
This is such a weird dynamic to me cuz I feel that Jo is like the categorical definition of “the endgame ml” but he isn’t fleshed out, relationship wise nor character wise, in comparison to Tj. I don’t like tjian in this story’s context but it almost feels like we are meant to root for them(at least for now) even though Jo is set up to be “the rational choice”. I’m interested to see how this plays out but also I just want Jo to be happy even if it’s a side story. Maybe this is the authors way of trying to subvert genre tropes

This is exactly what I was thinking. The author has put so much emphasis on TJ that his connection seems stronger with Ian than Jo’s, even though Jo is painted out to be the “redeeming, golden-retriever, rational option” …Unfortunately Jo’s character doesn’t have much depth…The author has painted such a strong an deep affection between TJ and Ian throughout these chapters that it would take even more chapters for Ian to fall in love with Jo, because their dynamic is lacking in comparison…It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out

Yea, It’s almost off putting for me when tjian have their big moments cuz it feels like, by procedure, it should be happening just as frequently if not more with Joian. But also I kinda get it storytelling wise if it’s supposed to be focused on and told by Ian. It makes sense that anything that happens with Jo is portrayed as slow and cautious while his actions with Tj are shown as natural and familiar if it’s from Ian’s perspective. I’m really hoping that’s why Jo’s stunted as a character right now and that it’s not permanent ( ̄∇ ̄")

Since your are very much interested with Jo I will explain about him. His pride is definitely his strength and weakness the same as kindness being Ian's strength and weakness. When you are in love, sometimes you really have to swallow your pride. It should be balanced not your pride winning over your love. His insecurity and fear are forming up from his pride because he is in a disadvantaged position. However he's persistent, patient and understanding because if someone else was in his position they would've quit long ago. Despite his disadvantage, he chose to stay which means he's evolving. Meeting and falling in love with Ian is his biggest turning point in his life because it lets him get to know himself because there's more to him than what he have presumed about himself. It also will force him to face the things he dislikes the most which has to do with his pride. His darkness that he is stopping from himself getting consumed will be the key for his development. He is an open book that isn't easy to read because there's more to him than meets the eye.

Authors trying to write deep narratives abt “justification” is annoying but I don’t think this is that at all. He just likes rough evil sex and this solely driven by that cuz it’s a smut. Like yall are seriously getting bent out of shape over fantasy porn…also ppl making comments abt the author’s sex life is so weird cuz girl what? Having crazy kinks in smut doesn’t mean u wanna abuse and assault ppl ( ̄∇ ̄") the plot is basically nonexistent tho

That is a problem with people who conflate fantasy with reality, and when the entire point of this porn is to be porn, and not something more, basing moral off it is an issue w literacy, u can critique things all you you want but the reality is that these do not wxist 1 to 1 ESPECIALLY when it comes w warnings, although I will say this doesn’t and 100% should

Rape culture exists far beyond the reach of yaoi, it is an institutionalized issue. This is not a porn industry in the sense that real women(using this because this is who is affected in reality) are being exploited and portrayed in inhumane ways. If you really wanna deal w the issues rape culture has on porn look at the rape tag on pornhub. Sex culture is much more complex than just “this thing bad make other thing worse” ESPECIALLY in queer spaces.

A group of niche individuals writing yaoi noncon do not have the ability to perpetuate rape culture because any rape ideologies that exists in a potential reader were already instilled through their sexist society. Fiction is not reality and this viewpoint is incredibly conservative of sex culture and once again shows a lack of media literacy and self criticism. Restricting non exploitative art under the guise that other people can potentially read it wrong and base their morale after it is blatant censorship.

it is also important to note that the author isn’t trying to conflate their rape kink with the effects of rape. there is this idea of good rape vs bad rape within our society, and I do think it’s is potentially dangerous for authors to try to argue this rape is good while also condemning other “bad” rape they portray, because that in itself is breaking the boundary of “this is just my fantasy” and instead is turning into a weird off moral lesson, which bleeds the lines of fiction and reality for any impressionable readers, even then it is much more nuanced than it simply and absolutely perpetuating rape ideologies

Thank. You. tired of people who still camping under this or any other stories trying to backseat porn. Reading them on this ill*gal site already discredits yourself. If you’re not comfortable search something that’s sfw, green flag or whichever yall prefer. This is not tiktok, they don’t feed you go curate it yourself

yess omg fr!! why r they acting like they're on a moral high ground when we're all on this site together LMFAO. ppl are so mf sensitive like gah damn if u dont like it, just move on. yeah they're allowed to share their opinion ofc but when they're constantly hurling insults at ppl for consuming/writing things that is "immoral" in their eyes?? not cute at all. they rlly gotta stop whining abt these things unless it's actually harmful to real ppl (which, 99.99% of the time, it's not lol).

the "if you dont like it, move on" idea is BULLSHIT. we have the right to criticize harmful content. I grew up reading BL and actually have experienced real life trauma because I didnt fully understand what enthusiastic consent was, BECAUSE OF BL. stuff that makes rape casual and frames rape not as rape or as enjoyable DIRECTLY perpetuates rape culture ideas in society. I see all the time people on here not even being able to properly identify when something is rape, and its SCARY!
human beings are more susceptible to ideas than you think, especially if you are consistently being exposed to content. so get some critical thinking and think about how media affects society

im going to repeat what i already said to someone else:
we have the right to criticize harmful content, because it absolutely is harmful. I grew up reading BL and actually have experienced real life trauma because I didnt fully understand what enthusiastic consent was and that it is needed, BECAUSE OF BL. stuff that makes rape casual and frames rape not as rape or as enjoyable DIRECTLY perpetuates rape culture ideas in society. I see all the time people on here not even being able to properly identify when something is rape, and its SCARY!
human beings are more susceptible to ideas than you think, especially if you are consistently being exposed to content. we already live in a rape culture so it is easy to build off of that foundation. so get some critical thinking and think about how media affects society because it absolutely does. to defend fucking rape porn is SICKENING

I’m sorry this happened to you but I will also reiterate that that is an issue with sex education and socialization, I have also been reading yaoi for over a decade, when I was far too young, but I was extensively taught sex education by my family and it has left me unaffected sexually BECAUSE I was taught what’s wrong and harmful in reality. Your relationship with bl has nothing to do with the bl itself, but with the systems and rape ignorant institutions we operate within as a society. I highly encourage you to take sex education classes when u get to college or read sex theology beyond your own interpretation. Fiction CAN affect reality only if you let it affect your reality, media literacy means you have to think further than what is being explicitly portrayed and make your own judgement of how you will internalize this information. Spoon fed ideas through media is the death of intellectual integrity and it’s sad to see you view the world as a monolith because you were failed. If you really wanna discuss rape culture you need to understand the fundamentals of why and how it exists, which has everything to do with systemic heterosexism, not niche porn. Also the issue w mass media and rape is only an issue because mass media is an exploitative means of capitalism. They are massively profiting off of everyone’s money while holding no integrity for the victims that operate within their own systems. Think of the rape culture within film industry and directorial power. That is the advertising and commodifying of victims, which is something self owned niche yaoi artists cannot perform. Mass media=/= independent artistry

hey babes, its not anti sex its ANTI RAPE! when media portrays rape as not rape, or rape as "enjoyable" that clearly perpetuates rape culture. This has been studied and written about a LOT which is why TV shows on western TV are expected to be very careful. the stuff in BL would never be allowed to air on TV for good reason, because all the experts would criticize it.
it says a lot that youre accusing me of being "uninformed", when i clearly am, "anti-sex" when theres no basis for that, and a TERF????? when im a trans-positive intersectional feminist. consider get a grip you rape fetishizing freak!

Dude be so fr. I LITERALLY SAID YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CRITICISE IT. Like, are you able to read???? I literally said "they're allowed to share their opinion ofc."
And here's my opinion: your takes are so fucking shit in every single comment you've made on this manhwa I can'ttt holy fuck. You don't have a right to act like you have a moral high ground when we're all literally reading porn on an ILL*GAL SITE. You need to get help instead of obsessively spewing ur bs on this random ass smut manhwa.
I'm sorry that happened to you, but it's a way larger problem than just "oh no BL bad." That is an issue with both sex education and actually learning media literacy so you're able to separate fiction and reality from the start.

I love how you think romanticizing rape is a core part of BL which is pretty nasty. and yes there is an issue with sex ed but its also RAPE CULTURE!!!!! babes if rape culture didnt exist, this media wouldnt exist because people would recognize the damage that romanticizing rape does. like fucking read shit about CONSENSUAL KINK! because babes the more you read shit about romanticizing rape or rape smut, the more you become desensitized to it, which is part of the problem. its really not hard to understand.

1) i dont give a fuck about it being an illegal site, thats not a valid argument
2) i comment a lot because most of the people on this site dont understand rape culture and are so desensitized to this awful shit and i have a strong sense of justice and education. the reason why you think this is so offensive is because you deny that this content is harmful to society, but you are just objectively wrong. theres a reason why they would never allow this kind of shit to be on western TV, yet its normal in BL??? not okay. AND the more people like me comment on it, the more likely it is to change for the better.
Something about old men being smothered is so beautiful…
So true. Maybe it's because most authors thinks that people with old feature won't attract a lot of buyers