He needs to controlled his emotions , the last chapters were so unnecessary. Like you legit assault him??
The whole “toxic trope” doesn’t always have to wrap around grape. It’s annoying, like poor Dan, only good thing about this, is the art.
And such a violent and brutal rape too...
JK is just a bundle of rage and violence ready to explode. He doesn't have any other personality traits, he's just beating up other people or raping them
Right!! A lot of people look over dans trauma. And they only justify JK for his attractiveness ??if JK was drawn as a fatter,hairy ,old ,weird male, the fandom would be totally different.
Didn’t he give consent? He signed a full blown contract with JK in the beginning that JK can F him whenever wherever and however he wants cause he’s paying him 15k a month. Can he gentler hell yea but Dan quite literally signed a deal. ( This is every similar to a sugar baby life style) once money is transferred and your time has been bought you don’t get to say no. A deal is a deal. Nor was it a loan, he paid Dan more then what Dan asked for. JK paid his grandmas hospital bills never tacked it on as a debt or taken out of his salary nor told him he ever had to pay it back he just did it. JK is an asshole and a bit of a brute so I truly look forward to his character development BUT it does bother me that everyone seems to completely forget about the deal that was struck in the very beginning of the story and how Dan quite literally signed up for this. Their relationship is transactional. Dan got swept up HOPING JK would be better then he is ( I wanna see the groveling trust me)
JK took advantage of the situation, he knew dan needed the money. Kim dan needed the money so he sold his body to JK. And as JK said he paid to hospital bills to make things more easier for him. Like in the beginning of the story JK didn’t care if Dan had bruises or was just beaten, he still grape him. In the chapters where JK was drunk it showed that that was the only time JK really asked for permission. It still in fact is grape, because if Dan had money he wouldn’t have sold his body off.
Whenever they did it the first time, it was shown how depressed Dan got after it, he just laid in bed and didn’t answer his phone when it contacted, Dan has said that he hated it multiple times through the series and it was shown he couldn’t even get hard , and when he did he got disgusted from himself. Dan was so poor he had to turn to sell his body to JK. After the chapter of Dan and JK having sex, it was shown how Dan has misunderstood everything about sex and he finally experienced “love”(sex).
JK didn’t take advantage. He didn’t know Dan needed money. He learned after. JK did care about the bruises. He saved him from the loan sharks. He never rape Dan. It is in fact sexual assault and sexual coercion. You can have the perspective it is rape but stop forcing your opinion on others who considers the details of the story instead of twisting them for your personal narrative. You can’t claim that last sentence. You are not the writer.
Dan had a night of rough sex when he was a virgin. Dan is a Sexual Assault survivor. Dan returned to JK knowing how it will be. He did say it. He thought it. But he has thought other things. For him to hate sex and being a sexual assault survivor it is natural for him not to have an hard on. Plus, he started to have those feelings with the first time but he did not allow himself to let go. You are changing the details to your narrative and ignoring many things about the story and things about Dan. When will we talk about Jinx from Mingwa? Instead of pseudo Jinx.
I understand your points and frustrations. Rape is a hideous crime.
In this case, It's important to carefully consider the details and context of a situation before labeling it as rape. Terms like sexual assault and sexual coercion are more accurate. It's always helpful to have a clear understanding of these terms and their implications.
We have to understand reality and fantasy isn’t the same thing. People hates murder and watches murder mysteries. these stories with SA and/or rape most are not promoting rape or SA. A rape fantasy isn’t about rape.
I will post links from my friends to support this.
Dan was coerced and threatened into having sex. Jaekyung knew from the very first night that Dan was a virgin, yet pressured him into a false confession in order for him to avoid going easy on him. Coercion and threat = rape. You can have the perspective it is not rape but stop forcing your opinion on others who considers the details of the story instead of twisting them for your personal narrative. You are not the writer.
Cyberstalker Notice.
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We want to ensure the safety and well-being of all members, so we're providing some guidance on how to recognize and handle this issue.
What is Cyberstalking?
Cyberstalking involves using online platforms to harass, intimidate, or deceive others. This behavior can take many forms, including impersonation, spreading false information, and manipulation.
How to Recognize Cyberstalking:
Persistent attempts to impersonate or deceive others.
Spreading false information or rumors to tarnish someone's reputation.
Manipulative tactics aimed at controlling or intimidating individuals.
Creating multiple fake accounts to harass or stalk specific individuals.
What to Do if You Encounter Cyberstalking:
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Whenever Dan was drugged with the same shake, I used the word drugged, JK grape him, Dan was not in to a sober state he was drugged, it was very obvious he was drugged, instead of JK doing the right which is to help him, he instead took advantage of Dan when he was drugged. A person who isn’t sober can’t not give consent!! I’m not enforcing my opinions or anything, it’s simple facts, the story is horrible.
There are multiple people that overlook dans trauma, what Dan went through is marital rape. Dan was treated just like object, just because JK helped Dan’s with his grandma hospital bills doesn’t justify his actions.
JK is an awful character, and he in fact did sa Dan, I’m not enforcing my opinions onto no one, you’re right I’m not the writer but a reader with their own opinion. Like I said before just because JK did something that help Dan doesn’t justify his actions!
NOOOO!!!! STOP QUESTIONING MY VIEWS!!! I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT WHAT JAEKYUNG DID WAS NOT RAPE!!! SO WHEN I DO IT, IT WON'T BE EITHER!!!!
What??? I’m sorry but it is SA, JK could’ve treated Dan way more better, there were mutiple times JK was a an ahole, like whenever he dump soda on him, or when kept on yelling at him etc
That is the cyberstalker not the other individual talking to you.
No it is not. It's not SA, it's not rape. Stop forcing your false views onto me.
It’s literally the truth. You’re just a weirdo that isn’t able recognize SA . Brother eughh ….. please be more self aware!! You are one of those people overlooking dans trauma.
You are raising some complex issues. Dan was drugged with an aphrodisiac and not a narcotic. Aphrodisiacs purportedly enhance sexual desire or performance, but their actual effects vary widely, and many claims are anecdotal rather than scientifically proven. While aphrodisiacs are commonly depicted in fiction, their effectiveness in real life is often debated and lacks scientific consensus.
Legal Definitions of Rape: Legal definitions of rape and sexual assault vary by jurisdiction and may not specifically address situations involving aphrodisiacs. In some cases, the use of substances to impair someone's judgment or ability to consent may be considered a form of sexual assault, regardless of whether the substance is classified as an aphrodisiac or a narcotic. Legal definitions of rape and sexual assault vary by jurisdiction and may not specifically address situations involving aphrodisiacs. However, in some cases, the use of substances to impair someone's judgment or ability to consent could be considered a form of sexual assault, regardless of the substance's classification.
They do have an agreement to have sex the night before the match. Dan initially consented to sexual activity. Would the use of an aphrodisiac impair his consent when they don't work in reality. JK had sex as they planned. JK knew something was wrong and not that he was drugged by an aphrodisiac that enhances sexual desire. He could had taken him to the hospital but maybe he did the right thing? His actions does raise ethical considersation but he was not aware of Dan's state. He can't read the pages like you.
He did not take advantage bc he did not even know he was drugged.
Yes, a person who is not sober can't give consent. Chapter 44. The special. your opinions on this matter are valid, but it's essential to recognize that they may not align with universally accepted facts or legal definitions. Each individual's perspective on this scenario may vary, and it's crucial to approach discussions on sensitive topics like this with empathy, understanding, and respect for differing viewpoints.
If the comment is saying something weird, offensive, or outrageous, it is the cyberstalker and not the first individual who started to talk to you. Do not engage with the cyberstalker.
it is crucial to recognize that many individuals may overlook Dan's trauma and character because they fail to understand that he is a survivor of sexual assault. The person who initiated this conversation has consulted with a rape crisis counselor and is fully aware of Dan's traumatic experiences. Additionally, it's important to clarify that what occurred between Dan and JK does not fit the definition of marital rape, especially considering they do not have a formal relationship, they had none.
Regarding the assertion that Dan was treated as an object, it's essential to consider all perspectives and evidence presented in the story. While Dan's point of view is significant, it's not the sole perspective available.The story does provide clues saying otherwise.
Furthermore, the mention of JK assisting with Dan's grandmother's hospital bills is irrelevant to that comment and even so, does not serve to justify any actions. They were not trying to justify any actions.
Let's focus on understanding the complexities of Dan's experiences and avoid making unfounded assumptions or judgments.
JK being awful or not is your opinion. The comment you are replying to said "It is in fact sexual assault and sexual coercion. (but not rape)" and they added "Terms like sexual assault and sexual coercion are more accurate. " and you are saying "he in fact did SA. " With that, no one will feel like you listen to them and they will think you are looking for a fight and pushing your opinions instead of listening. I am sorry but you are forcing your opinions here. No one is trying to justify anything that can be seen as deflecting instead of admitting the truth. it is important to distinguished between personal opinions and factual analysis. We need more respectful dialogue and mutual understanding rather than pushing personal beliefs onto others
My other account is Safety Sentinel. You are talking to one person. I also oftentimes use Chatgpt just like in my previous replies. Call me a rape defender but I will stand firm on my opinion that Jaekyung never raped Dan.
It's unsettling that there's a belief we are all one person when, in reality, there are three distinct individuals involved. It's important to clarify that there is a clear difference between the targets and the cyberstalkers. By forcing your viewpoint on others, you're disregarding their individual perspectives and autonomy. It's concerning that there's a failure to acknowledge the instances of sexual assault (SA) in the story, but it's not productive to personally attack those with differing opinions. Instead of making assumptions about people's intentions, it would be more beneficial to engage in constructive dialogue and explain our viewpoints. Resorting to personal attacks only degrades the conversation and hinders any chance of mutual understanding.
it cut two sentences off. However, I don't think I have seen anyone genuinely claim that. There is a difference in between genuine opinions and malicious intent.
This ^ is the last comment from them and they only made three comments. The rest is the cyberstalker. Two different people. They are both impersonating the real Morning Diamonds. One is defending MD and other is cyberstalking MD.
This person diamond whatever is a troll, don't reply to them. They're defending rape and making bs reasoning under almost every comment. Just report, block and ignore them.
You're totally right, Jk is a rapist pos, he's a total sociopath that lacks any humanity.
There are two [I love Morning Diamonds aka me} here in this thread. There are four accounts that look alike and all are different persons behind those accounts. None of them are "trolls". Two are cyberstalkers. One is the real one who has not commented in 3 weeks. And the one defending the real one. No one has been making comments on every comment.
it's important to refrain from making sweeping accusations without evidence. No one is defending rape, and it's inaccurate to label someone as a troll without understanding their perspective. It's essential to engage in respectful dialogue and address disagreements constructively rather than resorting to name-calling or assumptions to enforce your viewpoint. It is your opinion that he is one and that is okay and it is okay to only see SA and call him a sexual abuser. Start accepting others will have a different pov than you instead of spreading misinformation and making harmful assumptions, labeling people who want productive conversations.
Let's focus on fostering understanding and productive conversations rather than making unfounded accusations.
if you click on this link from this one https://www.mangago.zone/home/people/3699209/ You will see February 17, 2024 and they are raising awareness about cyberstalking. They only made the first 3 comments.
This is the one defending the real one from the baseless accusations.
If you click on comment from I love Morning Diamonds aka me June 1, 2024 3:48 am and after you will see Join on:
February 21, 2024 They are malicious, they will claim to be "trolling" the real one. https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/15782941/
This one is the cyberstalker. They will spreading false information or rumors to tarnish our reputation.
sarcat is spreading that false rumors to harm others rep because of different pov. They are part of that group.
I doubt it is a misunderstanding or being gaslighted by cyberstalkers because of something they wrote.
I am happy you tried to discuss the topics with Bam. You were insightful. You are 100% right.
I am happy you tried to discuss the topics with Bam. I think this shows you tried to share information to help Bam understand. Keep it up.
This story is very cute! It’s definitely a short 1season story. It’s okay paced,I definitely don’t see this manhwa having 50+ chaps.
I read the first page and saw “cousin “ and automatically left itand read the comments saving myself :p
Well I thought I just read it wrong and/or mistranslation ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ
I’m actually crying so bad even tho it was all smut but I remember reading this when it first came out☹
This story is so freakin cute, definitely a worth read!! No toxic, no misunderstanding, I’m glad there’s communication!!!!