If you think the seme is gonna suffer a lot for what he did to Hangyul, he's not, I'm sorry. There's like ONE MINUTE of confrontation and then boom, they're having sex again lmao. It's very unsatisfying.
NOOO i was hoping for him to cry and beg on his knees
Same, I wanted a chasing arc but no, we get one pathetic "jealousy" scene, one minute of confrontation, and then they make up and have sex. Absolutely no significant character development from both sides. Everything is brushed under the rug. Seme even tries to sleep with someone else before going to confront Hangyul like... basically the only motivation for him to want Hangyul back was because he was horny.
NOOO THATS SO LAMEEEE this gangster is USELESSS
This is so ridiculous I'm not even mad, I just cackled after reading that I can't take ts seriously anymore
"Do you think we're boyfriends now or something" I'm gonna need you to make up your mind my dude because if not then please leave the uke alone. Thanks!
lmao
I have zero pity for the ML. Get your annoying sadboi ass away from innocent people. The MC deserves better. I'm not gonna read the next chapters because I can smell the "they still end up together" ending from miles away. In my mind the MC has self-respect and leaves the ML alone to wallow in his own misery <3
To be honest I think it would be better if the snip pushes through and their bond is cut off. Because then it'll be easier for them to heal and actually fall for each other. Being bonded means pheromones play a huge part on their feelings and attraction towards each other, so it's easy to blame the uke's submission to the alpha on pheromones. If they're not bonded then the uke would be just a bit more in control of himself and that would really do wonders for the story.
And to those who ship Doyeon and Daehyung in the comments, I totally understand y'all. On that same note, it would've made sense if the author also introduced a character that was ACTUALLY interested in Yiyoung other than Daehyung. Because since the beginning of the story, we've been told no one's ever really fallen in love with Yiyoung other than Daehyung, which is odd because doesn't author explicitly say that Yiyoung is extremely good looking? How come he is never genuinely hit on by anyone, then? Am I the only one who finds it odd?
That girl who is doing a school project with Yiyoung is interested in Yiyoung but neither Yiyoung knows because he is so in love with director
That's just a crush. No one has actively pursued him before? With that face card? And with how kind he is? Idk it's just something I've noticed in a lot of Korean manhwas. The author glazes how good-looking and adorable the uke is, but for some reason they have never been in a relationship. Never been properly loved. The seme however has dated and made love to everything that has legs.
No I remember the uke saying he has dated I mean he had sex flings but they were all toxic so
Didn't he said all the guys he git with told him he was plain and boring after being w him?
No je said that to himself because he compared seme exes with him
For some reason the logical part of my brain started overpowering my yaoi-colored lenses while reading this and, well, I now agree that Yiyoung should gain more experience/date around a bit before committing to Daehyung for life. Like Yiyoung said, it's not about the age gap but the vast experience Daehyung has compared to him. Daehyung has already lived such a full life, Yiyoung has barely lived his. He is literally just starting. That imbalance is bound to cause problems in the future, as evidenced by Yiyoung's insecure moments and Daehyung's struggle to reassure him properly. I still do ship them by yaoi logic, but realistically, I'd want Yiyoung to enjoy his youth first.
I don't understand how is a beautiful thing to have many dating experiences. I'm 27 and I've been single my whole life and I want to have just one boyfriend in my life. It's such a beautiful thing that Yiyoung found director in his early twenties so he can have a beautiful and fulfilling life with him. Dating many assholes, getting disappointed by others meanwhile he has a man that to be honest has been so good to him. No I think he better skip all the bad part and be happy with director. Yiyoung had many one night stands with guys which asked him to pay more for the hotel room , another guy said that Yiyoung has a decent face but nothing else.
If you've only ever dated trash, the bare minimum would seem like princess treatment. That's why Yiyoung is so head over heels for Daehyung over the littlest things. I didn't say he should sleep around like he used to do, I'm saying it would be nice if he has a bit more experience in healthy dating before committing to man 15 years older than him. Like I said, I'm speaking not through yaoi logic, but realistically. And realistically, a relationship between a 38 year old and a 23 year old would be imbalanced.
But that's purely a hypothetical situation. "He should got in a healthy relationship with someone his age" it's not like he can just *do* that
He didn't sleep around bc he felt like it, he just couldn't find partners who wanted a serious relationship and not just sex.
The idea that you should throw away smth you have bc you should experience smth that you may not get bc it involves a third party appearing its just hopeful thinking
I get why you say it's inbalance but that also applies to relationship in which one its just more naive than the other regardless of age, yet they all can still work as long as they can communicate and work through their differences
When Shao Qun said: "It's my first time falling in love. You have to allow me to make mistakes." Funny how it was also Chengxiu's first time falling in love and yet he would have NEVER done that to you !
In cases where the uke is kinda blinded by love like Hangyul and the seme is toxic like Eunhan, who are you usually angry at more? The uke for being dumb or the seme for being an asshole?
Because I was ranting to my friend about doormat ukes and how much I wish they'd have self-respect instead of staying with the toxic seme and he was like, "You should hate on the toxic seme. Not the victim."
Chat I was speechless!!! What should I reply back oh my gosh I hate being wrong lmao
In this case, the toxic seme. Because, you know, when you fall hard in love, you can't see all the atrocities that your loved one do with you or with the other people. And I hope the toxic relationship ends and the uke finds someone who respects and trully loves him. Example: Doronuma.
I was about to say this. Agreeable
How are you going to be mad at someone for being stupid over someone who is intentionally hurting others? Frustration from the outside looking in is normal because everyone always thinks “well that’s not how I would have handled that” but to be full on mad at the victim over the manipulator is a little … like if you have a friend who’s dating a shitty person are you going to be mad at your friend? Or are you going to hate their partner?
True, thank you for this perspective! I usually hate on toxic semes, but sometimes it gets a little frustrating when the uke is too desperate to realize they deserve better :')
Uhhh ok lmao first of all from which part of my post did you get "full on mad at the victim"??? Are you... okay? Why are YOU mad? That's embarrassing lmaoooo projection is an odd thing! I was just "ranting" to my friend because I wanted the uke to have "self-respect" in case you forgot how to read <3
Yeah, it's so frustrating that the uke can't see that the other one is toxic. All we can do is hope that the relationship ends and uke has a happy ending with someone else.
the uke is supposed to be emotionally detached but the way he keeps being desperate for the seme is just so disappointing... seme obviously wants a push and pull game and you'd think the uke is experienced enough to see through the bs but no, he just ends up being head over heels for the seme, just like taeshin was. even their sex scene in chapter 37 was underwhelming. will we ever get an emotionally detached uke that stays bad ass till the end? no? okay........
P.S. euihyun from LTIT is an exception btw!! he fell in love but he was badass till the end
Preach love preach !
What is LTIT?
Low tide in twilight
im in chapter 27, so i dont know how far the raws you read
But I just want to say something since I relate with the uke, i suffer from detached attachment style but I do have moments where I long for someone (either shown externally, or illustrated by the arts through thoughts) and it can extend to a period of time, usually the feelings eventually disappear as the relationship turns serious.
"supposed to be emotionally detached" doesn't always apply on all scenarios, it depends on the situation and who's that person. I get get emotionally invested for whatever reasons and be detached eventually.
I personally like seeing his struggles and the way he thinks or acts because I relate to him alot, his logic resonates with my insecurity (?) probably. In real life, we are not just a trope that are supposed to stay in character. So I think this story is realistic or at least the artist is trying to show the complexity of such attachment style.
I understand that you would feel that way because you relate to the uke and I respect that. I myself have avoidant attachment (although my doctor doesn't call it that) among the myriad of personality and psychological issues I was diagnosed with.
But I am not just referring to that. I am referring to the uke's cynicism, suspicion, and apprehension towards the seme being thrown out the window just because of the sexual tension and the promise of a good dicking down. I believe as a reader I am allowed to be frustrated by such changes in the uke's behavior, in the same way I might feel frustrated if a friend of mine in real life starts dating a red flag with criminal tendencies just because he's hot.
"referring to the uke's cynicism, suspicion, and apprehension towards the seme being thrown out the window just because of the sexual tension and the promise of a good dicking down."
And for this reason, you're frustrated that the character is no longer "emotionally detached" when he's "supposed" to. You also want the uke "to remain badass until the end."
I'm not against your wish to express your disappointment for what you wish to see in fiction since I also want to express my disagreement on your criticsm.
Moving on, based on what you said, it's also seems like you refuse to see the vulnerabilities in a character. You and I share the same condition, but we may navigate through it differently.
You seem to forget that MC have unhealthy relationship with sex and doesn't have good mentality for self-respect/self-defense. I'm not arguing either you can be promiscuous or not, MC just fail to reach a healthy boundary for himself. He can for others (since he refused sex for his friend's pride.), but not at himself (with other men who also don't really respect him or at least, loved him properly.)
He's a character that's emotionally detached with an unhealthy sex habit. Additionally, he doesn't have healthy relationship with his family, let alone the adult around him (he had sexual/romantic dynamic with his teacher when he was a student.)
It's easy to be emotionally detached, but not when someone just knows how to pull your string. Like what the ML is doing here, treating him right (what he's silently looking for) + teasing him for sex (what he's addicted/coping with.)
I'm can relate to him. I can act cool and be smart, yet, still a victim to someone who knows how to treat me right and promise me good sex (I have unhealthy connection with sex). People saw me as someone who's confident, smart, and have leadership qualities. But? All of that "cool" qualities went down to trash. I was stupid, I lose rational thinking and my pride,because like the MC, I'm emotionally detached not only towards others, but also myself.
MC caught my attention because he was cool, even if he's at a vulnerable state, it only made me root for him more.
I did get out of my situation and I'm invested to see how MC will stand up for himself in the future. Thus, the story is "realistic" for me so far.
We can agree to disagree.
I'm sorry but uhhh why did this become about you? Easy there on the projection bro LMAOOO. "You refuse to see vulnerabilities in a character" wow. The mental gymnastics lol. I just get frustrated seeing characters act stupid, you know, like a normal person? Hope this helps!
You're CLEARLY project way too much onto this fictional piece of media, so much so that you really took your time to compose this emotional think piece to try and make other people's opinion seem invalid under the guise of "agreeing to disagree."
I suggest you get therapy instead getting emotional and forcing unsolicited essays onto people on the internet. Have a nice day!
I'm sorry but uhhh why did this become about you? Easy there on the projection bro LMAOOO. "You refuse to see vulnerabilities in a character" wow. The mental gymnastics lol. I just get frustrated seeing characters act stupid, you know, like a normal person? Hope this helps!
You're CLEARLY projecting way too much onto this fictional piece of media, so much so that you really took your time to compose this emotional think piece to try and make other people's opinion seem invalid under the guise of "agreeing to disagree."
I suggest you get therapy instead of getting emotional and forcing unsolicited essays onto people on the internet. Have a nice day!
Forcing "Unsolicited Essay" is not my intention, you left a public comment criticising a story, did you not expect people to disagree with you?
Just because I'm expressing my disagreement, doesn't mean I'm forcing it to you. I don't know why and how you see it that way , there's a reason why I put "We can agree to disagree", means I respect your opinion. There's no malice.
The point of my comment is basically to say that, you may wish the character to remain cool in the end, but there's something good to see a character being vulnerable at some point.
None of my words were trying to insult you. Even if I say "you refuse to see", that's just me criticising your perspective. Critics doesn't mean insult.
I first began by talking about how realistic his detachment is by using myself as an example. Indeed, I was 'projecting' myself but I only mentioned it to illustrate how relatable his actions were.
But, when you said that we're going through the same boat, I decided to talk about the character's weakness further. Why? I said, "We may navigate differently", meaning to say, "I don't know how you handle it. From my experience, this is what I went through and why I think the character is the way he is at the moment."
I don't know exactly how you perceive this. But I don't mean to invalidate your struggle or make a pity party for me. When I wrote that, I was actually expecting you to talk about your experience in return because in the first place, I brought up 'detached attachment' to explain his behavior, which we both have.
You're talking about how the character is not cool anymore, so I argued it might be because of the character's weakness. Hence why my essay is 'emotional' because we're talking about the character's vulnerability. When people are in their low, they act 'stupid'. You don't like that the character is acting 'stupid', and I'm not stopping you, what I'm simply doing is talking about 'why' the character is 'stupid'. It is not to invalidate your frustration or me forcing my opinion onto you.
Point being, our differing preference for the character's action is the only disagreement I have with you. The rest is me talking about the nuances of why he's like that. Again, it is not me forcing you to take my words.
I apologise if I sounded rude or act emotional in my response because those were never my intention. I believe I failed to reflect that in my words. Again, we can agree to disagree but let's refrain from insulting each other.
Sorry but I'm not reading all of that. I expect people to disagree with my public comment, not make it about themselves, thanks!
And I WILL call out conflicting behavior, especially with the way you're backtracking now as if you just wanted a conversation with me when OBVIOUSLY you were on your high horse when you said "In real life, we are not just a trope that are supposed to stay in character" in your 1st comment, implying I was doing just that, thinking real people fit into tropes.
I'm not dense in picking up conversational tones, and I'm no stranger to nuance as you keep bringing up in your replies. Try owning up to how you REALLY feel and what you really want to convey, because you're not fooling anyone. Anyway, I've said my peace. Have fun talking to the wall!
Sorry but I'm not reading all of that. I expect people to disagree with my public comment, not make it about themselves, thanks!
And I WILL call out conflicting behavior, especially with the way you're backtracking now as if you just wanted a conversation with me when OBVIOUSLY you were on your high horse when you said "In real life, we are not just a trope that are supposed to stay in character" in your 1st comment, implying I was doing just that, thinking real people fit into tropes.
I'm not dense in picking up conversational tones, and I'm no stranger to nuance as you keep bringing up in your replies. Try owning up to how you REALLY feel and what you really want to convey, because you're not fooling anyone. Anyway, I've said my peace. Have fun talking to the wall!