So there's two possibilities:
1. The S-Lines only exist for ppl he's "gone all the way" with. So ppl he's just engaged in bdsm with may not count.
2. The orgies are always with the same general group of ppl. It would make sense from a celebrity's POV. It's much safer for their reputation if its confined to the ppl you know and can maintain some sort of secrecy and leverage over.
21 is still a lot imo…. I can’t believe ppl think that’s low. Shits crazy
No fr cause that’s a lot of energy exchange too likeeee
I know right? It's a lot
It's low for people with his lifestyle
For an average person, that can seem like a lot. I think its specifically for characters like Seo In that it seems low. Just in the course of these 50 chapters, we've seen him attend multiple orgies and thats like a solid group of ppl already..
I agree, I was actually surprised if was only about 20. I would have guessed a much higher number
I have so much to say:
1. Seo-In was a cold mofo this chapter. pretty,.....but cold.
2. I just realized something. I think it was mentioned that Hae Yool kind of resembles Seo-In and/or his brother. And they've hooked up before. omg.
3. I actually kinda feel bad Hae-Yool. The dude is literally prostituting himself. He really hasn't done anything bad enough to warrant this kind of treatment. I will say though, my only qualm about Seo-In is that he doesn't rly seem to have to work hard for anything. Nor does he have any ambition or interests of his own. Don't get me wrong, he's got personality and its compelling. But he just seems to roll up to these photo shoots and then dip out for raunchy orgies after.
4. Hae Yool's comment that Seo-In didnt deserve Yeongwoon was kinda fire. I think i just like that others are standing up for our cute MC.
5. Also, that S-Line thing was kinda funny. But also, YEONGWOON? HE HAD PREVIOUS PARTNERS? I can't tell if i'd be more surprised if theyre just casual or romantic. But also he does seem stable and mature enough to have been in relationships so.
6. Lol. "1."
i acc feel so bad for haeyool bro
Yes to everything xD
same…
What is S-line? Can you explain
The S line is the red lines and each line represents a person you’ve slept with
I don't recall the ML being that bad. Like other than the tutoring ruse and maybe being a bit pushy but other than that I don't recall him being a major red flag. I don't rly think the tutoring thing is that bad either, like, he can throw his cash away however he wants.
Is there something I missed or is it more the MC having a complex about their wealth gap?
it's the fact that he made it seem like mc was a whcre and yes that IS that bad
maybe you should read the story again bc at the beginning the top kept treating him like a slut and was veryyyy pushy with him, he literally thought the bottom was a piece of work bc a lof of people at the bar told him he was easy but with him was being "difficult". he's the worst top? not really but he was an asshole and it's valid that dajun doesn't want anything with him now. and about the tutoring, yes, it's that bad, the top insisted to get tutored just to always end up fucking him, the bottom didn't wanted to do the tutoring sessions bc he needs all his time to study and take care of his younger brother, and when he accepted he never agreed to be his sexual partner, he was pushed to do it
I wonder if another potential reason for the backstory is to show the duality of JJK and Kim Dan. IK some think its some sort of excuse for JJK's behavior, and while it does explain how anal he can be about success, it doesn't excuse his actions. But maybe the author included it to show two different approaches to financial poverty.
Like with JJK, his aggression and drive got him out of a difficult situation, but he lost some of his humanity along the way. Kim Dan stayed a kind sensitive soul, but struggled to maintain emotional boundaries and garner finances.
This is probs me just reading too much into it, but its an interesting way to look at how these two approached their financial circumstances. In a way, they both had to 'sell' themselves. JJK to physicial violence, and Kim Dan to sexual aggression.
Yeah I don't think the flashback is over yet too. Maybe other chapter.
couldn't have said it better
It's well-accepted in the bl-universe that a tragic backstory should never justify or excuse a ML's poor treatment/behavior towards the MC. At some point, we all become adults, have to own up to our sh*t, and can no longer use the excuse 'but my parents sucked'. That's why at the end of the day, JJK doesn't get a pass for his poor treatment of KD. Don't get me wrong, I don't think JJK needed to treat KD like royalty, or with affection, or even very much care. At the end of the day, JJK wanted a transactional relationship(prior to his match). His biggest flaw was acting abusive and taking his aggression out on Kim Dan when it was uncalled for, and treating him like a tool rather than a professional partner.
With that said, I still do enjoy this backstory because it adds layers to JJK's character. We see that he's a self-made man, and someone with a determined drive since birth. We see another reason why he moved KD out of that dangerous apartment so quickly, and why he's fond of old ppl. We also see why he's so determined to train and win. For him, fighting was both an escape and his lifeline, his key to escaping the hellhole he was born in. The backstory illustrates a bit why he is the way he is. It doesnt, isnt supposed to, nor should it justify his treatment of Kim Dan. It only explains why, but reasons and justification do not always go hand in hand.
So the current status of the MC's is this: JJK needs to learn self-worth outside of winning matches(note the nightmare he had), and to carry more respect and self control towards others. Kim Dan has abandonment issues, and needs to learn to accept loss and change(bye grammy).
Started this bc I was interested by the premise and thought it was going to be three ppl trying to navigate a complicated/confusing dynamic. It's a cute story, but sadly I'm gonna be dropping. It's three guys pining for a girl that clearly has her own sh*t going on. To me, she really didn't align with any of them except jun pyo, but that's barely. Sami has too much internal turmoil rn to handle anything remotely romantic while the other three are falling head over heels literally any time she actually falls(which, btw, is absurdly often. Like every three chapters she needs to get caught.)
It's been almost 60 chapters and Sami hasn't undergone any character growth. Yes, she seems tough, independent, and cool. But the whole point of her inner turmoil is that she realizes her 'independence' is only surface lvl, and she's trying to be less self-centered like she was before. I'd honestly rather watch Sami reconnect with her old friends and family bc we can see she did so out of guilt, not bc she hated them.
And someone, anyone, please get her reacquainted with gravity.
There's a lot of discourse on Andrew recently so I wanted to add my 2 cents.
Based on my reading, Andrew's current 'possessiveness' is really not that bad. Rather than being excessive, unreasonable, or overbearing(which we see often in webtoons lately), it seems like Andrew is just extremely enthusiastic that he finally has someone he loves and trusts in his corner. As a result of his enthusiasm for Luke AND his lack of prior proper/positIve social experiences, Andrew is essentially a little socially stunted and is struggling to understand the boundaries and navigation of his relationship with Luke.
I'd argue that once he develops better social connections with others and feels more settled in his relationship with Luke, the 'overbearingness' would dim down. His clinginess now is just him not knowing how to handle the enthusiasm for this new dynamic with Luke.
The whole thing with the scissors and malcom, my guess is that the author put that in to highlight Andrew's awkwardness and how easy that can be misunderstood. Essentially, others like Malcom see his almost stand off-ish and clingy behavior and easily misinterpret it. Thus, Malcolm's initial reaction is something negative about the scissor incident. But rly, it's just Andrew being awkward/love-drunk, and easily misunderstood. This is in stark contrast with Luke, whose sociability makes him beloved and trusted by others.
right like everyone’s being so dramatic? pls…. too traumatized by actual black flag mls that were projecting on Andrew
I love this and I think it's a very sensible interpretation. I wouldn't mind whether his behavior is actually possessive or just misunderstood awkwardness. I 100% agree w the hsed time forming boundaries.
However, I do think that there is a robust foundation in this story for a more neurotic rather than an awkward Andrew. He was a mayor/senator's son and knows how to "perform" friendliness and sociability in front of others. Yet at the same time he didn't receive love or protection from his parents which made him have to resort to violence ( though just empty threats) to shake off a stalker.
Anyway, another unfortunate and more meta speculation is that because "crazy" and "possessive" sells in the webtoons space, we're gonna see an Andrew crash out. Ch 45 makes it seem as though luke appreciates monopolizing Andrew's time and affection, though he recognizes and wants andrew to branch out. But he wouldn't be opposed to a more possessove andrew (this is a reach)? And then the plot with whatshisname director that dropped them on the project is still building up in the background. And that guy is just straight up violent so who knows what will happen if Andrew needs to protect who he most cherishes.
Anyway I'm ngl, I like a little possessiveness in a relationship but Im curious... How aware is Andrew about how he's perceived by others? Does he think/realize/recognize he's possessive?
Me too, a little possessiveness is cute and honestly I think a healthy amount will stay with him. His current behavior just comes off as more 'clingy' from not knowing how to handle his new dynamic with Luke. He's kinda got his head in the clouds a bit, but he's nowhere near the black flag ML's we've been seeing in some recent webtoons. Neurotic actually might be applicable.
I love stumbling on folks who analyze in the comments section.
Tangent but. I wonder if the author is making an effort to make Andrew neurodivergent/somewhere on the autism spectrum. Which would explain his masking and discomfort with social situations. Maybe not the clinginess tho lol.
I wonder if Andrew w autism is a headcanon some readers have. But then some people are also ableist and see autism as a negative trait. And idk what type of people be reading this story.
He doesnt fit the criteria perfectly, but it's also a work of fiction and it could be a romanticized version of some sort of neurodivergence. Thoughts?
Hahaha, me too! I think it also says a lot about the author's writing that we as readers can find so much to talk about.
My guess right now would be that he was designed with some degree of neurodivergence traits but is, as you mentioned, slightly romanticized. As of now, I don't think this aspect of him is going to take center stage in the plot(like it does in Rivalry) just because there is an impending danger kind of lurking in the horizon(that director that quit). I don't know if I'd quite describe him with autism just bc as of now, it seems like his behavior was mostly been shaped by his past experiences rather than a trait he was born with. Because of this, I do think he'll become a less uptight and more friendly overtime with Luke and his friends' influence.
I've seen quite a few webtoons that romanticize some form of neurodivergence, mostly as a way to explain the ML's fixation on the MC. I doubt it'l be heavily addressed or a focal point here Luke and Andrew's relationship seems like the most seamless part of the story so far. I'd guess that the author gave Andrew some 'odd quirks' more to showcase Luke's positive influence on him over time. His interaction with Malcolm kind of hinted in that direction.
Luke's friend was just trying to protect Andrew,
Idk if u guys are js reading this with your eyes closed but its literally part of Luke's character to be possessive and have trust issues due to his past and trauma. They haven't even been together for a long time so ofc they haven't worked through there issues yet. This is a story if you can't handle the story part then go away.
Idk if you're reading my comment with your eyes closed, but you must be because I'm not talking about Luke. I'm talking about Malcolm, Luke's friend, who is trying to look out for Andrew. Your reading comprehension skills are approximately ground lvl rn bro.
Oh help. U have the same pfp and same as some other kid in the comment section who's mad because Andrew has trust issues even though we spent like three chapters discussing it. Also chill out dude shit happens it doesnt mean someone lacks comprehension skills. Idk why u sound upset when yk ur not the person who's at fault.
Well you're right its not something to get pressed about. I was just a little astounded to be accused of not reading properly by a comment that completely missed the point of my 8-worded, single sentence post.
Also, my pfp is the standard for when accounts don't upload any pfp.
Helppp nah I get that dw
Also im not THAT slow gng. Ik i made a mistake lemme live it down
js that u weren't even the person I gaf abt in the first place and there were like 4 ppl saying the same thing I was js like "guys give Andrew time damn" so yeah I should've read throughly but instead I went by username mb bro.
Ryu Ian this chapter: "woof woof, praise me praise me!"
I literally felt like I could see his metaphorical tail wagging.
Side Note: Emma is fine af. i love the sibling dynamic they have going on and it's nice to see Ian enthusiastic.
Reading between the lines a bit, but I think the adjushi DOES hold some romantic interest for Yeongwoon, but he's holding back and contenting himself with more of a caretaker role. This is based on that earlier chapter where Yeongwoon asked why he never dates and theres a heavy pause. Then this last chapter, where we see the ahjushi clearly holds some affection but feels guilty for his role in what happened to Yeongwoon. He's never made a move since but has been looking out for Yeongwoon's well-being.
So yeah, I'd guess he won't turn out to be a full blown second male lead but present enough to upset Seo-In.