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Their "love" is based on sex. What did you expect? ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

No i hate rape in yaoo and am very sensitive about it but this wasnt rape. At one point Ryan says "why are you always ceyong when we have sex" or something along those lines. Leads us to believe that its a common occurence and just something normal. Though yes i would have LOVED an actua
talking scene

Pretty sure he cried during all the times they had sex because it never really was consented (tho some might say it's because it "felt too good"). I mean, sure, the witch had sex with him, but he didn't actually want it. He just did it cuz he had to (you might even call this rape imo)

And then he somehow ends up falling in love with him (￣∇￣")

Although im pretty sure Noah had already fallen for Ryan by then (thus meaning it was consensual) ill have to read again to be sure. Im very sensitive towards rape in yaoi and would have dropped it immediately if Ryan raped Noah.

I dont think Noah always cries bc it feels too good, but also because of his own emotional turmoil. He has a lot of things on his mind including his love for ryan so it gets overwhelming

I'm not trying to be provocative - I'm really not, I swear - but just for clarification, you can be in love with someone and still have them rape you. Just because you're in love doesn't mean unwavering consent in any instance.
Just a thought. No comment on the manwha, I just wanted to say.

Definitely. I agree. Often people think that boyfriends/girlfriends cant rape their significant other but yes they can.

Im pretty sure it's not about whether or not consent was involved, but it's rather about the feeling of Noah's guilt and painful memories being brought up while interacting (not even having sex but interacting) with Ryan.

I personally don't think their sex scene was a rape or ever were BUT lets say that Ryan wants more Noah for his body and Noah wants Ryan because I guess he likes to be cared for that's why he lets Ryan do him whenever wherever and however he wants. Why I wanted for them to talk is to see why Noah loves Ryan, why Ryan couldn't stop searching for him, I wanted to see them proving that their relationship isn't all about sex and it's about their true feelings and wishes to be together for each other...(sorry hopeless romantic here wants to see some strong true love haha) ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

Also, I believe Noah cried cuz Ryan doesn't recognize him from the childhood and doesn't love him the way he does :/

Same here, I know the story's pretty twisted for now but I know it'll work out (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

It's nor just that "he doesn't like pizza", it's that now the food is a memory of their past, when Kyung-soo did feel happy at the time, but now realises that even then, there was control issues. Yule ordered the food when they were together, and this being Kyung-soo's first relationship, he thought he should agree and go along with things. Yule thinks that Kyung-soo liked certain food, such as the pizza due to the memories he has of him being pleased, so he in his simplistic logic, wants to replicate this, return to this, buy presenting him with the same foods. But obviously things can't go back, nor were they ever ideal. It's only the scene where Yule cooks a sit down meal himself, that there is growth on his part, but once again it does come off as rather mechanical.

i cant believe u wrote this long comment just to explain the pizza thing. I get that pizza reminds him of how he had to eat it with yule just becuz he wanted it but the point is still the same, Kyungso doeasn't like pizza. He didn't like it when he ate it in the past with Yule and he doesn't like it now (maybe even more becuz of the memories and all)

Kyung-soo is also trying to claim some defiance, even if he did enjoy pizza, he would deny this as part of their power game, why should he act all sweet and grovel to someone who has abused him? Kyung-soo's identity was defined by Yule, his food choices, his clothing. Kyung-soo now has the insight to understand this, he wont allow himself to be ordered about like that again. The crux is, that Yule doesn't seem to have the capacity to understand that his behaviour is abusive, he controlled Kyung-soo because that's what he thought a relationship should be like "I like pizza so I want to share this with you" "I like you in bright colours, so wear this' and Kyung-soo wanted to impress his first boyfriend so just went along with things. Yule does have occasions where he listens to Kyung-soo's concerns and tries a new approach, but ultimately it's always about Yule having Kyung-soo, rather than a more egalitarian relationship. Kyung-soo isn't a doormat, he's grown up since they first met, and now maybe is more understanding of how ill Yule is, and his family environment. That doesn't mean he isn't frustrated by him, or hates him, that doesn't mean he feels he can't leave him. If the focus concentrated more on the main characters, then this could have been explored better/more in depth rather than we seeing more of their new dynamic in this what if chapter, especially concerning Yule's thought processes.

(Apologies if this comment is too long? I've just been used to being involved in conversations where we post more detailed criticism and thoughts about the 'what if" chapters and overall plot).

Lol, I was expecting a cat shaped pizza. But well, Kyung Soo told Yule he doesn't eat street food because it's dirty. Here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hogu_hagyeongsu/mf/iur_chapter-34/pg-4/

We all have varying levels of attention span. It's admirable that you took the time out to analyze the endings and gave your inputs. Some people just want the straightforward answer. Just so you know, most people are biased about Yule so yeah, they will disregard his assholery and see him as cute offering pizza to an ungrateful Kyung Soo. Yule doesn't know one thing about what Kyung Soo liked. He even put spam in soybean soup because that's what he liked. That's how shallow their relationship was.

Actually, Yule knows he's abusive but guess what abusers do to their victim? They manipulate. The two will never have an equalized relationship or happy ending because Kyung Soo will never forgive Yule and Yule knows that, that's why he's sweeping things under the rug and trying to create a false domestic setting with him.

Could be wrong but I think it was Kyung-soo just agreeing with Yule, which was their dynamic at the time?
- K) "Wow, they are already selling Taiyaki! Should we get some Yule?" (obv. wants it)
- Y) "I don't eat street food, it's dirty..." (snob)
- K) "Oh, that's right! I remember!" "I don't really like them either!"(Kyung-soo being gaslighted, so he agrees with Yule rather than just carry on with his own conviction over something so simple as street food)

What's maybe interesting, is that Yule remembered this interaction years after, and also understood that Kyung-soo was lying when he said he didn't want the cake anymore. Whether Yule is able to understand that Kyung-soo lied (on lot's of occasions like this) because he was being gaslighted, controlled, or wanted to impress someone who he loved is still up for debate. Maybe not as because he thinks Kyung-soo likes a certain food, he repeats treating him to it, expecting him to be be grateful or have the same emotions to it that he had previously.

You're right. I got the definition of street food wrong. Lol, I thought Kyung Soo was complaining that street foods (eg. pizza, hot dogs, etc) were dirty but actually it was Yule who said that. Damn, I couldn't read the snobby tone that belonged to Yule, lol. Gaslighting same as manipulating? I thought gaslighting was used solely by narcissists. Hmm. Thanks for the clarification with that scene.

Yule remembered about the taiyaki buns because it was the only thing Kyung Soo accepted from him. Kyung Soo rejected and questioned Yule's efforts with everything. Sick when you think about it, he gave Kyung Soo those buns as a parting gift before he left him to be raped by his brother for 5 straight days. Surprised that Kyung Soo did not associate taiyaki buns with that. Oh well, he is simple-minded when it comes to taiyaki, lol.