I don't blame her. Falling in love with work, the adrenaline rush when you get things right...some of us like that, be it woman or man. I don't find anything wrong with it. Men have been enjoying having both, enjoyment working and coming back home to a wife who lovingly waits for him, in this patriarchal society but women have to come back home and do the housework as well. At least, in my country and my mum works SO hard!
Now, the question is, what do you think of her?
I feel she can't expect her man to take it like a woman did back then as as housewife because that just means, it is once again being selfish and putting your partner through all that. Honestly speaking, you can't have it all (unless your husband is exactly like you and both of you are at peace with that and are having fun!)
She likes him. I know that. She's taken him for granted. That's true. She is at fault for that. But I feel the men in this manga is the most problematic. The blond dude, I absolutely dislike and now the black haired dude is getting closer to being a cheating asshole as well..
I'm currently more inclined to supporting the women and I truly empathise with them because they are both working SO hard! One is trying so hard to work her marriage out and the other, at her job.
This is what I feel. I'd like to know your thoughts.
They are not bad people. They are flawed couple. The Couple could have happy marriage. I can't only blame her because i think male lead/black haired guy/ kind of knew his wife is workaholic woman. I honestly just want them to divorce already. He didn't want to marry someone like his mother, woman who did everything for her husband, no dream, no passion for her own. He didn't wanted his parents' marriage life but his wife is acting like his father /Man who never appreciated his wife/. The Wife has been neglecting her husband for so long that he doesn't even want to try again. Their situation is really sad and frustrating. Imagine you cook for your partner almost everytime but they wouldn't even taste/touch it. When you try to take them on date, they wouldn't even show up or always late because of their work. If things like this keep happening you would feel unimportant, sad, lonely. And I think your love for your partner would decrease. They are not meeting their partner's needs /need for love/ Marriage is two people's work. It is sad that wife knows what she is doing is wrong/bad for their marriage but she still does it again and again. That is very selfish, for that I don't like her. For husband I just hope he has a guts to say to his wife that he doesn't love her anymore and wants to divorce. I hate cheating story, I really don't want him to become cheater. This manga id depressing. I hope all of them find their happy ending.
Hehe. I agree with you.
Thanks for your reply!
I do agree with a lot of what you said, but disagree in that I'm not neccesariliy more inclined to support the wife in this circumstance. I can totally emphasize with the wife, but that doesn't excuse her actions, which are extremely selfish and hurtful. One thing you mentioned was how hard the wife is working for her career, but the husband also worked SO hard for SO long for the relationship, but never recieved the same from his wife. I honestly don't think she loves him as much as he loves her; at the very least her career is her first priority and he is her second, while the husband's first prioirty has been her. I feel like their relationship could have still been saved with them working together and couples therapy etc, but the husband has fallen for someone else and is already too tired to try anymore. IDK though, but divorce is a huge decision, and my gut feeling is that they're going to cheat before they get divorced. IDK tho, if you can still support the wife's selfshiness in what's she's doing now, can't you also support the guy's selfshiness in cheating?
Something I do think is interesting is how people have different definitions of cheating. LIke most people in this comment section just don't want them to have sex, but I feel like their kiss or even just their feelings towards each other as the same kind of violation of trust.
True. Of course, the woman is at fault. I'd written that in my post. But, you're right. Cheating is not just sleeping. It's the concept of looking at someone else itself with affection, lust and love..
But that's the thing. He IS doing that. I get that he's frustrated and tired. No one would him blame for being so. He is not at fault for that. It's only right that you get attracted to someone else, which is also fine. But to indulge in that attraction while you're with someone else...now, that's wrong, like you said.
I read a novel about a woman reincarnated 7 times and being the amazing FL she is, she didn't waste a single lifetime and made sure to gather knowledge and truly live her life well. The 7th time, she ended up having to become the empress and I think the rest of the story is her journey as an empress as well her first try at love considering her fiance was a moron and her family only caring about status...
Do any of you know which novel I'm talking about?
No, but I'd like to know the title too.
The Villain Daughter Enjoys Her Seventh Life as a Free-Spirited Bride (Hostage) in a Former Enemy Country
THANK YOU!
Wow, that's a mouthful haha
:( I couldn’t find it, is it on this website or on a legal one
It’s a novel, so you wouldn’t find it on this site
No wonder I didn't remember the name! That is one mouthful! Thank you!
Man! Even though I hate Rashta (trust me! And I read the novel. I truly dislike her.) But in this manhwa.. (as much as i hate to admit it!) She looks cute. Ugh.
i really can't...after reading the novel i'm so disgusted every time i look at her
What does she do in the novel?
I need spoilers!!
same!
Me as well!!!
well, ima try to list the stuff i remember cuz she do A LOT OF SHIT, be warned that i read EVERYTHING available, but i wont write on chronological order cuz my memory is not THAT good xD
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1. she spreads rumours about duchess tuania and at some point instigate duke tuania to divorce her, making duchess tuania lose status in high society and her family [but better things come the duchess way later imo]
2. after the empress remarries she tries to side with an adversary the empress will encounter on the western kingdom just cause rashta can't handle seing the empress happy while the emperor seems to want her back after the divorce
3. rasta spread rumors of empress Navier being infertile to make her lose support from other nobles
4.rashta legit hired bandits to kill Empress Navier's parents cuz she thought they'd be a threat to her child even if they became emperor
5. rashta used some work navier purposedly left behind ready for use to seem like she did all the stuff, and to seem like a saint [it was stuff related to charity]
6.rashta hired mercenaries to kidnap and sell viscount roteschu's daughter in retaliation and cuz she was afraid the girl would seduce the emperor
7. she yeeted her baby after being born
8. she plucked the feathers of a bird and tried to blame the empress
9. she sent one of her maids to prison and ordered the guards to cut her tongue after the maid discovered the feathers rashta had plucked. rashta justified saying it was actually the maid that did it and she was trying to curse her or something
10. rashta lied to some nobles that were helping her pretend to be a noble herself about their missing daughter, while pitting them against each other
11. she literally stabs a maid that was trying to help her
12. at some moments she threatens her first child, her son with viscount roteschu's son [but i don't know how serious she was]
13. she told everyone the empress' brother pushed her to the floor while she was pregnant when in reality she fell by herself, cuz he scared her. that lead to his banishment from the palace and later was used as one evidence to banish him from the country [he did some shit too, but i hate her lying ass with a passion]
look at my previous reply, i wrote all i could remember of the shit rashta pulled...if you want other kinds of spoiler just reply one of my comments :D
i listed all i could remember about the shit rashta does in my previous comment...check it out!
fuck....
Damn the only thing I'm looking forward to is navier and heinley getting engaged and the emperor wanting her back. I hope she doesn't easily get away with this shit.
Wht does she do in the novel...
By any chance do you remember what chapter in the novel does the divorce come around ? I’m in chapter 97 but it’s really dragging on , not in a bad way but more in a frustrating way , I want her to get as far away from that trash
It depends on where you're reading...if you're reading through the group that was translating, it is around 160 (that you can find through that site novel updates)... On naver (the original, in korean) it's around 83
Sovieshu and trashta are the worst for real
Yeah! I remember her faking the fall and blaming Navier's brother. But you know...that is bad! Obviously! But for some reason, I am the most mad at her for hurting the poor bird Sovieshu gifted Navier (asshole! What he did to the blue bird is terrible and the kind of mental abuse he caused! Ugh! Navier is actually so sweet for taking care of the bird even after all that trauma!) but Rashta hurts the innocent bird! Bitch!
i think that the lie about navier's brother made me angrier cuz that was the point i realized how scheming and rotten she truly was... cuz you know, that could have made navier's brother be executed as atempted murder of a royal [like they wanted to do with that noble who stabbed her]. after that nothing surprised of how she's a major bitch and a psycho
This was a reply to another post but whatever.
He has no business interfering. She has her own difficulties. Maybe she needs to time to get back up. Maybe not. We have no idea. But he has no right to hurt someone else without knowing their side of the story. If he wants to judge, okay. Go ahead and judge but he can keep his judgement to himself.
If he is pining over his uke, yeah. Go ahead but don't drag other people into his shit. Everyone has their own story. If you're gonna blame someone, blame your uke who never confessed out of his own weakness. Although even that's wrong. It's up to the uke to like whoever and confess whenever. He's at least showing the decency to keep his judgement about sensei's life to himself. The seme...he's just throwing his frustration to a third party who is unrelated and has her own circumstances. Immature fool.
Nope. He gets a say when she can’t be bothered to be a fucking grown up and coparent like any decent person. She’s a self absorbed loser who is mentally abusive, and needs a good talking down to
Why 'mentally abusive'?
you can see someone explaining in the comments that in Japan only one parent gets custody. The other parent has no rights.
so after years of being a parent to her child and a parent to her husband, he has sole rights. She still sees her child and that's essentially all she can do.
Maybe get your misogyny/internalized misogyny worked on. if he wasn't fucking worthless as a husband and a father, she probably wouldn't have left.
Yesss thank youuuu!!!
They aren’t divorced so no reason not to coparent. Plus anyone in a relationship that would call their partner pathetic and have their child think they were useless is a mentally abusive person
And someone’s fucking worthless because they have trouble cooking and doing laundry? Marriage is a partnership where you compliment each other’s strengths. He loves his family, supports them, and was never physically or mentally abusive to them. That’s a shitty person to you? You guys blow my mind
If one partner does all of the child-rearing and all of the housework, and the other partner is completely able bodied, etc, then they ARE worthless.
Unless there is a physical disability there is no reason for an adult to not know how to cook and do laundry. The dude doesn't need to be a Michelin chef nor a 5 stars hotel room attendant to know how to do those basic things. The fact that he relies on an ex student to do everything for free is ridiculous. He is not worthless (nobody is) but he sure as hell should grow up and be a proper adult.
No. Look. How the sensei is and what he can and cannot do is his business. However, you said parenting is a two person business. Exactly. If the adult here cant possibly do anything and is 'cute' because of it, according to the uke, well, that's the Uke's business. But expecting his wife to put with that is NOT fair. She has to 'adjust' and 'sacrifice' to give the child a false sense of security? Children are not stupid. If their parents are unhappy, they can feel it and they'd blame themselves for it. It's better to leave than live with an elephant in the room their whole lives. This kid is so mature she knows what is what.
I'm only calling out the seme being an ignorant asshole putting his head into other people's business when he knows jack shit about them simple because he is frustrated that he feel in love with a guy who is in live with someone else. That's his problem. It isn't right to drag other people because if his inability to deal with his personal issue.
Oh man. Get back to me in 20 years and let me know how life’s worked out for you
Just because your bar for men is so low it's a tavern in Hades, doesn't mean you should encourage other people to live the same way.
Well, I'm in my mid 30s and move out of my parents house when I was 22 . As a normal person I learned how to do laundry, cook and clean the house without any problems. My partner is 40 yo and is the same. Weather I'm home or not he can do all the housechores like a normal adult. I feel we're doing pretty great (▰˘◡˘▰)
Bada boom tiss!
I read through this comment thtead and I've got just 3 questions. Did she not see his so called "worthlessness" before getting married to him. Was she not aware? Or did she marry him hoping he'd change? If she did know and married him all the same and then left cause she got fed up then she's one fucking irresponsible person.. If you know you won't be able to handle a person's flaws or married them cause you have some delusions about them losing those flaws then that's fucking stupid aiit. Y'all defending her like she's a saint. Mtchwwwe
I’m sorry what... like literally they could’ve got married cuz they like each other or whatever.. but you can expect that if having a child, both parents should step up to the responsibilities abd if one couldn’t, the other had the right to not stay in that relationship. No ones a fucking mind reader and predict how one can act. That’s literally similar to victim blaming.
People can change AND/OR not change during marriage.
Also this comment thread is about that seme being so fucking rude to the mother where he has no right to say anything cuz he has feelings for uke. It has nothing to do with how the mom viewed the ex..
No ones saying she’s a saint, we are saying that the seme HAD NO RIGHT to be a lil shit
I find dense stupid overly innocent ukes annoying. So, naturally the go getter uke is an interesting twist. Still. It sucks that a character that should be admired will fail in his love. Hope he finds someone who deserves him, at least in the extra story after the main is done.