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Deon it's 3am, time for your daily trauma

best waifu? nah, best wall (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Cz he's legit the best

It DOES justify her being ignorant. She was NEVER given a chance to learn about the oppressed people, she didn't even know they existed. She was manipulated from birth to NEVER question anything.She never had a lead to actually start questioning anything, because she was bred to be a 'demure' lady. At least now, that she was given a lead, she tries her best to help because she's no longer ignorant. She doesn't do 'nothing'.
And yes, it's true that they're both victims, but Heiner is also an abuser. People are free to hate him for his actions while at the same time empathizing with him for his past and ONLY that. Because his current actions are and will always be inexcusable.
Annette should NOT be blamed for her ignorance because she didn't have neither a lead nor the means to question anything. He father controlled her life and what went through her ears. She never had the 'ways' you're talking about.

Also, there's zero indication in any of the panels and the novel that she knew anything. You 'feeling' that she knew isn't a proof. If anything, in the novel and the webtoon it was clearly shown that she didn't even have a basic understanding of the world outside the manor. There's zero indication that she knew and she ignored it.

Also forgot to add(sorry for the many paragraphs): The novel and the webtoon is called my 'beloved oppressor' for a reason, Heiner was wrote to be an infuriating, grey character on purpose, so it's not that surprising people would hate him. He's an unfair, abusive character to someone that doesn't deserve it for the sake of the plot until he gets redeemed. Annette is the usual example of the oppressed part of the upper class, especially as a woman, who pays for the wrongdoings of the people that truly make the decisions. Even if she knew (which she didn't), she wouldn't be able to do anything under the watch of her father and the people that control her life like cattle. The mass of course, just like throughout history, wouldn't care about such distinction, because to them, the aristocracy is all the same and of course, no one can really blame them for that. Annette is the perfect example of a person born at the wrong place and time.

Nah, that man is an abuser. Your traumas don't give you an excuse to put someone else, someone not at fault through the same. I understand Annette was ignorant but her father literally made sure growing up she only ever knew of the world in such a way. And even if she somehow knew about it what possibly could she have done or what much could she have done? She was a young girl. And she may have been wealthy and secure but she was also powerless when it comes to political/military matters. I also understand and emphatize with Heiner. He's been through one too many traumatizing experiences that have somehow shaped him to be who he is. But! That doesn't condone his actions in any way. The subject of his revenge,his anger is not Annette but her father who's already dead. He put the young girl on a pedestal and built up a certain image of her in his head and now that he realises she is nothing like that he feels betrayed

See i yall hate this guy to rotten core is so funny. Up to yall to agree or disagree. I way Just saying since I've read abt worse men. But eh. My opinion, he not bad.

The first line got grammar problems. It's was supposed to be "I see"

I can respect it being your opinion (about Heiner not being that bad to you), since that's subjective, but reading about worse men isn't really an argument. Nor the things you mentioned about Annette, since your claims have no basis in the story.

Being sheltered is fine. BUT she was ignorant. UR saying that that's how she was raised and her father did that. Yea but it still doesn’t make sense how she doesn’t know shit about the world. In these setting they got maids, what do maids do? Gossip. What happens in parties? Gossip. You gain info. Even if u say that they can't, threaten, it doesn’t make sense. She could have found shit on how the world works and poor's struggle. It Isn't hard. The argument u said still doesn’t justify her ignorance. No matter what mindset her father installed in her, doesn’t make sense that she wouldn’t even think of it? She is at least smart enough to question yet she didn’t. To me, what u said abt her looks like the lady who said "let em eat cake". A full ignorant thing to say when u Don't know shit. But she Isn't that type. But she still chose to ignore it. And yea even if she knew, she couldn’t have done anything. But that gives a relief to mind that FL wasn’t ignorant. And has no fault.

Reading abt bad men Isn't an argument but hating that much also Isn't justified.
He was a victim too. Look at it this way.
Cut the part where he mentally abused FL. If that part didn’t come, u would support him.
Cut the part where FL was abused. You would call her a fool.

Ur not checking from both sides. Only one.

And as for FL, I wouldn’t say she deserved it but I'm just saying both are victims and both at fault.

You do realize what her father's job was, right? She wasn't like other noble ladies, her father CONTROLS the information that enters their manor. She had no clear understanding of how the world really works. She knew about the existence of war and that people died but she was taught to believe that it was necessary.


Hating someone's actions is justified. And never once have i stated that he wasn't a victim, if you actually paid attention properly in my comments. And never have i said otherwise? It's obviously his actions that make me not want to support his relationship with Annette. And this doesn't mean i don't support him healing. It's not black or white.
Also no, i wouldn't calle Annette a fool, i would call her ignorant, just like i do now. Foolishness is not the same as ignorance.

I am checking for both sides, we are just disagreeing and you love shaping that based on your beliefs since it frustrates you.

Both are victims but i still do not agree that they are both at fault.

Let's use a hypothesis, if she knew, what do you believe she would have done? All the power was her father's. Do you honestly believe, a woman of this time, young with zero connections to other fractions, in an environment highly controlled as the daughter of the monster that caused all this tragedy, would be allowed to do anything other than breath?

Do you think the father would have spared anyone gossiping about his dirty work in HIS house and especially around the very daughter who he had made sure was kept unaware of his cruelty by any means. The maids wouldn't be foolish enough to risk their lives over some gossip.
Annette only ever knew of her father as a good man and a respected military officer. And that idea of him never changed until the rebellion because her father did an impeccable job maintaining a clean image infront of his daughter. Labeling her foolish for being ignorant is ridiculous. She may have been ignorant but not a fool.

And I'm not saying all this because I absolutely hate Heiner (I do) but because, no the two are not equally at fault. They may both be victims of abuse but the man is obviously more at fault for the current situation between them.

Alright. U believe what u wanna. I believe What I wanna. I honestly don't like both of them. Both are like those annoying dramatic neighbours to me.

Fair enough

Nah, I'll hate him as much as I want, boo.

Right I can’t believe with the clear cut story showing how she was the ultimate victim between the two, STILL makes people try to make an even playing field.

I can’t believe the suggestion that the female lead is any in the wrong here fucking hell

Yes it's worth it! I even read the novel now

Um it's not really like any of those but it's still very good!

ITS WORTH EVERY TIME OF YOU!! Tho its not the same like one you mention with suicidal mc and no bl undertone here but i can say its the best action manhwa with a lovable mc ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Bl undertone? Which one?

In all of OPs listed manhwa, I mean as in bromance,, like between dokja and joonghyuk, here junho doesnt have/show that

That's pretty true, but I mean~ we get some moments with the sword saint and Junho, though mostly when the sword saint is fanboying over specter

I disagree.
I don't feel any bromance from dokja & joonghyuk not even in the novel（￣へ￣）

But if it's The S-Classes That I Raised, yes lotsa bromance and the main character got beautifying too

Wowowow which chapter is that?!?! Novel? Chapters pls! And link! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

lmfao

Lol yeah