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I personally like this more tbh

They stripped the whole thing that made this story what it is and only left a summarization of what happened and they even took out core pieces of the characters' development out

The novel ending was BORING

And what's happening right now is a fucking summary

Personally, I LIKED that the novel ending was like that
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Tho, it doesn't satisfy our craving for an eye for an eye,
I find it very interesting that FL chose to, essentially, wash her hands off the entire thing so that she can focus all her efforts in developing their fief and building her own family there -> that uncomfortable maturity that we sometimes have to do as adults

I also liked how the main villain gets "destroyed" w/o needing any intervention from the main couple and is brought down by her own actions -> a rare occurence in rofan
'Coz it shows how she was so deluded & arrogant that she didn't to be intentionally brought down by someone else

Yeah, I just wish her mother didn’t get a happy ending. Otherwise, it was a satisfying story

Meant to like ;-;

I think you’re judging it too much by the standards we have right now. Well, this is a fantasy land that is meant to be way way way in the past where man I can have multiple wives and it’s expected that most of the wives after the first one which is usually arranged or Usually for political gain or because he likes them and wants to fuck them

Yeah..and it can NOT be that way. The author can TOTALLY make us like MC and ML without making us try to think about those unnecessary morally questionable bs, since, like you said, we're in the modern era and we have NEW moral standards. Yet here we are. Nathaniel is the original wife, so again, I will stand that his attitude is JUSTIFIED. No matter what era people have feelings, he's been with ML longer, slept with ML longer, had conversations with ML longer and IS in a RELATIONSHIP with ML longer. No matter what era three or more people CANNOT coexist within a relationship like this with a single person without feelings of negativity

Nah because even back then, queens would kill concubines their husbands get too attached to. They still had morals back then too.

Not saying that that’s not fine and I don’t get you and stuff like that. I might just not care because I know who he’s gonna end up with and how the story is gonna go anyways. Most likely going to be a short and very clear type Any relationship they had an arranged marriage as well. There was also convenient. He married him because he needed the baby and he couldn’t give it to him so he just got somebody else realistic. Doing it the only difference is that he’s actually in love this time meaning that they’re not in a relationship. The first two are not in a relationship. They were just arranged type of marriage marriage. This is forced type of arranged marriage. Don’t even know if he wanted that specific person, but I understand where you’re coming from and you’re saying the author shouldn’t make you think or whatever then just don’t read it anymore

But I do understand if you still want to read it to know where it goes

Exactlyyy

Arranged marriages are still marriages. Yes it is a type of relationship. Yes it is just as real and valid and holds up. Loyalty and respect and fulfillment of conjugal and marital duties is still expected from both parties.
Forced and arranged marriages are very different. Idk what kind of crack yall on. Most of y’all’s grandparents had arranged marriages.
Neglecting your marriage partner makes you a scum, unless they neglected their obligation towards you first, or are simply a displaceable person. Which we might find out later.
Anyways it’s a silly little fiction so I will read it.
It’s just that people can enjoy shit without needing to jump through hoops to justify actions that are clearly wrong. There’s no need to make out the king to be a good person when they’re not.

Personally I don’t care much about any of the characters. It’s all so silly and irl morals shouldn’t be applied to it. Neither to justify actions nor to judge them.
It’s an ”it is wat it is” type of fiction where there’s no point in comparing it to reality in the first place LOL

Preach preach preach

Precisely what I'm trying to say. You can create a story without your readers having to justify the icky morality of your characters by providing excuses for them

YES that what I meant

It's actually good that Cain didn't end up with Jooin anyway, Jooin's a two timing Bitch

I agree. Their relationship was painfully one sided with him always putting Jooin above his own emotional needs. Cain never saw his relationship with Jooin as that that should be of equals. He wished to forever serve Jooin and Jooin just didn't want that type of relationship. That is why Jooin up until the very end refused to accept the master title Cain was often forcing onto him.

I 100% agree w u on this

Tho I wish Jooin was left alone and didn't end up with neither of the Guys after he played with them

Real bro, literally all he did was whine around while dragging the whole story just to two time

Count me in

Me too

krista would have sexually assaulted henry if he wasn't resisting the potion so much. she was doing whatever she could to get henry to marry her and undermine navier's position even after being warned so she was indeed a threat. the rest of the family just snowballed after her

No like I get that. But what I don't like is the way everything was handled after. He KNOWS she'll commit suicide if he sets the right conditions and he wants that ending. He also didn't let her family go and continued to torment them afterwards albeit indirectly. I'm not saying that he's wrong for punishing her but this isn't the only reason why I started disliking him, many novel readers I know also feel icked by Heinry because he acts innocent and babied with Navier but in reality he's a manipulative controlling person. There are some things other characters wouldn't have done had he not triggered things, plus he's also extremely biased with their future kids. He doesn't like his son just because he doesn't look like Navier. Another thing is with Duke Ergi, they colluded so Rashta would continue to fuck up over and over again. Sure Rashta still acted upon them herself but there were a lot of times she was tricked and pushed into doing the wrong things even when some of her 'wrongs' could've been 'rights' had they stopped their relentless manipulation of her and just advised her properly

Don't get me wrong Heinry is a good husband, but he certainly is not a good person.

Also he approached Navier with intentions while she was still a MARRIED WOMAN, and sneaked into her room as a bird to sleep with her. It looked satisfying and romantic before but now its just weird

he definitely isn't a good person, but most romance manhwas these days have male leads with that type of act. manipulative and/or controlling and vengeful towards anyone who messes with them or the female lead so i don't judge him personally and see this more like a common trope of the genre. for sure, he could have handled things a lot better with Krista and her family, but I personally don't see him as particularly much more problematic than those other yandereish male leads...but i understand your point of view

I honestly started liking him more because of him not always being a good person. I feel like it makes him more human than anything, many mangas I’ve read the ml is always a good guy pretending to act all big and bad. But for him he reacts more humanly than anything (minus the torture ) how I see it is if he treats his wife and kid and civilians appropriately then I ain’t got no problems

Most Kings we know have done it worse though...and those people who went against that kind of King know the outcome of their actions. And yeah I support whatever ML is doing. If villains can do bad things, it just shows that he can do it worse....they shouldn't have started it.

But the thing is he does/n't . It's 50/50, he's good to Navier but he's also tricking her to believe he's this puppy archetype of a person and lies to her about certain things to get her to love him more, but it's not that harmful and I can let it pass. But something that icked me along with his cruelty is him as a father, he showed lots of signs of favoring his daughter over his son and he (along with Navier) barely provided them with proper guidance concerning their futures and ambitions

I understand that but as a reader there's this one thing my brain abides to, if the main characters take too little revenge for what they've suffered I feel that they're too lenient and get disillusioned, but if they take too much revenge for how much they suffered I feel like they're going overboard and start feeling for the villains, and for me Heinry is the latter. I get it, they fucked up, but at the same time they didn't fuck up SO MUCH that it warrants Heinry tormenting everyone in her family and kicking them while they're already down

Thinking back on it if he didn't manipulate the situation so that Krista would kill herself and just executed (like what he wanted to do) her fairly like a normal human being instead of barricading her in a fucking house with no way out and mentally fucking with her by using that indirect torture + his leverage of her family, the brother wouldn't have gone batshit crazy about his one and only sister he loved who he thought died for other reasons and Navier probably wouldn't have gotten caught up in it either

Same, I like imperfect characters just like people.
Like damn, he IS a king you know......and a good one, definitely NOT a tyrant or abuser, he's a smart man that knows his ways around politics.

I draw my line at saying someone is pitiful or a good person when they ATTEMPT SEXUAL ASSAULT like his sister in law

I don't know how people want him to act He IS a king, He is not supposed to go forgiving people and giving them passes left and right

No opinion here, but I gotta say this is the most detailed and peaceful discussion of opinions I’ve seen on any comment section and I’m all for it. Love to hear all sides.

Don’t forget that Niver didn’t know at the time before she was married to him that he was the bird, she thought that it was just a Plan old messenger bird and don’t forget that Henry is from a clan too the birdbrains

Yeah Navier has no fault in it at all but in Heinry's part, getting close to a married woman knowingly in your bird form is kindaaa

Ik that, I'm not judging him based on his abilities as a king but my feelings and views about him as a reader

Like I said before in one of my previous replies my brain abides to this thing "if the main characters take too little revenge for what they've suffered I feel that they're too lenient and get disillusioned, but if they take too much revenge for how much they suffered I feel like they're going overboard", I never said that he should just let the act pass, he definitely should've punished Krista bc if Krista did succeed even if it's just sowing misunderstanding there definitely would've been an impact in his reputation. I'm not icked because he punished them, I'm icked about the WAY he punished them + some other things I've already mentioned. I agree imperfect characters are nice, but I'm starting to get more and more disillusioned with Heinry, had they made the villains less morally grey and not just people who just did the things they did because they want to hold on or survive maybe I wouldn't have minded too much

I get were your going with it but also don’t forget that Niver has no knowledge of what he is doing behind her back as in his other personality she only only knows the sweet and kind Heinry and the bird Heinry after she got married

Yeah, I don't have anything against Navier at all lol just Heinry

let's not overestimate his cute act or underestimate navier's wit... the same way navier discovered about the western kingdom's plan to wipe the eastern kingdom's mages and that henry was planning a war, she's not fooled by his cutesy act. She might not know everything he did to krista's family in detail, but she knows he is ruthless. She KNOWS who she is dealing with. sovieshit was just like that too and navier was fine with it. she just needed someone who she could trust to be her partner. someone she could trust to not betray her.

Yeah but like, I'm not Navier, like good for her but I still feel the same way about Heinry BC he's done quite a few things that icked me quite a bit

yea, you have a good reason, i'm not judging you fr... i was just replying that comment from user star moon because we can't say navier is completely clueless in this whole thing. she's aware even if she doesn't know the details

Yepp

She always finds out one way or another of what goes on around her

The author clearly made him this way for a reason maybe it was to show not all ml are goodie tissues or maybe they wanted to show that even ml’s have bad sides/flaws, idk tbh I don’t really care navier is smart if she doesn’t want to be with him anymore I’m sure she would divorce him just like she did with the other guy, or at least she seems pretty calculated to me, I’m just saying I’d prefer a ml like this than a ml that doesn’t have any flaws or is always doing the “right thing”

I don’t feel sorry for them, they hurt Navier who had nothing to do with the situation. Trying to kill a pregnant woman was taking things a step too far even for Heinry