Josh is a manipulative liar. Josh is also bad ass and amazing and I love him. But he's a selfish ass for hiding all this from Chase. But he's so cool (=・ω・=)
The dichotomy of man ...
I mean if I were in Josh's place I would do the same. The only reason they're close now is because Josh was appointed as Chase's bodyguard by chance. Imagine if that never happen, Chase would want nothing to do with a stranger who has his kids while they made the child in heat
I mean, my comment was supposed to be more of a joke, But for arguments sake, now they are close... what's the excuse for holding back?
Yes he tells him eventually but only because chase finds out! Josh had every intention of just walking away while lying the whole time. I do get why in a way and I didn't have a problem to start with at all. But while reading the novel, I couldn't help but feel icky. Poor chase has been lied to and manipulated by everyone he should be able to trust and Josh is just another one to do the same. It's just sad. But like I said, Josh is also awesome... so I'm torn. Hence my original comment.
Bottom line, if what happened to Chase by the end happened to me I'd be pissed and unsure if I could forgive and get on with it. That was my overall reaction to the novel. Not saying I'm right, just couldn't help but feel that way.
Your opinion is totally valid btw, I didnt realise it was a joke hshshs
I understand both pov because the situation is complicated. They dont even know each other before the first time they had sex. Chase will feel betrayed by Josh for sure, but he also will explore his feelings more and realise there's more to the situation. I'm not invalidating Chase's feeling, the situation is that complicated for both of them. But thankfully they got to solve it together
Interesting with people thinking we're in the end game finals when we're not. we still have another escape and reconciliation where they are actually good to each other.
Also, the Emperor is full of shit - the emptiest of threats this time. Though I guess wanting to pluck the eyes out is something he's always wanted to do and will continue to want but yeah...
Why does Chase not think him getting wet is weird? Ass does not self lubricate
This question is addressed in the novel. When Josh asked Chase why didn't he find it weird that a beta can self-lubricate, Chase awkwardly replies don't beta male sometimes get wet if they're aroused? And from this answer, Josh quickly realizes not only was he Chase's first and only partner, Chase lacks proper sex education. Josh never asked, through educated guess and from context clue, realizes Chase was so traumatized by sex bc of his ruts and black outs, that he blocked off anything related to sex, including learning about what happens to alpha, omegas, and betas during sex.
After Chase answered Josh's question, Josh just says okay instead of telling Chase he was dumb lol. Josh didn't want to crush Chase's ego bc Chase was already self-conscious about his lack of sex experience.
If i remember it correctly i think Chase got to remember their first night together that time
Chase does remember, but he didn't know it was Josh. Chase is aware he slept with someone during his rut, but because it was during his rut, his memory is hazy.
Right, I'm not sure i buy that as a good explanation even though it's what's said in the novel (Josh's interpretation and what the author wants us to think).
I guess we agree that his sex education is poor? That's the only answer we really needed, But extrapolating that to saying he's blocking out any knowledge about sex at all because of trauma? This just isn't the case. He remembers having sex with someone, he knows how his dick works and where it goes. He doesn't not know what sex is or how it works. All he has wrong is that he thinks everyone gets wet when aroused. So by this logic he blocked out specifically that only omegas get wet? That's the only thing he seems to not know about sex with the different genders.
Also by this logic he doesn't know that he, an alpha, doesn't get wet when aroused? Or his assumption is that betas and omegas get wet but not alphas? How does he know that anyone gets wet if he's trauma blocking anything to do with sex?
He clearly has not fully blocked out the sex he had - he remembers doing something the one time he did it. All the other times he was in rut he was just drugged and passed out - not having sex so there is nothing to forget (i know he's traumatised by thinking he did it with a dog, also maybe their little brother? That was a translation confusion with the novel i read maybe) Only the time he vaguely remembers with Josh is the time he's ever actually had sex and it's kind of there in his memory. Clearly his sex education is not there, granted but I don't buy that it's through trauma.
Personally, I think it's bad writing to get him saying 'you're so wet' during sex and having the "oh, is he going to figure it out" aspect for tension. It does not make sense. But neither does him being chill with Josh having lied to him about sex and a baby for years so yeah.... what else would I expect from this author?
it's not a big deal, just feels like a 'it makes sense if you don't think about it' writing moment and it gets me every time it's in a story.
He remembers he had sex is not the same as blocking out sex and anything related to it. He wanted to find who he had sex with because he was afraid he raped the person while he was in rut. His first reaction when he found out Josh was the one he slept with was nausea bc he thought he raped Josh.
It's clear from him easily accepting Josh's explanation that Chase is clueless about sex and sex education. Coupled with his answer, thinking beta male can get wet like omegas that he doesn't have a proper sex education.
I don't find that really hard to believe, especially since some ppl STILL think people can't get pregnant if they're on their period. A person's knowledge on sex is dependent on how well they seek out the information.
Right, right, right, so I misunderstood what you meant. I thought by the phrase 'blocking out anything related to sex' you meant it was a trauma response leading to him forgetting anything he once knew. I did not think you meant an active choice to not learn about it out of fear around the subject. That makes more sense to me now.
I get it now - Chase does not know because he was never taught it in school or by a trusted adult and he never sought out the information for himself. I can agree and accept this works in the context of the story and him being a flawed character.
It still seems wild there would be no sex education for him, especially with him being such a rare alpha and the issues of people wanting to steal his sperm etc. Seems they might have wanted to teach him how it all works at some point for his own protection if nothing else, but I guess that's why he needs so much security!
As I said before, I don't really find it to be such a huge deal here because it's an omegaverse story, but even stories without omegas keep going on about wetness and im just like, ass does not self lubricate stop it! So when I see anything about it I get unduly annoyed. ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
I think it's bc when he presented as a Dominant Alpha and went to his dad and siblings for help, their response to him was to find an orgy party and spend his rut with whatever partner is available. And that seems to be most ppls typical response to Chase's ordeal about sex. So he has a bit of a jaded outlook when it comes to talking to ppl about sex. After all, Greyson's solution to Chase's reluctance to sex is find a dog or their youngest sibling to fuck :/
Yeab, totally effed up. I feel really sorry for him.
I've read the novel and just feel awful for Chase
Everyone close to him lies to him and keeps him in the dark. No wonder he's a broken man-child. Even Josh, and Josh is almost worse because he continues to lie to him about him being an omega, the child, the marking. He choses to keep him in the dark for what? Honestly, while reading it if I was chase, I don't know that I could forgive Josh for the bold face lies. It's quite unsettling. The lying and concealing is never really addressed either, just 'oh happy ending because the kids yours and you already marked me, yay! Nevermind that I've kept this a secret from you for years'
Could you forgive someone for this?
Yeah. I’m absolutely on your side with that. I could never forgive someone for withholding such important informations from me. Especially if my child is involved
It would be too weird for him to start being nice now, it's not his way to ask nicely or be polite yet. I presume he'll get there with effort and practice. Probably more realistic for him to need to be intentional with working on himself rather than just have the realisation he's an ass one second and the next he's a kind, apologetic changed man. Slow and steady makes sense. So would him choosing to do therapy - just saying.
Yeah I dont like the smut here. Its rape, he's saying no stop, it goes on longer than he wants and I don't care that he comes or if 'he's just saying no but he means yes' he is saying no and to stop. That's all it takes for it to be rape. This is an abusive relationship and I hate it. But I recognise that this is what the author was going for.
I recognise that nervous energy around the topic, not wanting to say no, feeling coerced into it to make them happy and not leave, dreading them going too far or w/e. Maybe this does it for some, but not for me. I don't like sehyuk and I dont even think he's attractive, the slicked backed hair is icky and I'm just not a fan at all.
Seriously, what is wrong with the mc liking the sex? Why can't we have him loving it at least at some point, why does he have to be tense and wanting it over with, all throughout? Because that's the bl norm? I hate it, I like everyone involved to be having fun the whole time, unless it's an agreed upon kink and is role-play. Or at least they acknowledge this hurt but also like it. Just rubs me the wrong way.
guy kills people and readers are surprised he aint a good guy lol
I'm not surprised, I just dont like it. I've read others with mls who kill people and they dont give me the ick like this! tae-seung and ahjuicy(iykyk) they are this same gangster, murderer tough thing but I like them well enough. Even Garon doesn't give me the ick this bad. Personal preference for sure, but c'mon, don't play it off like I think he should be a soft sweetie, this style of dominance can be done well, this is just not for me.
Also, those I mentioned would wipe the floor with sehyuk... just saying.
Taesung? From low tide? The same guy that raped the mc and kept a debt over his head?
Agreed, im glad others feel the same way. The rape just spoiled the whole thing…sigh
No from legs that won't walk - also didnt do great stuff to his love interest, chained him up, lied to him lots etc but at least soo-young enjoyed the sex! That's kind of my point, it's not that he's a bad guy, I don't mind that, it's something I can't quite put into words, and think just comes down to how he was written. Overall I don't like him and how mc is so on edge about it all, I find it so off putting. Even taeju from low tide fits into this category too like you say and I prefer him of this guy as well!
I'm sorry why is he telling mc all this? The exposition is taking me so far out, I'm finding it hard to suspend my disbelief. Just stop talking dude! Was there no other way to give us this info dump without it coming in the form of a villain speech? It's just lazy story telling. Feels like he's seconds from twirling his moustache! I just cannot take it seriously, is it all going to end with a 'and i would've gotten away with it too' geez.
So they finally made carlix look actually attractive! Wahoo maybe i can read this and be into them...
So the attempted break in is never mentioned again? That was his doing too wasn't it? That's so scary - I bet that's why it was ignored, so the author didn't have to have him admit to that!
I'm up for stories like this, I think it's was balanced in how she left him. I prefer it when they admit it's toxic and bad, which i feel the author definitely did here. Maybe there was an attempt at redemption but I still wouldn't trust him, but the fl is on board with it so I guess it's fine.
Shame it didn't finish.