I let this marinate so that I wouldn't be edged like this and I should've read the comments before I caught up shit

ulthunie created a topic of Killing Stalking

Yoonbum genuinely sucks ass
Now I don't necessarily think he deserved the torture sangwoo put him through
I wouldn't wish it upon him
But also if sangwoo was a normal dude, yoonbum literally stalked the dude, broke into his home, and jerked off in the man's bed without his consent
If that ain't some form of sexual harassment idk what is
Don't even get me started on what he did to that girl in school
Sick of seeing people see yoonbum as a baby who needs to be saved
Like the man's not innocent and honestly he landed himself in this mess
Let's be real if sangwoo wasn't a crazy murderer yoonbum would've become a serial sexual harasser
Like I see most people be like ok Sangwoo had sad backstory and that explains why he's a horrible person who does bad things but that doesn't excuse it
But why can't most people apply the same fucking logic to yoonbum
Ye he got molested by his uncle but that doesn't give him the right to fucking be a shitty dude
They both fucking suck as people but that's why the story is so interesting
I'm just sick of people being like yoonbum is a little baby who need protection
LIKE NO FUCK HIM HE REAPS WHAT HE SOWED

ulthunie created a topic of Hate Mate

I really like subin and jun's relationship. I feel like it's kind of realistically unhealthy if that makes sense. Subin has a lot of problems like low self esteem because of his past with hyunwoo and Jun's age/experience. He never got attention with hyunwoo and acts out with Jun. But you can also tell that he still really admires Jun because he wouldn't have this inferiority complex if he didn't. Jun also (albeit a Saint compared to subin) shows he notices his flaws when he gets hurt by what the girl coworker says on the roof. He realizes that maybe he didn't necessarily provide subin what he wanted in that moment. Instead of listening and empathizing he gave advice (which is fine if you're asking for advice but not if you're just ranting). It shows that there's still emotional immaturity and a lack of communication in the relationship. They care about what the other thinks but because they don't communicate they overthink. They are trying in their own way but its misunderstood as not caring and a sign of falling out of love. I can definitely see that they love each other but they also need to work together to better their relationship. Subin highkey needs therapy after hyunwoo. He also needs to learn how to communicate his wants to jun in a more clear and healthy way (rather than yelling and threatening to break up). Jun needs to reassure subin more and be more attentive. He can also be more expressive and communicate his thoughts more clearly as well. I really like the realistic part about how they deal with fights because they literally live togetger. Even if they're mad they go to sleep in the same bed. They both apologize. They worry about each other at work all day. They think about each other a lot. They know each other's mannerisms exactly. It feels like a natural relationship with ups and downs. Like subins trauma isnt automatically fixed just because he loves jun. They arent automatically great at relationships just because they're in love. It just feels more relatable than a lot of other relationships ive seen in bl or fiction just in general. I really hope this season strengthens their relationship and delves deeper into it. I just want more Jun and less hyunwoo lmaoooo