians or Muslims have "religious" rules against adultery, and guess what? Many still do it. Desire overpowers religious teaching. So, we do not know for a fact there are any demons who don't WANT to eat human flesh. What we know is the vast majority want to and DO.

Our meat doesn't build cities, write poetry, express clear emotion, and create religion. Humans do. Humans can clearly tell demons they are in pain, they are afraid, and they wish to live. So, demons deceive them for purposes of keeping them calm and contained and healthy so they get to eat prime meat.

If cows and pigs had speech and intellect to express a desire to create, build, and live, I guaranee we would be less inclined to eat them. Even now, there are many humans who will not eat any animal flesh due to conviction. And yet many now and then do, even if 95% or 99% of the time they don't. They can be healthy withoyut it. But demons, from what we've seen, need human brains for superior functioning.

If humans degenerated into sickness without meat, guess what? They'd eat meat or turn into thoughless, useless blobs. It's because we can eat non-meat foods and be well (with supplements, since vegans can have issues with DHA and B12 deficiencies and need supplements or foods with those).

If they hadn't eaten humans, they would not have families and societies. The reason they function like that is FROM eating humans.

Exactly because they ate humans they became like us. They have families they want to protect, they have feelings, most one of them eat humans like we eat meat.

We wouldn't kill other humans for surviving. Imagine a group of people get stuck in a island without food, so they have to start eating each other to survive, the ones that survive in the end would you blame them from what happened? They had no choice.

Common people don't directly kill the animals we eat but everyone knows how much pain animals go through before and when they're killed but we still support those actions. We still eat meat even tho we know what the animals go through on those factories.

You can't put all demons on the same label, without knowing all of them. There must be demons that are against eating humans, like there are vegetarian people. Or like vegans they could find a replacement for humans, something created from Musica's blood

Like humans, not all of them share the same opinions or support the same things

do i know everyone of the nazis white supermist kkk isis?? answer is no I don't but knowing their ideology and risk they hold is enough for me to fear them and want protect myself and those who I love from them enough for me to not even take any risk .

That's completely different, they don't need to be terrible people to survive. But demons do, demons are only trying to survive, most of them are like us and not terrible humans, if you can even call nazis, etc., humans.

Based on what you said, that humans would less inclined to eat cows if they shows any signs of intelligence to built homes and express their feelings. Well, imagine this: maybe there REALLY are cows like that, but since they only served for elites like presidents and gods, how could we know such cows exist? Imagine those intelligent cows escaping and meeting fellow intelligent cows and PLOTTING to massacre human so they can live freely.

In this story, the majority of common demons (whose train of thoughts are yet to be revealed) only know human meat from the mass-production factory, that are lifeless, thoughtless, feelingless. Demons also has structural society that is ruled by a bunch of elite that are the only ones fully aware that intelligent human exist and enjoy killing them. Can you still say "KILL THOSE CLUELESS DEMONS!!" for the fault of their FEW cruel elites?

you clearly do not know anyyhing abouy nazis and how they started and then how everyone in germany were forced to join them or put in camps like how north koreans now are , nazis had normal people as well who only jooned nazi ruling party so they can survive and for their families to be spared , they were good people but in war when people fought against them they didn't say no let good nazis go their some good nazis , all nazis were condemded and irradicated and right now anyone who want to express nazi ideologies is being threated as threat and investigated , same for isis , do you think normal citizens in isis controlled areas were left alone or were they forced to submit to isis laws or they would not be left alone or spared , but when the national defence army fought they killed everyone the good and bad cuz they wanted to gain the control of area back , this is reality .

You are not getting my point. If they don't eat humans, they lose their intellect and form....they must continue eating humans. Again, unless a way is found around that. How do you coexist if they MUST eat you to remain "families" and not revert to mindless bacteroid demon-beings?

Well, I'd be out for both revenge and destruction, except for those who had already given up eating human flesh. I wouldn't weep much over it.

You know that most of the meat you eat is made in factories just like those kids are in. Most of the meat you eat the animals are die, raped, and live their whole lifes laying down, if you can call that okay.

I'm not saying they are clueless, I'm jist saying that like most of us, commom demons just want to survive and live with their families. Of that's wrong then us eating meat is also wrong.

You're right. Then we should also throw a atomic bomb at the demons and kill every family, every kid, every family who lives there so they learn the lesson. Fuck doing the right thing because even babies, who have no clue of what's going on, are guilty.

But if they tried, they could try to create a substitute for human meat with Musica's blood.

My point is that you shouldn't kill everyone just for revenge or without knowing them, ir makes you no better than the demons. There's some demons who just want to survive and live happily, who have nothing to do for the elites. You don't know everyone single demon to give them all the same label. Maybe there's more demons like Musica.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i get the impression that you missed the point of my last comment.

I was talking about how the common demons MAYBE don't have any clue that human is as intelligent as they are, (heck maybe they themself don't know what will happen if they don't eat human meat) therefore they (JUST LIKE US eating meat) doesn't see it as inhumane or cruel to continue eating the mass-produced human meat.

my point is, maybe the common demons are clueless and innocent, unlike the cruel top-of-society demons they meet so far. that's what i get from the story.

I won't talk about how our meat were treated since it's out of topic here.

You still miss my point: They could not have BECOME like us without eating humans, and apparently most will degenerate (not hold form) if they stop eating us. In other words, how do you solve that fundamental issue? The ones that want to maintain form and intellect are not going to stop eating humans. Vegetarians do not lose intellect or form by not eating meat. It's a choice, not a necessity.

If they can solve that desire and need to eat meat, fine. But I'd not be very optimistic.

Just look at all the vegetarians who make little excuses to have some meat or eggs or cheese now and then. Who eat fish and think that's okay. Or who stopped being vegetarians. It's not always easy to radically shift a way of being.

I'm sorry, that's exactly my point. I thought you were saying something else. I'm sorry.

I get, they can make something from Musica's blood with demon's blood and try to find something that can replace it.

Actually vegetarians can eat eggs and cheese, only vegans can't.

ovo-lacto vegetarians eat dairy and eggs. I tried that for a while. I tried raw vegan, too.

That's a good point, but I'm not completely sure they are unaware. Can you point to a chapter?

I'm afraid their cluelessness is still an assumption until proven wrong.

From the time Emma disguise herself as a demon in a demon market, the scene right there is important, because the way human meat is distributed among the common demons is no different than how we buy our meat. From there, I cannot see the demons as merely a bad species, there's good demons as well, just like human in general (we have bad human too, right?).

For me, there's no way a mangaka that's able to create a story like this, making the characters black and white, good and bad. That's why, we already have:
bad demons fully aware of the situation (those elite demons, farmer, & their minion)
good humans fully unaware (cattle children & human world)
good humans fully aware (Emma & co)
good demons fully aware (Musica)
bad humans fully aware (ratri clan)
wild demons (neither bad or good, just instinct)

yet to be known (except maybe known only to Emma as the only human ever walk in a demon town and the only human sensible enough to observe them objectivelly):
good demons fully unaware

Humans who buy meat in a market still know what pigs, cows, chickens, etc are like. We know what these animals are like. I'd need proof they don't know humans are fully sentient.

And, btw, that's not to say that the theory is not correct. :) I'm assuming that it would make heroes villains to kill those who assisted them without an attempt to find a truce, a way to coexist. What I'm saying is that those who have been raised as meat, who have had intense losses, I understand desire to obliterate and avenge. Because they only see they are in danger. They are to be eaten.

And in a way Norman is right: If he didn't have his assasins, Emma would now be dead. They rescued them. They'd be in a demon belly by now without his assasins. And his sole mission is to save HIS OWN...his family. He doesn't really give much of a shit about much beyond that. It's sort of like a mother who has had half her children killed by a ruthless enemy, and cannot see "gray." All they see is: I will do what I must to keep what children I have left alive. If that means I kill everyone who is a threat and demons= threat, then demons must go.

That mentality given what he went through (even after leaving the house) in order to survive is understandable. It will take Emma et al to help Norma find "the other way" if it exists (it's a heroic journey, so I assume it must exist, hence the helpful demons). Dramatically, Norman is the one who can only see one way, but may be the one who can facilitate the other way (ie, through his genius).

But do I get the reasoning "kill all the human-eaters." Shit, yeah.

Oh my, that's it. Sentient. I knew there's a better term, but can't recall what it was. Thank you for bringing it up (￣∇￣")

I totally understand Norman's POV. It's easier to understand Emma's POV since we follow her story all along. It's just a matter of time before we get more information on what Norman had been through after his delivery and get a better understanding on his present character.

The conflict between them is just Emma did not experienced/saw what Norman did and vice versa. Though in the latest chapter it seems Norman kinda convinced by Emma's way of thinking but shortly back on his feet and remember that there's something that already started and has to be done (for both his first and second family). But the conflict inside him kinda clear for a moment there.

As long as the story is still continue, we can only assume this and that. But, one thing I will never agree or understand is genocide.

With humans, I certainly don't undertsand genocide. But if there is something that raises me for food, screw them.

Musica can only help to stop their hunger, but how about their desire? Like humans, some were once vegetarians, but then later become meat-eaters, because meats are tasty.

Then we should also kill all the humans that eat meat and practice genocide.

I meant that he should practice genocide and kill everyone that eats meat

Noooooooooo ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

can you not fricking spoil peoples in the comments !!!

Sorry, I forgot it shows also in the main page of the manga.

no problem