Maelie's Topics (159)

like, based on their character designs?

Like, maybe based on the clothes or jewelleries??

No.....just no

I agree with your take. I can see what you mean. I like their bickering and how they go back and forth sometimes on normal chapters. I've always like when characters have that dynamic.

If lister wasn't given that treasonous bg where he hurt sylhan and maybe if he wasn't so goddamn abusive he could've been a good ml. As you can see tho in these type of plot there can only be one "good" guy for the MC and there's no room for any other decent character.

I personally like listers design. I like the black hair green eyes, and how similar in age he actually looks to sylhan. They're both young looking. While as gjord looks so goddamn old especially in this chapter.

I also can't stand that he's so old looking while the author draws mc with baby incisors and always looks so baby childlike especially in their sex scenes it's kinda icky ngl

Did you decide this before or after he sexually assaulted him

But he made his choice and decided to behave like a total asswipe

i feel like lister could be good after some kind of redemption. his behavior is awful and cruel, but i feel like deep down he is a better person than that...but he is acting out on his childish tempers, almost like pulling the pigtails of the girl he has a crush on but way worse. at the end of the day he wants sylhan's attention and wants him to beg for his help and feel desired by him, but it all gets twisted when he's rejected.

i also wish lister wasn't so shitty bc i feel like there are cute sides to him but it gets overshadowed by his shittyness. at this stage though i can't really support him w mc but i would like to see him become better

a grown ass man who can make decisions for himself and chooses to actively abuse someone and sexually assault them can not be a good person deep down... guys WHY are we praying for his redemption we should be praying for gjord to kill him and be done with it

I get what you’re saying, cuz if he was introduced as the main ML people would probably all love him lol but gjord is just MILES better than him. He worships the ground the MC walks on and it’s a bitch to everyone else, I love him too much to ever like Lester

TLDR: I get what you mean, he had sm potential but dang he is such a manchild and an abuser to Sylhan. The amount of times he can't handle rejection and forcing MC to bow to him perfectly encapsulates on how much of an insecure fuck he is. He only likes the feeling of control over Sylhan.

His obsession over Sylhan like he is an object that he owns and can do whatever he likes (as shown when he SA'd Sylhan just to check if someone already have their way on him). He wants Sylhan to willingly bow to him that's why he has been tormenting Sylhan and acted like he gave Sylhan a favor when he does bare minimum.

There are times Lister had his moments but I think that's the duality of him. Like how abusers can be abusive to their own family but a great person to their friends.

I think he's also the perfect example of a "nice guy" he's only nice because he expects that behavior to be rewarded but once you reject him, his little ego gets hurt and can't handle rejection coupled with his lack of emotional regulation which leads to abusive tendencies.

Lister has the potential and I get the vision. I think one of the reasons he seems likable sometimes because the artist sometimes draw his expressions a bit too lighthearted for a character that was meant to be problematic.

perfectly said. if i may add onto this, and this might js be me, but I think the reason why he may seem 'likeable' to some is because he's literally the same as the other male leads in some of the most popular bls. the mls from low tide in twilight, jinx, roses and champagne are almost on the same level as him, yet they get their redemptions and so people root for them. i think that has disillusioned everyone to the point where people want lister to get a redemption, or to become better, even though he is obviously written to be an antagonist here. you'll never see anyone say they want lister's sister to redeem herself, even though shes as bad as her brother (probably). yet people will root for the abusive sexual assaulter because that's been the norm for so long. its sad that we finally get to see an abusive character that isn't glorified or redeemed (so far) and yet people still find points to like about him. anyway, that's just my opinion on this.

i think its giving credit to the author for being able to make multifaceted characters, both protagonist and antagonist, where you can see both the good and the bad in them. lister would be much more boring of a character if he was cardboard cutout evil guy. its more distressing imo that we can sort of understand his psyche and see times where he seems more innocent. if we looked at certain characters like gjord from other charas perspectives i'm sure he would not seem so heroic during this political strife xD i say all this but i love gjord! i just don't think the characters are so black and white

maybe you're right abt lister being similar to other mls. there's a reason the 'scum gong' trope exists, people love a groveling and wife chasing arc lol

Me personally I'm not praying for his redemption, bro has to go

I like listers design look wise and bickering with sylhan. He's a horrible character and they better not spare his ass lol

Him sexually assaulted him and you say “they would be a cute couple” you’re disgusting

Are you blind or js fucking stupid?? I legit said if only he wasn't shitty

did everyone just collectively skip over the "if only Lester isnt so shitty" part of my comment or…?

Did you decide to comment this before or after you fully understood what I said?

Lol People be hearin what they want to

Nah you’re still fckn disgusting that you decided to say that shit. “Oh if he didn’t rape him, they would be a good couple” what the fuck. weirdooo

Nah they only read what they wanna read, and start spouting their white knight mindset lol

Girl it was a joke relax, I giggled while I typed that I read your comment, I just couldn’t believe my eyes. Not my fault you like a rapist

I said IF he wasn’t so shitty. Meaning if he wasnt an abuser or rapist, if he was a different person entirely, not the character in this story. That’s literally it I’m not excusing what happened in canon. Don’t twist my words lmao

Did you read my comment or just hallucinate it? Genuinely asking, because the way you’re pulling conclusions out of your ass is impressive. Should’ve used that energy on reading comprehension

Womp womp
I read your comment, I’m not sure why you’re so mad bro like relax

Lester is trash even if he wasn’t a rapist and wasn’t “so shitty” as you put it, he would still be trash. Him being “so shitty” is his character. That’s him. There’s no other version of him. That’s like me saying, Jae kyung (from the BL jinx) would make such a cute couple with Dan if he wasn’t “so shitty” but that’s not the case. It’s redundant. Could be said about any “shitty” character. So there’s some part of you that likes Lester and sympathizes with him the way he is now.

Now just take a deep breath before responding

Come on, your comment is based solely on your preference for his looks, because there is nothing else about him that is redeeming. So, no, I don't hate you for your comment, I think it's dumb (offensive, I know, but not intentionally, well maybe a little) but you have the right to your opinion, I just don't agree with it.

Womp womp in the big 25

The point went over your head, did a backflip, and left the building. No one’s sympathizing with Lester, you just can’t handle nuance without twisting it into a self-righteous monologue. Take a deep breath and log off

The way you people keep hallucinating my words is actually impressive. Not once did I mention his looks lmao y’all see a hypothetical scenario and immediately cook up a fanfiction in your heads about me thirsting for a trashbag.

what... are u referring to then? if it's not his looks, and not his personality (which is shitty), what about him made u think that him & mc would've been a cute couple?

It’s the trope. Obsessive possessive dynamics are entertaining in fiction (for me) when done without actual rape and abuse. I liked the concept. You can understand that, right?

obsessive and possessive without rape and abuse... that's literally gjord though?

Cool. He isn’t the character we’re talking about though and I also forgot to mention Lester’s has this "I care but I can’t show it" Kind of thing. It’s a twisted tsundere-possessive dynamic.

I mentioned gjord cuz u said u like the obsessive possessive trope without rape & abuse, and u don't like lister's personality nor looks. gjord has everything that u like hence it didn't make sense to <me> why u think the mc would've had a cute rs w him when the male lead is literally like that. also I don't agree with lister being a 'tsundere' lmao but ykw u can have ur opinions. you do you.

being an asshole is listers complete personality so ur basically asking for a different character at that point.

lister is absolutely a tsundere

Lmfao the way no one is agreeing with you cuz it makes no sense. Just take the L bro you can admit when you like someone cuz they are abusive. You said you liked his being obsessed and possessive which is a type of emotional abuse. So you like Lester and his absuive tendencies. That’s all you had to say. You can keep saying I’m missing the point, but I think you got lost in your argument

Girl you’re arguing with a version of me that only exists in your head. I never said I liked him "because he’s abusive," I said the trope could’ve worked in a different context without the rape and abuse. That’s not hard to understand unless you’re hellbent on twisting it or just fucking stupid. You keep acting like you’re making a point, but you’re just talking in circles and pretending that misinterpreting me somehow makes you right. It doesn’t.

THANK YOU. Someone who actually gets it

Lester wouldnt be Lester if he wasn’t such a shitty person

Maelie hon , just let it go.
The more you fight with fools the lower they make your IQ fall.
They'll manipulate you into thinking you're "Overreacting" and you should just "relax" to rile you up, ruin you're day and go about the day happy now they have dumped the frustation of their miserable reality out (kind of abusive in itself).

You have to realize you're fighting with another Lester. Don't bother
Hope you have a wonderful day ahead

Thnx for this, have a wonderful day.

Have hope have hope PLEASE he's coming back trust

Just scroll down the topics, someone summarized the whole novel from this point on