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But then again he said that "he could switch"

... where....? what??

Did I miss something?

yeah i think you missed something.. i think it was in the last 10 pages.. its somewhere there HAHAHAHAHA

Oh...I wasn't talking about that part, I was talking about the part where he said he would have felt like he'd "lose something as a man if i let him take me", whether or not they become seke (I SO wish they would, pretty sure 80% of us would (๑•ㅂ•)و✧), it's really degrading to the uke, any uke, because he basically said that to be taken is to lose something of your manhood, which is wrong, and archaic and it makes me sad. So I wish he hadn't had that thought, it just takes away from their relationship, for me anyway, it might not impact your take away from the story at all ╮(￣▽￣)╭

OMG yes, I thought the same. It was really good, so good, and then that line came and BAM....the magic is broken, and it became from a 5 star to a 3 for me.

as a man myself i can actually understand the situation of the both sides because most men (like me, cause im straight) don't really like to be the one who is being taken control, so its like we have that pride that we must be that person who satisfies the one that you love (whether it would be heterosexual or homosexual) cause if you really do put it that way.. it really is like your manhood is somewhat.. not really obliterated but you feel like that you are losing something that you value.? so its like the typical ego of a men specially for me .but for the uke's.. it's not that they are losing their manhood because they want to be in the passive side, well actually they are not losing anything, .. but if you think about us (straight men, or tops) it is our ego to be the one to make the person moan ( which is a bad thing anyway , but how would i know im not in that kind of a relationship)dont get me wrong, i know that a man isn't always on top but is supposed to be the one who will provide for the family, or is the one who has pride for being a man and standing up for yourself(so gender isn't really the issue here, because there are more gay people that are more manly than straights) but what i am trying to say is that, its just really our ego of a man like me to be the one who will satisfy someone, so i somewhat respect the seme for ''almost'' being the uke for the sake of the uke. but if i would've been in that relationship i could've went with the flow too and just be ok with any position, so what really matters here is the ''love''..so it's really an ego for us men. hope that you will not take this personally.

You are so right!! I thought it was perfect until he said that!

Dammit. You make a lot of sense too...

But he identifies himself as gay so that where the problem lies lol(〜￣△￣)〜

Oh, I totally get you (not as man, but as a member of society). I wish irl, that weren't a problem, that love was the end all be all, such that everything else was irrelevant, except to those involved in the relationship(s).
I don't like that society and cultural norms are able to mold people to think that 'this is how you perform your gender identity (if you identify as gendered), and so puts pressure on people to conform to a certain level of masculinity and/or femininity (in this case, that would be to 'top', because really, irl, anyone can make the other moan, anyone can take control, anyone can decide to be the dominant during sex, irregardless of gender and position at the time), but that is the world we live in.
Don't get me wrong, I was much more dramatic than I actually felt, so I take no offense at all - but BECAUSE it is fiction we can pretend that our ideals can be met, on the page. This is an instance where it was so frustratingly close, for me, that I wrote my original comment. So, yes, I know what you're talking about, and, no, it has nothing to do with situations irl - no offense taken (=・ω・=)

So disappointing!!! And so unrealistic for a gay man to think that way. I can maybe see a straight guy thinking that way (especially if they have a kind of sexist "men in control, women passive" mindset), but it just didn't strike true coming from Ioroi. At all. I love this mangaka in general (I mean, would ANYONE dare call Makio passive or unmanly??!) but that one line really rankles.

Lines like that, and actually the whole way gay male sexuality is portrayed in a lot of yaoi, makes it so obvious that most of the people creating it have almost no idea what it's really like #－.－)

That's a pretty restrictive notion of "manhood" you've got there... I'm honestly not trying to criticise or insult you. In a lot of places the idea of masculinity is really narrow, but happily that's an old-fashioned way of thinking these days in urban Australia. Having said that, I think gender stereotypes are often quite rigid in Japan compared to Oz. Maybe that explains why there's so much of this stuff in yaoi, since a lot of it is so hetero it hurts.

it also bugged me like tamaki being the str8 guy here didnt think that he will loose his manhood by being an uke but like Ioroi he admitts he is gay but still his thinking about loosing his manhood if he bottoms was dissapointing for me.. why not switch ..i have two friends in my college and they are reversible i have know them since middle school but never heard anything about loosing manhood by being bottom from either of them

it might be restrictive but you could say that man also has their pride for things that even girls have, but once in a while.. if i would get a girl then i guess it could be fine that the woman is the one who will lead.. but my definition of masculinity isn't really narrow because i think that masculinity is to be the one who will provide for the family, or is the one who has pride for being a man and standing up for themselves so its not really restrictive at all, but as i said its just the ego of a straight man that keeps us feel good about this sort of things but honestly i dont really care,cause as long as im happy im cool with it...

woah,what they have is actually something to be envied of.. lol whether it would be heterosexual or homosexual because typically there would be that person who is the ''lead'' of everything

Actually yes, you have an old fashioned mindset. Nowadays it isn't only the man, who will "provide for the family", it's BOTH the woman and the man. And I can't understand how a woman's leading can hurt anyones masculinity in sex, it supposed to be about TRUST. And let me tell you, it isn't the man only, who likes to make the other moan. (masculinity is a stupid term in the first place, nowadays I know a lot of woman who are more masculine than any other man could ever be. And they look really pretty too, so it has nothing to do with their looks or biological gender.)
But sadly, a lot of straight men are thinking like that, and I just happen to be a woman, who really likes to take control almost over anything. But if I had a loving partner, I wouldn't mind to give them the control if they wanted it, but I would never give the control for someone, who wants to force me to obey, just because I'm a woman, and they "will have to provide" which I call bs anyways.

i didn't say that woman didn't have the right to take jobs though and i also didn't say that family was restricted to relationships. i was being broad about this matter and i only focused on men.. because as you know there are a lot of men that call themselves as a ''real man'' but in fact what they only do is lazing around in bed and just be ignorant, selfish, and being a drunkard, i should know.. i know a lot of people that call themselves as ''men'' but in fact they just boast around of what they have.. and as for the moaning part. and as for the lead part, its my decision of what i like and what i don't like but that's only for my personal preferences of what i like to do.. but that doesn't mean that i can't let any women take any lead when we do it, its just that it's my personal interest. and i mean get it.. i mean your a woman yourself and sometimes you also want to take control of the sexual intercourse but that's also for me and the men who thinks the same as me.. i mean, making your partner feel good because of you is somewhat pleasurable just by thinking about it.. but just like i said im open about it as long as me and my partner are satisfied with each other ..so it's kinda offensive that you are saying that my mind is somewhat ''close minded'' but i will not make this an issue.. so it's just my personal interest and nothing else.

I was thinking the same (⌒▽⌒)

Actually he does surprisingly

lol #yaoiinstincts

it becomes more apparent in chapter 16! :)