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newsflash: the world isn’t all puppies and rainbows. not to mention the fact that the kiss wasn’t even bad. toughen up buttercup.

this took me out

Wow sherlock bravo

mad cos i’m right, grow a pair

Not mad but find you stupid

bahaha u mad

Who said there is nothing wrong with it? Please show me. We all know this is bad irl so what's your point? What's the point if these comments when we all know it's bad irl and no one said otherwise? Do we have to make a "I don't support it irl" statement every time we come in here or smth? Like genuinely what is the issue here

No one. No one said there’s nothing wrong with it. Yet everyone STILL has to flood the comment section to alert others about how immoral something is or how they no longer support it.

I wish they would stop making new comments about the same “hot take” everyone else has already stated and just contain it to one thread.

ikr? so goddamn obnoxious just to show they are somehow morally superior for calling out a bl or smth

Not to be the devil's advocate but both Oshibas actually saved Masahiro, I mean, ofc what Kousuke did is wrong but, they truly helped Masahiro when he was younger, and I really believe they did that because it was the right thing not because he was a pervert.
The problem is that, yeah, the gap is big, and they got together not to long after they met each other (like 3 years?) I think thats why they always keep the moment Kousuke fell for Masa a secret, because it would be pretty illegal.

I keep reading this manga, because I want to see Masa being happy, somehow I got attached to him, and thats why I keep reading.

The reason ppl think he's a "pervert" is bc he (an adult + his teacher + one of the few ppl who take care of the mc) manipulated the mc (minor + student + someone w no support other than the ml's family) into a relationship w him not bc he saved the mc

Thats what I meant, he didn't manipulate him and Masahiro, even if his situation wasn't good he could always come back to his house, in the first episodes he actually did, he can function without the Oshibas, even has a job and can support himself AND the useless mom, even though he would be sad because Ken is his best friend regardless of his relationship with his brother.
What Kousuke did was wrong but he never used his position of power over him, the whole thing was an awkward way to make Masahiro be more selfish, his feelings for Kousuke included.

If anything Masahiro (and the mangaka) fumbled more when Masahiro actually said he was going to out their relationship because he was mad at Kousuke.

Girlie... stop trying. Making "masahiro more selfish" is a v v v mild way of saying that an adult who is his teacher encouraged a child's feelings. He shouldn't be doing that, period. Also, so what if he never used his position of power over him (debatable)? There's still a blatant power imbalance

Girlie, this is fiction, the characters are not as deep as humans, Kousuke as a character is not meant to be "portrayed" as an actual abuser and Masahiro is not a "victim" either, this is just a very innocent and straight up ignorant way to portray an age gap relationship, because, both characters are meant to be in love in a genuine way, Kousuke never wanted to take advantage and Masahiro too has no issues and "is happy" with him.

Is objetively wrong? yes, I believe it too in real life I'd never think is right under any circumstance, but in a manga written by an amateurish author? She didn't think that far.

...I don't even know what to say anymore bc ik you'll keep a tight grip on the skirts of the "it's just fiction" excuse but while I am aware that they're not meant to be portrayed as a "victim" and "abuser", unfortunately for u it does come across that way, and while not all age gaps r inherently predatory, this one certainly is. Idc abt the mangaka's intentions, the fact is that the way they portrayed the relationship promotes it and "she didn't think that far" isn't a get out of jail free card

Hahahaha bs

Fictional stories do not promote anything. That’s like saying horror movies promote murderers.

You can be bothered by the material and it may evoke emotions from you which is what stories are supposed to do! But to say it promotes predatory behavior is laughable.

Omg girl, you’re literally too dump to make me wanna explain. Go ahead and believe that you’re right (●'◡'●)ﾉ

Because it is! I understand we all have "lines" that never cross because our moral compass or values, whatever, tell us is wrong but I firmly believe people are free to do whatever they want in Fiction.

If you def hate age gaps just don't read it then? why even bother??? You are free to come here ofc, read and give your opinion but don't be so surprised when not everyone else think the same way you do.

Is because of that "even in fiction is illegal/bad" mentallity that we are losing more diverse stories, and content creators are getting less creative with touchy themes because everyone bad mouths them without even trying to understand what are they trying to explore or sometimes they just wanna have fun.

It literally is not lmao bc in the majority of horror movies the murderers suffer consequences for their actions whereas the ml in this story doesn't. In fact, he gets everything he wants so... also wdym fictional stories don't promote anything lmao? Taking a step back from topics like this, if u see a character u like the style of won't u try and copy it? Also also, this story doesn't evoke emotions from me and that's y I'm arguing w ppl in the comment section. Like not only does it normalise grooming but it's boring too? Pick a struggle lmao

This isn't abt my "lines" and I never said ppl can't do what they want in fiction (and rlly how far does ur acceptance of things in fiction go? Do u think shota is ok like that brainrotted person i was arguing before lmao? I bet u wouldn't be ok w a cheating ml) but I'm free to criticise it. Honestly, all of u acting like I'm cussing ur mum out or smth bc I said that it's not ok for grooming to be depicted in a positive manner is ridiculous.

I don't "def hate age gaps" lmao, stop assuming shit. What I hate is an adult x minor "relationship" bc that's not an age gap, it's just a crime. Furthermore, I'm not surprised? Where did u get that idea from? Ik full well that there r many ppl out there who would defend this shit w their lives bc I've seen it so many times lmao. Ur not some revolutionary who woke me up to the realities of ppl having different opinions and the "it's just fiction, do what u want" cop out

And it's not bc of *my* mentality that ur losing diverse stories (tho there r plenty of stories like this still being made so idk wtf ur talking abt), it's bc of capitalism. Authors simply don't wanna take a risk anymore and will go w whatever is popular to ensure profit. *That's* y authors r less creative, not bc everyone bad mouths them for including "touchy themes". I would love to read a story where topics like this r handled appropriately but this manga just isn't that. Also have u considered that ppl like u stunt growth? Being in a bubble filled w mindless praise won't help anyone improve their writing, but tbh which author is reading the comments on here to begin w?

Finally, what exactly is the author trying to explore? This story would've been no different if the mc and ml were the same age or the ml was a senior at the mc's school. So that clearly shows that the mangaka didn't explore anything regarding age gap relationships, student x teacher relationships, etc. They literally gave us nothing lmao. Like i said before, this manga needs to pick a struggle bc being both boring *and* normalising grooming rlly is not it

You’re trying so hard and doing so well at explaining what nuance is to them. Unfortunately they’re unable to comprehend it since they’re trying to have some moral high ground that doesn’t exist?

It’s so strange they believe people are incapable of reading fictional stories of fictional characters in situations they don’t agree with without somehow supporting and promoting it? And instead of moving on to stories they like, they have to first try to feel superior over others from some moral criteria they’ve made up. It’s so crazy lol

So, according to your logic, only horror movies where the murderers suffer consequences are okay. If the writer had the murderer escaping, they’re promoting murderers being free as okay. That’s a crazy take LOL

And obviously this work evoked emotion from you because you’re angrily arguing with people in the comment section for having the audacity to have the media literacy you lack.

No I don't think they're promoting murderers bc the murderer isn't shown in a good light. Also u think it's nice to be on the run? It *is* a negative consequence so u haven't disproven my point. Also y r all the ppl I've argued w today like u? Y'all keep strawman-ing my arguments and then acting smart for what? Also u thinking that I *must* be angry abt this manga is u rlly underestimating my boredom and how enjoyable arguing is to me lmao. Also also, what media literacy do u have exactly? Media literacy *includes* being able to discuss the benefits, risks and harm of media and y'know critical thinking? Which u rlly seem to be lacking seeing how ur mindlessly defending the story. I've already said this, y does the ml have to be an adult and the mc's teacher? It adds nothing to the plot bc the mangaka doesn't explore any of the themes that come along w a "relationship" like this. To sum it up IT'S NOT WRITTEN WELL and *u* r the one lacking in media literacy for not realising that. Deal w it lmao

What nuance r they explaining, if anything *I'm* the one patiently explaining things? "It's just fiction, so it doesn't matter" isn't nuance. Pls learn the meaning of words before u use them sweetie. And i don't think and have never said ppl who read this r supporting grooming. Case in point, I've read it and here i am arguing against it. Who I think is promoting this kinda thing is the *mangaka* by way of their positive portrayal (the reading comprehension around here is v low huh?). I'm genuinely perplexed y ppl keep mentioning me arguing bc I wanna establish moral superiority, like no, maybe u do that but idrc if I'm morally superior than some rando on the internet. In reality, it's u who's trying to feel intelectually superior compared to me bc u have *such* a big brain take that a poor sod like me who lacks media literacy could *never* hope to think of (meanwhile: other ppl on the internet have already shat out the stuff ur regurgitating). Also, I don't dislike the story, I'll probably forget it in a couple of days bc it's not a particularly memorable plot but even if I did, y do i have to "move on"?? That's a complete cop out on ur part and goddammit it y r u all repeating the same stuff, it's not even interesting to reply anymore but I'm also repeating myself atp

Ohhh okay. So now it’s okay if the ML is an adult and the MC’s teacher as long as it explores the themes that come along with such a relationship.

As long as it’s well written, it’s fine. You no longer think it’s promoting questionable age gap relationships. Totally not flip flopping on your own takes. LOL. Okay.

LOL. “I don’t dislike this story. It evokes no emotions in me. Here’s 20 paragraphs explaining in great detail the issues I have with the manga.”

Also you:
‘I don’t like adult X minor relationships.’
‘ I don’t like THIS story because it’s an adult X minor relationship that doesn’t introduce anything new to the concept’
‘This mangaka is PROMOTING adult X minor relationships and it’s problematic and nobody should write about it’

LOL. To quote you: “Pick a struggle.”

I'm not flip flopping, this whole time I've been saying that my issue is that the relationship is presented in a positive light. This means, genius of the century that u r, that if the relationship is presented realistically that my issue disappears. Even after i pointed out that all u do is strawman u still can't do anything else huh?

Bro, I've already said I've been arguing w ppl bc I'm bored (u clearly don't believe me but that's ur problem) and I'm doing it in *this* comment section bc based on the way ppl supporting it were commenting i knew they'd engage w me. And i was right too lmao.

Also, how r those "struggles" different. They're all the same sweetie and all boil down to the thing I've been saying over and over and over again which is that I DON'T THINK GROOMING SHOULD BE DEPICTED IN A POSITIVE WAY. I rlly don't understand y this is such a bizarre take to u guys, like u'd think it'd be pretty obvious

Also love how u didn't answer my question. It's clear that u only have a set number of stock answers that u've picked up from other... ppl, I'll be nice and call them ppl, and can only stick to them bc u don't understand anything behind the reasoning of those arguments, so there's no way for u to modify them.

You flipped your stance again. Which is kind of ruining the fun.

You said that, “…y does the ml have to be an adult and the mc's teacher? It adds nothing to the plot bc the mangaka doesn't explore any of the themes that come along w a "relationship" like this. To sum it up IT'S NOT WRITTEN WELLl”

And THEN said, “I'm not flip flopping, this whole time I've been saying that my issue is that the relationship is presented in a positive light.”

Do you take a moment and figure out what your actual beef with the manga is and then let me know. :) Preferably in one comment next time instead of three because, I’ll be honest, I couldn’t be bothered to read the rest of what you wrote with how you type.

Where is my flip in stance? If the mangaka explored the themes that come along w grooming then the relationship wouldn't be portrayed positively anymore bc u know power imbalance, exploitation and emotional abuse aren't exactly nice things. This is the last time I'm explaining this bc it's clear ur mentally and intellectually challenged and i found smth rlly interesting to read ("i became a god in a horror game", I rec it if ur looking for a death game uf bl light novel)

Oh and there's nothing wrong w the way i type, it's just that u can't read to save ur life. As for the reason I had more than one comment is bc I was replying to 2 of urs? The fact ur even picking on that proves u have nothing else left to say ^^

You were replying to comments I didn’t even direct at you lol. And if you want people to take you or your argument seriously, try expressing your stance without insulting others? It’s obvious this is some moral superiority thing you’re after and I don’t really feel like playing into it. If you’re looking to feel better than others, sure. You’re morally superior because you’re upset with something portrayed in a Japanese manga to fictional characters. Kudos to you.

But thanks for the recommendation! I enjoy BL so I’ll check it out!

Me insulting or not insulting someone (which i didn't, or at least not before someone else insulted me) has no bearing on the validity of my argument. And tbh I'd argue it's more of an intelectual superiority than morality on my part but think what u want. Once again, I'm not upset lmao. I just think it's badly done and i expressed that.

And no problem, hope u like it :).

It does though. I never insulted you but you were quick to insult me. It might be something to think about next time if you want someone to see things from your perspective. If you insult them off the bat, nobody is going to listen to anything you say. Especially if you’re claiming to be more intellectual than others since throwing out insults at others in an argument shows you’re not confident in your own stance. Good luck!

... it literally doesn't. Don't try to give me advice abt arguing when ur unable to construct a sound argument. Also *I* was quick to insult u? Re-evaluate. Additionally, I wasn't trying to get any of u to change ur opinions lol

Forgot to add

Forgot to add, never insulted u. Read back my comments and see

Oh, sweetheart. You said, “I'm explaining this bc it's clear ur mentally and intellectually challenged” among other things.

I think it’s obvious you’re a troll now lol. That’s on me for not realizing you were full of it until now. Feel free to say wherever else but I’m not feeding the troll anymore and will be muting you. Loool.

It's not among other things, that's the only *remotely* insulting thing I've said and that was in retaliation to u insulting *me*, ergo what i said still stands. Also, I'll admit it's a quite a harsh thing to say to someone like u who's probably rlly young but u rlly haven't shown any evidence of deeper thinking so what other conclusion was i supposed to come to?

Additionally, I love how u don't even bother to come up w valid retorts anymore. Quite frankly, "ur just doing this to feel morally superior", "ur trolling" and whatever else of the type u've said is irrelevant to the content of what I've been saying. Finally, u blocking me is such a loser move lmao

You two clearly take your time and slug it out for your dignity lol I’m totally speechless :D Sorry if my comment made all the fuss ^^’

I didn’t even block you LOL. I just put your comments in mute because, as your name suggests, you were a nightmare to talk to. I probably should have blocked you though. Looool

I couldn't reply to u so i assumed u did but if u say so ig I'll take u at ur word. Also thank u <3, i always strive to live up to my username lmao

Nah bro it wasn't ur comment, I'm sure me and mausi would've argued either way lol

Lolol one day you woke up and choose the chaos. Have fun guys :D

Wow. Pretending someone blocked you is the true loser move LOL

Oof after all these days ur still mad lmao. I'm rlly flattered that I have such an effect on u lol. And i didn't pretend, I genuinely couldn't reply to u so maybe it was just an error on my end or u did block me but then unblocked me bc i made fun of u for it (personally the 2nd option seems more likely)

Lol

Yeah, the art in the beginning was better