Lubed uke union's Topics (389)

Of course there are kids on here reading... and having an emotional response... but I am not a kid, not even close, and I am having an emotional response.. it was cruel what he did, but kids can be cruel, I did some cruel things I regret to this day and had some done to me. I apologized years later.. helped, but it's still there.. and this story brings out strong emotions because of how it was written. It would have been bittersweet if there had been another/better reason why he said he didn't like him, but it was written that way and it makes me not like him while understanding his youth and the supposed quick forgiveness in this story.

I understand that what we read may bring an emotional response, especially more so in others. And yea, it did seem rushed with a quick fix. That's why I said it was an ok story, but literally there are people who wish they could have seen the guy suffering, maybe even injured because he thought he did what was best for their relationship since he was going away and long distance seemed impossible. From my understanding, he said "what he said" to make the other esentially hate him or be able to move on easier thinking the other never loved him. The lighthouse guy was very resolute in staying where he was for the lighthouse and so the other guy felt that if he was going to go far away for better education, then their relationship might strain from how far apart they'd be. To make it easier on both of them he let the guy go hoping he'd be happy or move on instead of waiting for him. So to his surprise he came back and the guy was alone, and hadn't really seemed to move on. They still liked each other. It was there the whole time, the problem was reastablishing that this time he was there to stay and they could make it work. Like you said, he said something he regretted and apologized years later just like you did, and he was naive. So saying it should have been a better reason is kinda ignoring what you just stated and even experienced. There doesn't need to be a "good/better" reason for stupid things you do, you think irrationally based on emotions and limited logic and act. Its human nature. It's great you're an adult who feels emotionally, very strongly might I add, however some of the comments on here and on other mangas is sometimes downright atrocious and I was tired of all the negativity. I try to post constructively or not at all, but it's difficult to stay silent when it's a sea of immature or negative comments. It was intended as a general blanket overlay of all the comments not a direct attack on any one individual. Plus, seeing as to how many dislike what I had to say simply because I pointed it out just shows that it struck a cord with them, and possibly are guilty of such a thing. You don't need to defend yourself if you dislike the story or pacing or even the resolution. My comment was for those who simply mouth off absurdities not criticism, hence the immature.

Art elicits emotional responses... it's just a fact. Emotional = arousing or characterized by intense feeling. So people are having intense responses to this art/story. I would guess that would be the intention of most artists.. the response cannot be governed by others. And since all ages read these stories you will be dealing with a range of maturity in all the responses. My comment about a better reason just means it could have been written where he said " I have to go, you have to stay. I am sorry, I cared for you, I hope you'll be happy". It wasn't written that way, that would have been just a sad, probably dull story. It was written to twist up our emotions imo , so it did as it was intended imo.. ergo, people are stirred up.

Yes that's great. I would agree as well. It does in fact seem to elicit an emotional response. However, how we choose to express our emotions and voice our opinions, the result should vastly differ between adults and children. So the idea that it is underaged minors commenting on such mature material has me concerned. This shouldn't be accessible to "all ages" in the first place, but then again that's just my view. Obviously the maturity level can range even within teens to young adults so there are exceptions to the rule. So it should be clear that my post isn't aimed at them but those who comment above and below mine that exhibit my original sentiment. Anyway, thank you for the discussion. It was civil and didn't really represent whom my comment was intended for, but again thank you. I've come to realize that it may be the case where children are commenting and by "children" I mean those under 18 or the mental state of such children, hence the immature comments. So my conclusion is that perhaps they're naive, and say stupid things because of their immaturity. So hopefully, they grow up and their views will change in the future. So while they can't be reasoned now, for their obvious need to lash out at those who disagree, I intend to move on onto more manga.

This is a really good summary of the story, i agree with you on your opinion that the reactions to the story are over the top emotional as well. I don't think pointing out that these responses are immature is going to help achieve anything other than resentment, but i can see why you put it out there. I feel like we're on the same page in our understanding of the characters on an emotional level, the decision to leave the way he did was a poor choice, however the intentions were pure. There is a plot hole though, it is revealed that he chose to leave FOR the uke because he didn't want him to feel like he had to follow him to college and miss out on his lighthouse owning dream, but then doesn't show us that the seme even intended to try to come back and make things right. I think this is where a lot of the resentment comes from, this was written in a way that makes it seem like the seme ONLY came back because of his dad and patching things up was just an important 2nd thought to him. I don't personally think this way, that is why i didn't get upset other than over the 7 year thing for awhile, i think it's obvious from their interactions and from how they literally say it that they'd never fallen out of love and so it stands to reason that once the lie was revealed that most of the issues would just cease. I DONT think the complete emotional cleansing in ch 3 is realistic, i DO understand the spontaneous sex and them getting back together as they've been in love and missing each other for 7 years, but the complete forgiveness doesn't makes sense after 7 years of anguish. I don't want to see the seme in pain, i'm just acknowledging that a little resistance from the uke would've made some sense, though i suppose the initial avoidance might have been enough, thinking about it. He tried to not talk to the seme, but he was persistent and the uke was still in love anyway. Hmm... Yes, i suppose it WAS enough, the seme won him over through persistence. I suppose that's where our opinion and their opinions differ, to us it was enough, but to them it wasn't and now they leave comments wishing for more?

I honestly agree with everything you replied with. This was where I was coming from yet no one, at least that I took notice of, had stated my exact sentiments the way you just did and I was just interested in putting a differing view out there. However if my comment on the maturity level of several readers causes resentment then so be it. It's not my responsibility for the offence they may take because it might strike a chord or two within them. Obviously, if it hurts their pride or ego to be told such then that's just a reflection on them not me for stating what I see. You're very courteous and I can see how the lack of a satisfied and reasoned ending or means to achieving such an outcome could cause the dissatisfaction amongst the readers so I'll give them that. You've given me another look at how their behaviors could have manifested, I just disagree in which the manner they express such behavior is presented. Overall though I'm quite happy that there are such nice people like the poster before you and like yourself that are willing to state their opinion and reason without lashing out, so I thank you!(▰˘◡˘▰)

No problem ^_^ I felt an urge to respond to you because you were so... Willing to talk and i could see that someone felt the same way i did while reading this and thought that was neat. I agree that the responses are ridiculous at times, there're ones that're just objectively bad even putting aside any biases... Great chat :^)

It was a really great chat!! ヽ( ⌒ω⌒)人(=^‥^= )ﾉ

And long XD
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Everyone would actually be able to read it if people would just not repost it anywhere. She has reopened her private group MANY times to new members. Seriously guys she's been less strict than scan groups were back in the day of irc or when Libre started c&d'ing all scans of works they publish. Unfortunately too many people are addicted to aggregators despite their negative impact because people hjust want to conveniently read free things.

How can we read/or contact them on their website to not be rude to them ?

Look that's great that she's open and all but it's useless. What's the point if I can't read it here? She can do whatever she wants and its great that people can read privately there. However, I'm just saying someone else should pick it up and do it that actually doesn't care if others put it up on this site and let everyone read it. As long as she's not preventing others from scanlating or translating and posting it then I don't care. But for me, if it's going to be a problem where I can't read it on one of these sites then good I hope her stuff isn't here. At that point I find it useless and annoying because then I gotta see it in the comments over and over. I got it the first time. If you wanna report then report it, but then move along and shut up. So I really do hope someone else takes this up because as of right now it seems like people who are part of that site can't even read it so what's the point? And last I check if you're on this site, any and all manga you read is being illegally taken and distributed, don't matter how hard the team works it's still not theirs to claim. I support them, I do but I'm tired of all this virtue signalling you got going on cause we all know why we're all here and it's to read free translated manga. If you got a problem with it then leave the site and stop reading manga online unless it's coming out yer pocket. P.s. to all the teams out there, I love what ya do and I got respect for it and if you wanna keep your scans private then go ahead, but there are teams out there that will let others upload or put it here themselves. So please don't complain if another team does. Because I know some try to call dibs and get annoyed if someone else picks up the same manga.

Totally. Translating has always been a moral grey area. And you're right - the only reason I'm here is so I can check if stuff like this happens. Realize though that scanslators are making 0 money off their scanslations. You don't see ads do you? Realize too that aggregators make money off ads. Do you see what the problem actually is? Someone is making money and its not the mangaka. I'm not saying that piracy is universally bad. A lot of stuff won't come to the West and a lot of the english publishers don't have the best track record when it comes to release quality and the amount they actually end up paying the mangaka. Just because you pirate does not mean you have never or will never buy things. Or that you'll never stop pirating one day.

That being said, you're also saying to someone who's translating manga for free that they need to either let you do whatever you want or they need to stop translating. You personally will never fact a legal threat from a publisher. They just might. Its easy to criticize when you don't face any risk.
But my post will probably be deleted since aggregators don't like it when people talk about their ad revenue.

I always use adblock so I won't generate revenue anywhere. And I'm guessing this was done by WTF readers group?

Very well said. Getting really tired of all the drama of late. Why can't people let people enjoy reading the manga, instead of all this unpleasantness.

No offense, but you essentially want scan teams to translate stuff for you for free and expect them to stay motivated when most people don't even visit the translators own ad free sites and instead come to readers and only comment here.
Take a look at how many yaoi translators last through the first year. Or the first three years.
The drama doesn't go away because nothing is getting resolved. People are even far too lazy to use google to find the translators site even when they can see the address on a credit page. And lets not forget the issue of aggregators making money of the illegal free translations done by others.

None taken, I make it a point to visit translator sites and thank them for their efforts. I do get your point though, not many last through the first year which explains exactly why we have so many abandoned manga. I am grateful for their work. The point I was trying to make earlier was why can't people simply be nice to readers, you are after all putting all of your time and effort for them right. Life is hard as it is, why make it harder.

That's true, some probably are, but there are many that make it a point to go and thank the Scan teams for all their hard work. I do, there are sweet people out there as there are jerks. You should have a look at the tumblr asks.
However Scanlators treating readers like dirt is not acceptable. We love you man. Be kind to us.

Fyi I and a friend on here decided to work on abandoned manga, put our scans on mangago. She's done a lot, I'm new.

As for aggregators making money, hosting manga/ servers costs money. Like someone pointed earlier I have ad block & they're not forcing me. It's also so much more convenient reading here, I tried reading on google drive but it keeps reloading every few pages.. a pain.

Ultimately we're all in the grey area, let's just spread the Yaoi love x

Look, I understand what you're saying the thing is, my original post wasn't wrong. I'm not forcing them to do anything, and if the translator for this manga doesn't want it shared on this kind of site then I'm saying I hope someone else who doesn't mind translates it instead. I don't view the adds on here either and I love all the translation/scanlating teams there are. Its just that lately there have been some nasty comments or fighting between readers when discussing this and honestly you're the nicest one I've met. I thank you for your time in replying and trying to get your viewpoint across. I'm just irritated when things like this happen and then people in the comments want to try to take the moral high ground considering what site we're on. I know what kind of backlash these teams can get and I know publishers try to come after them, so I understand their fear. However there are teams who would let them post their stuff as long as credited and I'm just saying maybe they should also take over this manga. It's frustrating when people keep telling you that you're terrible for reading stuff here when they know nothing. I have a wall full of manga, especially of the ones that I read online but I'm poor so it takes awhile to get to that point of owning all the volumes of everything I've read. I never said I'd force them to work or post their work, I respect their decision to post privately or not. I just get annoyed when I see a manga here and then 50mil comments say it can't be here and I can't read it anymore. So I gave a suggestion. And it ducks that the site makes money off the adds, but whose gonna pay for it to stay up? Maybe if they used donations instead would everyone be happy? Teams could also ask for donations from the readers or use an anonymous name to accept donations for their work and not through the manga so publishers can't come after them. Like a patreon but under a different guise like "people who send translation but not the manga" or idk. I'm just trying to find a solution for the drama.

Translate stuff for free not the case nowadays for many. Some scanlator ask donation and other put up ads on website or link or Ko-Fi etc. Like aggregator they too need to pay their bill (server, books). Although some scanlation build audience and used the audience they build to ask for money for things unrelated to manga. I shit you not I've seen scanlator post on their scanlation website asking donation for them to move house.

You seems to defend this particular scanlator probably because you have access to read. If you're not you won't be barking out loud here right now with so many comments. You also probably make known of your username here to that particular scanlator to gain point in case they make another secret site so that you have a testimony on how much you went all SJW on the scanlator.

Damn, what a cold blood stab, gurl... Right to the point.