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From what i heard is that the fl abandoned her son to the ml

Honestly couldn’t have said it better!

This is really a unique story, I’m also in love with it, because of how complex both characters are. And that the writer took time to actually establish a lore, to understand the factors why the story became extremely cruel. Also the emotions that both the novel and manhwa were really well executed. You’ll find yourself just wanting to read more.

But after reading the whole thing, my heart goes out more for Aeroc. They were both terrible people at the start of the story. But I hate how Clough was using Rapiel to antagonize Aeroc repeatedly, I was mortified that he could do this to his wife. And then I read the passage in Clough’s pov in s2, how being married to Rapiel would be so peaceful that it would be boring. It was connecting the dots to why Clough was such an asshole to Aeroc, in this arc Clough is affected by the imprint established in world 1, so his actions are amplified. But both Og and Au Clough probably felt frustrated by their strange attraction to Aeroc, but instead of dealing with it like a normal person would, the OG made a game out of it. In this second world, since Aeroc didn’t show any interest, Au Clough was just incredibly rude. He was trying to pick fights, by nitpicking Aeroc’s flaws. But couldn’t justify his hate, so he feels bad when he goes too far. Which is opposite to Og who feels justified. But it wasn’t revenge that he wanted, but the power to conquer Aeroc, to do what he wanted. That’s why his angry because he knows his reasoning is bs. His son saw through his bs ╮(￣▽￣)╭

It’s kind of great how Winter subtly shows you the root cause to why the tragedy happened. Even Aeroc’s character in Clough’s return, explained why he acts that way. Why his misunderstood and hard to approach. He is this hopeless romantic, who finds it hard to connect with people because he could see their blatant desire, some approach him for his title or good looks. He felt uncomfortable seeing the greed and envy. So it points out when he saw Clough in world 1, he became the first person to move him, there was innocence that separates Clough from his world. If only Aeroc knew, that underneath Clough was actually a cowardly, rude and cruel man. Maybe it could have been avoided…

As for why he ended up with Clough again, I think Aeroc really just wanted to see his six kids in this life. It was the primary goal. He loves Clough but is scared of him and doesn’t want a relationship in the beginning. But took it as a sign that maybe in this life, he could be with his children…

But..but that flop threatened Aelock, like it or not, Aelock will never have a choice but to be his omega. Yesss he is an ASSHOLE SHIT.

But later this og klop always asked for Aelock's consent. Lol.

Yeah he did. I’m just saying it’s not out of pure hatred it was frustration combined with anger. Years of resentment and longing that Aeroc dared to leave him and then his kids sided with Aeroc despite his crimes. Everything was taken from him. He feels cheated and a victim. It’s frustrating.

But I agree his 100% asshole!

Og Clough wanted to make things right that’s why he’s always asking Aeroc for consent. He has a weird way about it. But because they didn’t really communicate in world 1, everything he knew about Aeroc was base on a damn assumption. So when he saw that Aeroc was actually naive especially about sex and relationship, he took it one step at a time, he wanted Aeroc to fall in love with him. And I think after seeing Aeroc’s reaction to his advances, he realized that he was OG Aeroc’s first in everything and he just cruelly tormented him like he was this dirty promiscuous noble. So he didn’t want to repeat that mistake… he wanted everything to be special to ease himself that he did so much hurt to Aeroc. (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

In the If stories he was also asking Aeroc for consent as well. Because he realized the extent of the damage he inflicted on Aeroc, when he going to check for fever and Aeroc looked at him with terror in his eyes. Aeroc was also crying so much as well.

He was also guilty because Aeroc was thanking him for letting him see the kids, that he will forever be grateful for this kindness he didn’t deserve.

It’s sad because he wanted Aeroc to cling to him and act human. But this wasn’t human, it’s more of someone broken, someone who sees himself beneath human. Someone grateful for the small ounce of kindness that he receives. Clough knew he messed up… when he was sarcastic about Aeroc thanking him for the food that didn’t taste good, complimenting it. He could see that Aeroc wasn’t being rude, but his standards of living was so low, that a porridge of oats and meat was like a feast. I haven’t finished reading it, but it was messed up…

And Clough will have live undoing that damage.

Haven't read the IF story yet, ah I've read some parts (it was translated into spanish and I read it through google translate lol), but I have no courage to continue it.

I have a question. Did Flop have some guilty or sth towards Aelock in if story? Or sth happened maybe that can make us feel satisfy?

He feels guilty. When Clough, especially when Aeroc was thanking him about showing him the kids. He actually didn’t sleep properly for 3 months nursing Aeroc.

It’s good you should read it.

How is it normalizing when the guy that raped him got killed by his future husband?? Like what. Recommend reading the novel.

??? The “guy” that raped him was the ML himself. It’s literally on chapter 5 and as far as I see, the ML is NEVER punished for this.

oh then that is my mistake, I read the novel and when I read the first ep manga I thought they were both connected to his old boss I apologize for the comment by my own misinformation

i mean i agree but it’s not romanticized in this novel. ML suffered a terrible fate and he was deeply regretting for a long time. it’s arguable whether MC should forgive him but i’m just saying it’s not true he wasn’t punished per se

Damn

Dayum. Exactly

I can't believe he's LITERALLY walking into a trap full of STDS and still be willing to walk INTO IT.

You’re entitled to your opinion and I understand the parts (even though I’m not sure why you keep reading it if you’re so averse to morally gray characters…) BUT I will just defend the protagonists’ relationships because I feel strongly otherwise. (idk how much you read until so there may be some **spoilers**)

How is ML taking advantage of MC? Just because he fell in love with someone who is mentally ill?? Can’t mentally ill people be in relationships? His conditions does NOT debilitate him. Their relationship is not unbalanced. Despite his conditions, MC has always been clear about his feelings for ML and it’s not like he lets ML have his way with him. If he doesn’t like something, he makes it known and he is snappy. Sex is part of their relationship (which is completely fine and normal), that doesn’t mean ML “use him for his sexual desires”.

ML is the one who actually helps MC’s conditions improve. Early on, when he finds out about his drug addiction, he immediately replaces them with a placebo. He entertains and goes along with all of MC’s rambling and quirks (eg. about the bugs) instead of dismissing him like the other people around MC who act like he’s crazy which frustrates MC. He’s the one who takes MC out of Kang Giha’s grasp by faking an accident and removes the chip in his head.

Later on, when they live together, ML is the one doing most of the housework and cooking and literally indulges MC so much. He even cuts his nails for him and arranges testicles implants. MC’s mental conditions have improved by then (although he doesn’t get professional help unfortunately), which is evident by the fact that he usually doesn’t see bugs anymore, comes to face with his real body, and isn’t as paranoid as before.

As for the necrophiliac part, it’s actually unclear if he was or not (author never clarifies, it was never described what he actually did down there). You say it’s questionable he goes to Paradiso but how would the characters meet if he never was that kind of person?

It’s a story of mutual salvation. I think it’s rather interesting that ML is morally grey anyway, it’s about 2 kinda fucked up people matching each other well. If ML was just another run-of-the-mill kind and perfect love interest, it’d just be another cinderella story. Sorry if you wanted that, but that sounds boring to me. And it just wouldn’t work out because deviations to either protagonists’ personalities would never result in them falling in love and getting better with each other’s company.

Thank you for input, I always love to hear the thoughts of what other people think. So I’ll respond to some of the stuff.

The placebo drug that that ML gave to the MC was to replace the GHB that Kang Gina gave him. If you can recall, the MC went out to find the ML for more of the drugs (placebos) at his apartment after he was found out by Cocaine that he poisoning the water purifier. When the MC asked for the Placebos, the ML coerced him into sex in exchange for the placebo drug even though the MC said “no”. The MC gave in thinking that he would give him the drug and then leave him alone, then the ML took him into his apartment for sex.

The part about their relationship being balanced cannot be true. The MC is essentially a slave. He was kidnapped and forced to living in the Paradiso complex and if he ran away he would have his brain exploded. The ML has complete control in the relationship because he’s rich and powerful. After the MC learned about the ML’s necrophiliac desires he didn’t want to go with him to visit Cha Myunghwan, so he gets mad and forcefully takes him out. It was even mentioned that if anything happened to Yaba, he would just bribe the Eunuchs and the Gangsters who saw it.

I understand that the ML would be far from perfect from the start, but his actions is far from reasonable. The orgy parties, using the Healers for his own pleasure despite knowing the human trafficking, the intense alcohol and drugs to further his sex, planning of his brother’s death for his own personal gain, the necrophillia, taking advantage of Yaba’s feeling to fill his lust.

The story itself starts with a very fragile character who is mentally unwell and dealing with even more unstable surroundings and people. The ML never truly cared about MC for a larger part of the story. If he did, then he would’ve thought at Yaba beyond the scope of being an object of a desire. He only started to care about Yaba when he saw how beautiful he was.

I just realized you’re the translator for the Healer novel. Thank you so much for your work!

Thanks for being open-minded. Sure we can have a discussion.

I agree that ML took opportunity of MC coming to see him to have sex. But sex is not mutually exclusive with him caring for MC. And MC was also not held hostage by that situation to be forced to have sex either. He was in love with him at that time already, and in that chapter, it’s described that he longed for him (while still being anxious and insecure), his heart was racing etc.. So this leads us to the implication that MC did know what would happen when he said the dirty words, and he was complicit in their affair.

If MC really didn’t want to, he could simply have not done that, and find the drugs from Kang Giha instead (which is the one he’s having withdrawal symptoms from). That would have been easier and better for him. But he didn’t do that, precisely because he wanted to see ML in addition getting the medicine. MC can be really adamant and obvious when he’s made to do something that he hates. When he was forcibly SA-ed by Kang Giha, he took a scissor to slash him. On the other hand, although he often says “no” to ML, he does eventually go along with it, implying that he’s not so opposed. This is his “tsundere” trait, and I’m not imposing that myself lol, “tsundere bottom” is tagged on the official korean site, meaning it was the author’s intention to have him this way.

He didn’t want to go to Cha Myunghwan not because of the necrophiliac thing (he was pretty unfazed by that) but because he was jealous of Cocaine. I’m assuming you’re talking about chapter 18.3? MC was in a bad mood because of his own insecurities: “Yiseok was trying to protect Cocaine”, “Don’t send Cocaine to your family home” etc.

And yes, while MC is a slave in Paradiso, he’s not a slave to ML just because he’s rich and powerful. While their relationship did start off unbalanced (I concede to that), it doesn’t remain so. And that’s what plot development is for right? Like I mentioned in the previous comment, ML is the one who saves him from Paradiso. Even before that, MC escapes Paradiso just to see ML, while taking the risk of the bomb. I strongly believe that his mental conditions does not debilitate MC, he’s a strong, capable person who doesn’t let his circumstances get the better of him and that’s why he’s such an interesting character. I don’t think he is fragile at all.

You said “ML only starts to care about MC when he saw how beautiful he was” which was at chapter 8, which is very early on, so not “the larger part of the story”? The beauty part was a bit superficial I understand, but let’s be real that goes for every romance fiction

Thank for responding and being so receptive

I agree that the relationship between them, although twisted, did eventually develop into… something. But at the same time I can’t help but feel the ML is inadvertently responsible for everything that happens to the MC’s suffering.

I read the part where it was revealed that the actual owner of Paradiso was the ML. And it just made me realize further that the ML is kind of terribly awful person. I know that the he funded the creation of Paradiso in the first place to help his sister by obtaining Healers, but he knew that to obtain Healers he had to find children. He essentially funded the creation of a human trafficking business on children, and then used those children for his benefit.

He tries to help Yaba with his psychosis, but he contributed to Yaba having psychosis in the first place by funding the process of Yaba being kidnapped which eventually lead to his castration. This subsequently leads the ML being responsible for all of the Eunuchs trauma. Yaba’s suicidal thoughts, his delusional thoughts and and his psychosis are a byproduct of the ML’s actions. And after all this, he shows very little reflection for uprooting the lives of the Eunuchs which is especially sad because we see how badly they were all affected.

Of course the ML isn’t the entirely at fault for the circumstances of the Eunuchs, but he is definitely a main contributor. It’s more frustrating when you think about all of it because he paid for all of this to happen, and even if the plan of capturing the children went awry, no fingers were going to be pointed at him because he could conceal everything with his money.

Also, the part about the ML being a necrophiliac is kind of unconfirmed but is most likely the case because throughout the story he never denies the accusations. Even if he wasn’t a necrophiliac, it is still said the he WAS in the basement and on the recordings. If what the ML did in that basement wasn’t compromising to the ML, then Yaba wouldn’t have a reason to steal the DVD and give it to the ML. It just means that ML, regardless of what he did in the basement, was so harmful to his reputation that it would compromise the plan of over taking Taeryung.

I really do think the novel is very well written with great creative writing (especially with Yaba) which follows a morally ambiguous set of characters and setting. At the same time I feel sad because despite it being so well written, there is very little retribution and reflection for the ML and his actions. As I said before, the story romanticizes this handsome, rich, calm and composed guys which leads the reader to believe that if he’s all of the above, then it doesn’t matter if he does this or that.

I don't want any spoilers but my eyes happened to fall on a word "NECROPHILIA" and I was like holy shit. This shit is more darker than I originally thought.
PS: Give me the novel link please

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Can you send the link in my message? Please I can't find it.

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