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I'm kind of in dilemma, a kid shouldn't be a part of equation. I think it's not morally correct to add innocent child in to this. I get her. I truly understand.

Everytime a straight manwha is in here, everyone is ready to diss it but if it's homosexuals suddenly it's good the way these people defend homosexual. So what if there's piss, if it's gay, you would think it's hot. You guys are twistee

REALLY THEY HAVE KIDNAPPINGS, STOCKHOLM SYNDROME, RAPE, SCAT, MORE NONCON AND THIS STRAIGHT PORN WITH PISS IS SUDDENLY DRAWING THE LINE. They even said, this is a male's work, wow discrediting the artist work so much? But if it's gay, it's hot The way this immature psycho weirdo fujoshis are getting brainrotted everyday with gay porn.

Ew I don't call myself that. That's for people that fetishize. And not all people that read BL fetishize you stupid fuck. Most straight shit on this site is just low quality, cringe, and boring and this one proves my point. You're one of those homophobic dumbasses that sees one BL containing toxic themes and you go on the internet shitting on not only on other BL fictional stories, but on real life gay people. Like I said, stfu and drink your own fucking tears because I'm happy to indulge in what my community has to offer to hating bitch!

Ew I don't call myself that. That's for people that fetishize. And not all people that read BL fetishize you stupid fuck. Most straight shit on this site is just low quality, cringe, and boring and this one proves my point. You're one of those homophobic dumbasses that sees one BL containing toxic themes and you go on the internet shitting on not only on other BL fictional stories, but on real life gay people. Like I said, stfu and drink your own fucking tears because I'm happy to indulge in what my community has to offer to hating bitch
Someone is so PISSY about a comment

So much time in your hands, what else did u write there, let's go with the checklists, oh "homophobic" "straight" my god. Block of text and it's filled with gibberish nonsense. Tell me, how disappointed your parents are irl?
Imagine not having actual response that all you have to do is copy and paste what I said to make yourself look smarter than you actually are. I'm sorry that I'm so right that you're speechless and can't come up with something logical to say. Explains everything about your intelligence to not keep with up an argument you a laughing stock

It's all self projection, how could I ever write something for you when you're not even making sense? Did you let it out of the system? Ofc I don't want to insult, I'm nothing like you. Im pretty sure you're just self projecting all this negative insults to yourself in the mirror everyday. Ofc I am smarter than you. Go ahead, go throw more homophobic claims to me. Nobody here is laughing with you, you're delusional

I am making sense, your brain just can't comprehend it, do I need to break it down in small pieces so you can actually comprehend? Alright then. In short words, you can't use one bad thing to generalize an entire group of people. One gay manhwa with abuse, doesn't determine anything. You're looking at the wrong shit and then when people are rightfully hating in a cringe straight manhwa, you're so quick to be homophobic by saying, "but if it's homosexuals suddenly it's good." Just shut up you dumbass. This website literally is centered around BL and GL, there's barely enough straight stories on here, so if you wanna keep on complaining, go somewhere else! This story is fucking trash and disgusting... the art style is ugly too, of course people are hating on it! And you're acting like a damn crybaby, trying to set this double standard bs, be quiet. Am I making more sense enough? Or do I need to talk like a caveman to get you to understand my point?

wow, this is just proving my point. Maybe if you learn to think and shut up first, like think before you even vomit idiotic words. Makes you appear intelligent than what you really sound. "The art style is ugly too" Least psychopathic fujo right here. Don't call me stupid, you're self projecting everything about yourself. I don't have to say anything to you, you're just saying everything about yourself here. We get it you're untalented so u make fun of others art style. Where's the support the artist. Also the homophobic part yeah, nobody can talk to you irl? Like actual gay and lesbian people can't stand sitting right next to you.

You know, your entire existence here in my comment is confusing, you calling me homophobic, I don't know how u got them all from a single comment, you're confusing to talk to like actually toddler I am speaking with. And it's like one of those entitled Karen customers who are so confusing and making baseless accusations. Absolutely draining to try engage being smart with. Go back to homework instead of shouting here in the comment section. Get off my comment

Aren't you the Karen here though? You're being a hypocrite once again! I did try to engage with you properly but all you did was degrade me and kept telling how I'm this and that, you never proved me wrong or made one logical point that will make me give up. And it's Christmas vacation, there's no homework where I am, but it sucks that wherever you are, you still got school! Couldn't be me. How about you let me have the last word and we just both stop replying? Problem solved.

Even though a lot of BL is toxic and abusive there's also a lot of healthy BL's so they're
just generalizing. don't mind them, you're not a horrible person this person is just causing an issue for no reason. It's December 30th which is no holiday in my country I also believe it's the same for the other person that replied to one of their other comments yet they decided to be rude in the comments section by telling someone they're a sad miserable lonely creature just for even asking a simple question. Truly shows which one is the real horrible person here. Their og comment didn't really make sense either since josei and yaoi are 2 different genres with different audiences most of the time so the ones complaining about the pee or squirting would probably be ones that rarely read BL since it isn't very common for josei artists to add squirting compared to yaoi artists. I just hope you have a nice day lmao don't waste your time talking to them next time, they're too boring to talk to anyway.

It’s funny you say you tried to engage with them properly when the first thing you said to them was “stfu crybaby” that’s not exactly properly engaging with someone is it? You complain that all they were doing was degrading you but you are no better than them, you were doing the same exact thing. Also, no matter how hard you try to deny it, if you like BL, you’re fujoshi. And yes, you fetishize gay content. It’s just the truth. I understand that it’s hard to accept. Please get off your high horse acting like you’re superior to them. You claim that they are the one making assumptions, sure that could be true, but it’s hypocritical to say that since you were also doing the same thing…
Your words and I quote.
“ You're one of those homophobic dumbasses that sees one BL containing toxic themes and you go on the internet shitting on not only on other BL fictional stories, but on real life gay people.”
Is that not an assumption? lol.
Not only that but to say “Explains everything about your intelligence to not keep with up an argument ” when you don’t even have a valid argument is very amusing to me. I don’t know if you know about the rules of debate, but the moment you insult your opponent, you lose. It’s called Ad Hominem. You make a fair point that enjoying BL/GL content doesn't automatically equal fetishization. Many readers appreciate these stories for their narratives, character development, and representation. However, dismissing all straight romances as 'low quality' or 'cringe' falls into the same trap of harmful generalizations you're arguing against. Criticizing toxic themes in any story, regardless of the characters' orientations , is valid criticism. It's not inherently homophobic to point out problematic elements in BL content, just as critiquing a heterosexual romance isn't heterophobic. And hate to break it to you, but it is indeed true that BL manwha are rampant with the issues pointed out.

Again… You mention double standards, but there seems to be one in your own argument: You correctly state we shouldn't judge all gay manhwa by one problematic example, but then you broadly dismiss straight manhwa as 'cringe.' These kinds of sweeping generalizations work against your fundamental point about avoiding prejudice. Like what? Come on. You are the one who got mad at their comment and started attacking them first. Why are you mad when they come at you with the same energy you gave them first??? Treat others the way you want to be treated!

Holy shit. Stfu, where the hell did you came from random? Nobody was talking to you and I can easily debunk all this random shit you're spitting at me right now. What a loser... anyways, I'm not wasting my time writing long ass paragraphs to a homophobic sticking up for another stupid ass homophobic, have the day you deserve.

True, I feel like I should've made that clear that there may be a lot of BL that is unfortunately toxic and abusive, but there's also a lot of healthy ones. Like for example, I paused this manga a long time ago, but Given is a good one. There's also 19 days (my favorite). I read a mix of healthy and non-healthy manga because I love reading stories that have different perspectives and experiences. I just read mostly non-healthy stuff because I'm interested in psychology and it helps me understand the complexities of human behavior and relationships, but I know there's people that read BL that fetishize those things and make people that read these types of things that don't look bad. But, yeah, some of the people hating on this don't even read BL at all. I don't think all of the hate here is because it's "straight". Shit, I remember this one BL story that had cringe stuff similar to this story and people, including myself, were also hating on it but not because it's gay. I really agree with you though and thank you for agreeing with me!

I am not a homophobe. And I’m not really defending them as much as I am refuting your points. And yes, I am a random but that doesn’t invalidate my perspective. This is a public forum, so if you can’t handle “randoms” refuting you, then maybe don’t say anything at all. You mention you could 'easily debunk' my points, but choosing to dismiss them with labels and personal attacks instead suggests otherwise. If my reasoning is flawed, I'd genuinely be interested in hearing why. Labeling anyone who disagrees with you as 'homophobic' without engaging with their actual arguments weakens your position. Defending fair criticism of individual works isn't the same as defending homophobia.

Your behavior shows a striking double standard. When someone agrees with you, you're capable of nuanced discussion, acknowledging complexities, and having respectful dialogue. Yet when someone expresses a different perspective, even a simple preference for straight romances, you immediately resort to hostile language and accusations of homophobia. Having a personal preference for straight romance isn't homophobic. Just as you read BL because you connect with those stories and find them psychologically interesting, others might prefer straight romances because they relate to the female lead's perspective and enjoy experiencing romantic scenarios that align with their orientation. A straight reader wanting to imagine themselves in the FL's shoes while the ML shows affection is no different from any other reader choosing content that resonates with their personal experiences and desires. You eloquently defended how reading certain BL content doesn't automatically mean fetishization or endorsement of toxic themes. Why not extend that same understanding to readers of straight romance? Just as you said about BL : 'I just read mostly non-healthy stuff because I'm interested in psychology' - others, including me, might have their own valid reasons for their reading preferences that have nothing to do with prejudice.

sorry to butt myself into this when i wasn't even apart of the convo to start with but i wasn't really agreeing nor disagreeing with them i just didn't exactly like the op since they seemed really douchy to someone (in a different comment) for asking a simple question (in a different comment on this manhwa) and their og comment didn't fully make sense to me since BL and Straight Love have different audiences so of course some people here wouldn't be used to seeing squirting in manhwa (saying this as an avid reader of both) and not to defend them, but I think the responder from earlier was just being overly defensive because the op's comment was a little aggressive so they could've misinterpreted as them trying to be homophobic even of they weren't since a lot of us in the community face similar comments that are actually meant to be derogatory towards queer people. I'm not on anyone's side, I just thought I'd bring a 3rd perspective into this (or 4th lol)

They literally agreed with most of my points fucking dipshit. Acting like they were arguing with me! Pay me 100 bucks right and we can argue all day! You're gonna have to give me money if you wanna argue about this shit! I literally ended the argument and you stepping in like a white knight, shut up.

Your enthusiasm for avoiding long responses is admirable, so let me keep this brief:
You engaged thoughtfully with a 200-word response about BL manga earlier, so we both know reading comprehension isn't the issue here. The real question is - Why respond aggressively to those who disagree while showing you're capable of nuanced discussion with those who agree? That kind of selective engagement suggests you might be more interested in confirming your biases than having genuine conversation. If you truly aren't interested in engaging, there's a simpler solution than telling others to 'hop off' - you could just not respond.

"Your repeated claims about others being 'obsessed' and 'on your dick' while you continue to respond are interesting. The concept of obsession usually involves persistent, unwanted attention yet you're actively choosing to engage in this public forum rather than simply moving on. If you genuinely want the conversation to end, you have the power to stop responding. Your continued engagement while telling me to 'be quiet' suggests you might actually enjoy the conflict you're creating.

First, the person you're referencing didn't just agree with 'most of your points,’ they offered a balanced third perspective that acknowledged both sides in a far more passive manner than you are capable of. The 'white knight' accusation is particularly ironic given your earlier aggressive defense of BL content. You jumped in forcefully to defend your position, yet criticize others for doing the same. As for 'ending the argument' - repeatedly telling others to shut up while continuing to respond isn't actually ending anything. It's just an attempt to have the last word without addressing the substance of the discussion. I love arguing, I haven’t argued for a whole. I can do this all day.

How you know? Are you next to me right now? Are you watching what I'm doing to come to that conclusion that I'm enjoying this conflict? I literally ended the argument with the OP and we were already done until you stepped in. And, by hop off my dick, I mean let the shit go already and move on with your day. I didn't even need to read anything to not know what things you're saying. I took a quick scan and I already knew what you were going to say. "Oh, how are they this when you're that and—" blah blah blah, I literally don't care. I made my points already and it's unnecessary for me to try and prove anything. You seem to want a lot of attention though, you got not better to do.

You tried to get the last word and failed like the OP. And, no offense, but is your statement about "arguing all day" just saying that you have no life basically? Because that's all I got from that statement tbh. You don't know me, I don't know you, why the hell would you want to keep arguing with someone you don't know or have ever fucking met in your entire life? Another hypocrite.

You’re right that I’m not physically next to you, but your actions in this conversation tell their own story. If you were genuinely done with the argument, you would’ve stopped responding. Instead, you continue to engage while also dismissing what’s being said. That’s the contradiction I’m pointing out—it’s not about me “watching” you, it’s about the choice you’re making to keep responding. If you’ve made your points already, why are you still engaging? It seems like you’re enjoying the back-and-forth, but when you accuse others of wanting attention while simultaneously continuing the conflict, it feels like a projection. If you’re truly done, then simply stop engaging. You have the power to end this conversation, but the fact that you keep it going while accusing me of seeking attention says more about your own desire to stay in the conflict than anything else.

It seems like you're missing the point of what I said. I’m not trying to get the last word for the sake of "winning" the argument. My point is that you’ve been the one continuing to engage, despite claiming you’re “done” with the conversation. If you were genuinely uninterested, you’d simply stop responding instead of trying to make me out to be the one obsessed with the argument. As for the "no life" comment, that’s a bit of a leap. The statement was more about enjoying healthy debate, not about my personal life. The fact that you're accusing me of something personal shows a lack of understanding about the nature of discussion. Also, accusing someone of hypocrisy doesn’t automatically make them one, it’s important to address the actual content of their argument, not just try to dismiss them with insults.

It’s interesting that you're accusing me of degrading you, especially when I haven’t actually done so. If you're referring to my previous comments, I’ve focused on discussing the points you made and engaging with the substance of the conversation, not resorting to personal insults. It seems like you might be misunderstanding what "degrading" actually means, because I haven't belittled or disrespected you in any way. Instead, I’ve addressed your arguments directly. If you're feeling personally attacked, that’s more about how you’re interpreting the conversation rather than what’s actually being said. It’s curious how you claim that I’m "wasting your time," yet you continue to engage in the discussion. That suggests you’re not as uninterested as you claim to be. I’m not forcing you to continue, and if you believe it’s not worth your time, it’s entirely within your control to walk away from it. But if you're still here, then it seems like you're choosing to keep this going, so perhaps we're both just enjoying this. (:

Stop fucking overanalyzing every little thing I say. I'm speechless, because you're doing too much for no reason. This isn't even about the OP anymore, you just rambling about every single word that I write. I feel like you have a habit for being obsessed with people in arguments like this, because how do you write a whole lot of nothing that has nothing to do with what the original comment was about? Do you even know why you're here in the first place? How about you go back to getting off to your straight stories and leave me be.

I’m not overanalyzing, I’m simply addressing the contradictions in your own argument. When you accuse me of "rambling" and writing "a whole lot of nothing," you're ignoring the fact that you’ve continued this back-and-forth just as much as I have. If you feel that I’m “doing too much,” it’s only because you keep engaging and dismissing what I say instead of just ending it. You could stop anytime, but you’re still here. That seems more like a projection of your own desire to keep this going, especially when you tell me to “leave you be” while simultaneously responding to me. And as for the "straight stories" jab, it’s honestly irrelevant to this conversation. If you’re upset about me engaging with you, you can choose not to continue. You’ve made that choice with every single reply. If you’re really “speechless,” then prove it by not replying. The ball’s in your court now.

Again: totally no actual points made in this entire nonsense. And you are trying to degrade me. I'm feeling attacked because you're acting like I'm going to take back everything I said to the OP but I'm not. I said what I said and I was speaking the truth, another person even said I was although they're not exactly siding with anyone. You're enjoying this. I already know what your previous points were, and as I've said before, I could easily prove you wrong. But I chose not to because it's not worth the time, the effort, or the stress. You're just really obsessed for no reason, that's what this is. Pay me money right now.

It’s telling that you’ve resorted to personal jabs about fanfiction rather than addressing the points I’ve made. Fanfiction has nothing to do with this. Thank you for the compliment, though. It’s easy to deflect with insults, but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re continuing to engage. If you truly weren’t enjoying this, you would’ve stopped replying by now. The fact that you keep coming back to this conversation suggests otherwise. No one is forcing you to respond, but you’re choosing to continue. So, if you’re claiming you’re not enjoying this, then it seems like you're contradicting yourself by actively keeping the conversation going. If you really want it to stop, the solution is simple, just stop replying. But, here you are, still engaging, so let's be honest: we’re both still here, aren’t we? I will respond to everything you say.

It’s interesting that you continue to claim I’m degrading you, yet I haven’t done so in any of my responses. I’ve addressed your arguments directly and pointed out the contradictions in your statements, not attacked you personally. Again, repeating what I said before… It seems you might be interpreting a simple critique as an attack, which is more about your perception of the conversation than my intention. You also mention that you’ve "already made your points," yet you continue to engage and claim that you could easily "prove me wrong." If you genuinely felt your position was so strong, why not take the opportunity to clarify your arguments instead of relying on vague claims? The fact that you’re still engaging suggests that there’s something in this discussion that you’re either enjoying or feel invested in, despite repeatedly saying you’re "done" with it. As for the claim of being "obsessed," that seems more like projection, yet again. If I were truly obsessed, I wouldn’t be calmly addressing the points you’ve made. I'd be trying to escalate the conflict. But instead, I’m simply engaging with the substance of your statements. If you’re uninterested, the choice to walk away, again, is entirely in your hands. You’re free to stop responding at any time, but your continued engagement contradicts your claims of not wanting to be part of the conversation. If you really think it's not worth your time, then why continue?

Before I respond to this, I just want to clarify ONE thing. I am not a fujoshi and I will never refer to myself as such. I don't read just BL you stupid fuck. If you check my reading list, I read BL and GL because I indulge in my community's queerness. Fujoshi is a term for fetishizers, and I don't fetishize shit. And that fact that you're trying to claim that I am one just proves how homophobic you are. Just because I read BL doesn't mean I fetishize shit. It's common sense. Just like how a queer person would read straight stories don't mean they fetishize them, then again... straight people will never be oppressed when it comes to us. Stop trying to be a fucking smartass because truly you're not. You're just a try hard trying to act as though you are doing something with all these big words you search up when really you're doing nothing. I just wanted to clarify that because I hate being referred as something I'm not when 1. You don't know me. 2. I don't know you. 3. You're not watching me (unless you are and you're just a stalker). Just hop off my invisible, nonexistent dick I have and stop riding it. Literally go do something productive. This ain't.

I don't need a straight person like you telling me, a queer person, what I'm doing when it comes to queer stories, specifically BL ones. Unless you're one yourself, shut your fucking trap. You know nothing. And by your one comment, before to that other person, you seem to somewhat have beef with the OP, so why attack and degrade me? Give it up.

The fact that you're enjoying this is giving fact you're obsessed you little cocksucker. You said yourself that you love arguing and that you can do this all day. And I'm having a conversation, just because I keep responding doesn't mean that I want to keep on going. I'm communicating with you! And my position is strong, trust me. Just don't feel like writing 10+ paragraphs over dumb shit like this.

It seems you're conflating enjoying a debate with obsession. Yes, I mentioned I enjoy arguments, but enjoying intellectual exchanges doesn't mean I’m obsessed with you. It’s about engaging in the back-and-forth of ideas, not fixating on the person across from me. You say you’re having a conversation, but then contradict yourself by claiming you don’t want to continue, yet still respond. That’s the paradox I’m pointing out—if you didn’t want to continue, you’d stop engaging, yet here you are, continuing to reply. You also mention that your position is strong, but it’s curious that you choose not to back it up with clear explanations. If your argument were truly as solid as you claim, you wouldn’t shy away from defending it in greater detail. Instead, you default to vague generalities and dismissiveness. That only weakens your case. Lastly, it’s fine if you don’t want to write long responses, but that’s not an issue for me. If you’re genuinely uninterested in continuing, no one’s forcing you to reply. But you keep responding, which makes me wonder if you're enjoying this just as much as I am.

First off, using OCD as an insult is both inaccurate and ableist. I don’t have that condition, and even if I did, using it as an insult is both inaccurate and dismissive of people who actually struggle with it. Just because I enjoy a debate doesn’t mean I have OCD, and labeling someone with a mental health condition in this way isn’t funny or clever. It’s just disrespectful. If you were actually trying to make a point, it would be more effective to focus on the topic instead of throwing around insults. As for your claim that I’m “riding on everyone’s dick,” I’m engaging in a conversation, not obsessed with it. The fact that I’m responding to what you’re saying means I’m interested in the discussion. But if you’re really “done” and “don’t feel like writing paragraphs,” why are you still replying? It seems like you’re not as over this as you claim. (;

It’s clear that you're upset about being labeled, and I understand how it feels to be mischaracterized. However, the reason I called you a fujoshi was due to your earlier comment about defending BL content. It wasn’t meant as a personal attack, but to address the larger context of our discussion. If the term "fujoshi" doesn't align with how you see yourself, I apologize for the miscommunication. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the term, in some contexts, refers to individuals who fetishize BL content. If you don’t see yourself in that way, then that’s your prerogative, and I respect that. Regarding your claim that I’m homophobic—this wasn’t my intent at all, and I would appreciate the same level of respect and understanding in return. I’m not here to attack you for your reading preferences, but rather to point out the contradictions in this conversation. If you’re really not enjoying this exchange, it’s entirely in your power to stop responding. But, as you keep engaging, it seems like you might be enjoying the back-and-forth. There’s no shame in that, but it does make your claims of being “done” with the conversation seem a little contradictory. Also, I’m not trying to act like a "smartass"—I’m addressing the points you've raised, and if that comes across as me using larger vocabulary or seeming over-explaining, that’s not an attempt to come off as pretentious. I’m simply participating in this discussion. If you feel like it’s a waste of time or that I’m “doing nothing,” then you’re welcome to walk away, but continuing to engage makes it seem like you’re invested in this conversation, even if you don’t want to admit it.

It’s odd that you’re bringing up my sexuality as if it somehow invalidates my opinion on the matter. Just because I’m straight doesn’t mean I can’t engage in a discussion about BL or queer topics. Your assumption here is irrelevant to the points we’re debating. Everyone, regardless of their sexuality, can critique or discuss different forms of media, including queer stories. It’s not an exclusive club for those who fit your exact criteria. Also, accusing me of having “beef” with the OP isn’t really an argument. I don’t have beef with OP. I just realized thought it was funny and hypocritical of them since they read BL. I don’t need to be on one side or the other. And again, you’re still responding, which contradicts your claims of not enjoying this or wanting it to end. If you don’t want to be here, you have the ability to walk away. But you keep replying.

Also, The reality is that BL, as a genre, has deep roots in its creation by straight women for other straight women, particularly in its early forms in Japan. Yaoi, known for its aesthetically pleasing male characters, was developed by female creators, primarily for a female audience. So, you can see why my perspective on the genre is valid, even as a straight person.You seem to be focused on shutting down anyone who doesn’t fit your narrow view, but that doesn’t invalidate the larger cultural context of BL. It’s not exclusively a space for queer people. It’s a genre that has been enjoyed by many, including straight women, since its inception.

That's literally my intention, to insult you. And I'm glad that you see it as disrespectful so you can fuck off. And it's a fact that OCD is bad, that's why I said get help for it, can your brain not comprehend anything at all? I'm talking about the type of OCD where one individual is obsessed with the other, it is bad and I'm just saying the truth that you should seek help for it because that's what you have. And it comes off as disrespectful, I could give two shits nor was I trying to be ableist. Once again, you know nothing about me, so I don't care about whatever stupid ass assumptions you make about me. Literally go cry about it like the OP and drink your tears you sensitive bitch. You should learn not to be so obsessed with arguing then, because your OCD is showing and no one wants part of it. So like I said just fuck off, I'm sorry the blunt truth hurts.( ̄へ ̄)

How about you walk away? I've mentioned that I don't wanna engage with your ass and you ignored me and you STILL keep going, it's like you don't understand what consent and boundaries are. I mentioned multiple of times that I DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE WITH YOU and you still keep going on and on and it's getting pathetic. While we're act it, what's your gender identity? And how old are you? Because if you're a stupid ass kid that I'm arguing with right now, I'm no longer engaging with you because only adults are allowed to get be riled up and I hate fucking kids.

Oh, your sexuality as a lot to do with it, especially if you're trying to act like you know how queer people feel when you yourself are probably not queer. So, what are you? Straight? Gay? Lesbian? Bisexual? Pansexual? Asexual? Whatever the fuck you are, it can't be straight if you're going to speak on shit you know nothing about.

The issue isn’t bluntness—it’s the fact that you’re relying on ableist language and assumptions to make your point. Claiming that you're "not trying to be ableist" doesn’t erase the impact of what you said. Using OCD as an insult to dismiss someone’s behavior trivializes a serious condition, regardless of your intent. There’s a difference between speaking the "truth" and making baseless accusations rooted in stereotypes. If you genuinely believed in the strength of your arguments, you wouldn’t need to rely on name-calling or pseudo-diagnoses to make your point. Instead, you’d address the discussion at hand directly. Insults and hostile language don’t demonstrate confidence; they signal deflection and a lack of substance. As for telling me to “fuck off,” you’re still here replying, which contradicts your claim that you’re uninterested in continuing this exchange. It seems like you’re putting a lot of energy into a conversation you supposedly don’t want to have. If you’re truly done, the choice to disengage is yours.

I don’t think my reply sent the first time I sent it, so I’m going to say it again;
The reality is that BL, as a genre, has deep roots in its creation by straight women for other straight women, particularly in its early forms in Japan. Yaoi was developed by female creators (straight women) primarily for a female audience (other straight women). So, you can see why my perspective on the genre is valid, even as a straight person. You seem to be focused on shutting down anyone who doesn’t fit your narrow view, but that doesn’t invalidate the larger cultural context of BL. It’s not exclusively a space for queer people. It’s a genre that has been enjoyed by many, including straight women, since its inception.

It’s ironic that you’ve decided to question my age while behaving in a way that raises doubts about your own maturity. Frankly, I had begun to wonder about your age as well—it’s difficult to believe that a fully grown adult would resort to insults, deflections, and accusations rather than addressing the actual points of the conversation. However, I chose not to bring it up because it’s ultimately irrelevant and wouldn’t contribute meaningfully to the discussion. If anything, the way you’ve chosen to communicate—avoiding direct engagement with my arguments and resorting to name-calling—comes across as more childish than productive. A genuine adult would focus on resolving the discussion respectfully or disengaging altogether, not attempting to dismiss the other person through irrelevant questions or inflammatory remarks. If your goal is to stop engaging, the choice is entirely yours, but continuing to argue while accusing me of being “pathetic” or “childish” does nothing to support your position. I’m not sorry to say this and I’ll say it again: I can argue all day. Just stop replying and your issue with me will be solved.

I don't know what to tell you. Hopefully it makes you leave then! And I'm not trying to have an argument with you, because you are the one with no life that keeps on responding to me and not fucking leaving, what the fuck to you expect when you keep poking and poking at someone's back when they've told you to stop doing that? And when they react to it in a hostile manner, you want to act like the victim in this situation which is fucking pathetic. Not gonna lie, you are getting kind of annoying, it's like no matter what I do or how many times I tell you to fuck off, you won't just shut the fuck up and stop typing your fat fingers on the screen. I give the energy someone gives me, and right now, I'm feeling fucking attacked because all you had to do was mind your business, but you wanted to jump in something that didn't concern you and you wanted to play the main character. I'm sorry, but this is real life, you're not that.

Your argument that my sexuality determines the validity of my opinions is fundamentally flawed. Conversations about media, including queer stories, are not limited to individuals who share the same sexuality as the characters or themes being discussed. By your logic, only queer people could ever discuss or critique BL, which is reductive and dismissive of the fact that BL is predominantly consumed—and often created—by people who aren’t queer, especially in its origins in Japan. BL, historically, has been a genre created by straight women for other straight women, so sexuality doesn’t serve as a prerequisite for discussing it. Additionally, you seem to be making assumptions about my knowledge and background based solely on your perception of my sexuality, which is irrelevant to the points I’m raising. It’s possible to critique and analyze media without needing to personally identify with every aspect of it. If anything, your insistence that my perspective is invalid because you *think* I’m straight is more about dismissing my argument than addressing it.

Your response is filled with contradictions and attempts to shift blame, so let me break this down clearly. You claim you don’t want to engage, yet you keep replying. If you genuinely didn’t want to continue, you could have simply chosen not to respond. The fact that you’re still typing lengthy, hostile messages shows you’re just as invested in this conversation as I am, if not more. Secondly, accusing me of “poking” or “attacking” you is disingenuous. Responding to your comments in a debate doesn’t equate to harassment or victimization—it’s called engagement. If you feel “attacked,” that’s likely because you’ve conflated disagreement with personal offense. I’m challenging your points, not insulting you as a person. You, on the other hand, have chosen to rely on insults and dismissive language instead of addressing the actual discussion. Additionally, labeling me as “annoying” or implying I think I’m the “main character” is just another way to avoid taking accountability for your own role in keeping this exchange going. If I’m “playing the main character,” what does that make you, since you’re still actively participating? It’s ironic to accuse me of not minding my business when you’re putting just as much energy into perpetuating this argument. Resorting to hostility and name-calling is not getting you anywhere. If your goal is to stop this exchange, the simplest solution is to disengage. But since you haven’t, it seems like you’re just as committed to proving a point as I am. If you want me to “shut the fuck up,” as you so eloquently put it, the best way to achieve that would be to lead by example and stop responding. Until then, your actions speak louder than your words.

No shut the fuck, what's your age then? And you don't know me bitch. I don't feel the need to act "mature" to laughing stock I'm conversing with right now. I only act mature to people that deserve my maturity, and you don't, so if I find something pathetic or laughable, I'm going to act immature and treat it as such. I'm wondering why you're dodging the question about your age, that's a red flag and it definitely raises questions about your maturity.

Your response proves my earlier point—you’re more focused on derailing the conversation with irrelevant personal attacks than engaging with the actual discussion. My age has no bearing on the validity of my arguments, and your fixation on it is nothing more than a deflection tactic. By your own admission, you’re choosing to “act immature,” which undermines your claim to any moral or intellectual high ground in this exchange. Your assertion that I don’t “deserve” your maturity is laughable because maturity isn’t something you ration out—it’s a reflection of your character and ability to navigate disagreements with respect and composure. If you’re intentionally being immature, then you’re admitting to behaving in bad faith, which only further discredits your position. As for your claim that dodging your irrelevant question is a “red flag,” let me clarify: I’m not dodging it—I’m refusing to entertain it because it has no relevance to the conversation. You’re grasping at straws to avoid addressing the core issues, and that speaks volumes about your inability to counter my points meaningfully. If you genuinely believe I’m not worth your maturity, then why are you still engaging at all? It seems contradictory to claim you don’t care while putting so much energy into this back-and-forth. If you want to prove your point, focus on substance rather than baseless accusations and inflammatory language. Otherwise, you’re only demonstrating that you’re more interested in winning an argument through insults than actually resolving anything.

Okay, I'm completely aware that most BL manga and manhwa are created by straight women that fetishize it. Does that shit disgust me? Yeah, and I hate on the authors too for it. But I can still read a story although I don't like the author and have my personal negative or positive opinion about it. Some straight women portray MLM relationships very well, while there's most that don't and create it specifically for other straight women to fetishize. This one time, I'm admitting that you've actually said ONE thing I agree with, but here's the thing. It's more fun for me to argue with someone that's like me. Not literally like me as though you were stepping in my shoes, but in a sense that you are queer and grown enough to actually engage in a conversation with me.

Your admission that you’re aware of BL’s origins and its problematic elements actually reinforces my original point: sexuality doesn’t dictate one’s ability to discuss or critique media. If you can read BL, recognize its issues, and still form an opinion on it despite being disgusted by some aspects, then you should understand why my sexuality is irrelevant to this conversation. Discussions about media transcend personal identity, as they’re about analyzing content, themes, and impact, not about gatekeeping based on who’s “allowed” to engage. Your claim that it’s “more fun” to argue with someone who’s queer reflects a personal preference, not a rule about who can contribute meaningfully to the discussion. You don’t have to enjoy debating with me, but that doesn’t invalidate my perspective. Furthermore, this preference shouldn’t give you the authority to dismiss my arguments simply because I don’t meet your criteria. Wwhether or not I’m queer—or “grown enough,” as you put it—doesn’t change the validity of what I’ve said. You can choose to engage or not, but dismissing me on the basis of assumptions about my identity reflects more about your approach to the conversation than it does about me. If you genuinely want a meaningful dialogue, it shouldn’t matter whether the other person perfectly aligns with your preferences.

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Oh, you blocked me. I take that as a win. But sorry, I like getting the last word. Assuming I’m a minor simply because I stated that my age is irrelevant to the discussion shows how desperate you are to avoid engaging with the actual points I’ve raised. Your response doesn’t address a single argument I’ve made, and instead, you’re resorting to baseless assumptions to dismiss me entirely. This isn’t a debate tactic—it’s just intellectual laziness. Whether I’m a minor or an adult has no impact on the validity of my arguments. If anything, I’m probably older than you. I can tell by the way you conduct yourself. Facts, logic, and reasoning stand on their own, regardless of who’s presenting them. Instead of fixating on my personal information, which I’ve made clear is irrelevant, perhaps you should reflect on why you’re unable or unwilling to respond to the actual content of my argument. By saying 'have a day you deserve and fuck off,' you’re not only avoiding the conversation entirely but also confirming that you’re incapable of defending your stance with anything beyond hostility and assumptions. If you don’t want to engage meaningfully, that’s your choice—but don’t pretend you’ve made a valid point by throwing out insults and walking away. You have a day you deserve, too, darling.

Mm hm, even after I've blocked you, you still try to find a way to communicate with you. You're definitely obsessed. I rather we don't flood the OPs replies with our argument and we take it into the site's DMing system because they're probably getting spammed with notifications of replies and I know how annoying that is.

The fact that you unblocked me just to send this message contradicts the idea that you're trying to disengage. If anyone is keeping this conversation alive unnecessarily, it's you. As for moving the discussion to DMs, I agree that flooding OP's replies isn’t ideal. However, given your earlier behavior, I’m not inclined to continue this in private. If you genuinely want to stop, the solution is simple: don't respond. The fact that you're still here suggests you're more interested in prolonging this than resolving anything. It’s funny at this point. Take yourself out of your own misery.

My own misery? Of course this is misery, and you're basically insulting yourself because you're the misery here. I blocked you and you still tried to engage with me indirectly by doing it outside of my replies. You're a stupid petty bitch. At this point, I'mma just say a few things to get you to fuck off. I'm going to shove my big fat cock in your mouth and make you gag on that shit until you fucking don't speak anymore. I will shove it so far up your throat, you won't even have a voice anymore. You're a loud mouth, stupid whore. Am I making you uncomfy with my sexual comments? Good. Now you'll leave me alone.

Your attempt to frame this as “my misery” or me being the misery is amusing considering you’re still here replying after claiming you blocked me to end the conversation. Clearly, you’re contradicting yourself yet again. As for your sexual comments, they’re not making me uncomfortable—they’re making you look desperate to shock me into silence. Frankly, I find them more funny than intimidating, and they only highlight the lack of substance in your argument. If this is your idea of “winning,” it says more about you than it does about me. You’ve shown repeatedly that you’re more interested in escalating than disengaging. If you genuinely wanted me to leave you alone, you wouldn’t have unblocked me to send this message in the first place. Once again, the solution is simple: stop replying. Until then, you can keep trying with these over-the-top remarks. I’ll just keep laughing at how hard you’re working to sound edgy instead of making a coherent point.

I'm not trying to be edgy or intimidate you. But if that's how you see it, good. You need to leave, because I took myself out of the situation and you're just being chatty. So, since you wanna keep this up like your life depends on it, I might as well entertain myself until YOU block me. If you block me, that would actually make me so happy, so I don't gotta see people like you ever again in this comment section. Well... I can still see your comments but at least you won't be able to reply to me or I won't be able to reply to you. You're being stubborn. Just block me or something. If you respond, you actually enjoy choking and gagging on my cock. And you're putting yourself in this situation by not leaving, so you want me to react to you? I'm giving you a reaction since you love arguing so much..

If your goal is for me to block you, then I’m sorry to disappoint—I won’t. Why? Because I’m having way too much fun watching you twist yourself into knots trying to "win" this argument. You claim you're not trying to intimidate me, but the sheer amount of effort you're putting into these replies says otherwise. You unblocked me, after all, just to keep this going. Your fixation on me leaving is ironic, considering you keep engaging. It’s almost like you don’t actually want this to end, but instead need my attention to feel entertained. You could have stayed out of this, yet here you are, throwing in every insult you can think of, hoping one sticks If anyone’s being stubborn, it’s you—clinging to the idea that I’ll block you when, honestly, I’m entertained by your theatrics. So, go ahead, keep trying. Every reply only shows how much you care about this argument you pretend to hate. We can make this an enemies to lovers if you’d like.

Yes, we’ve reached the “flirting through insults” stage—classic enemies-to-lovers. unfortunately, I’m not here to send you anything except these words, and I certainly won’t block you. Why would I deprive myself of the amusement of watching you try so hard to make this weird dynamic work in your favor? You find me irritating and sexy? Sounds like you’re having a bit of an existential crisis about me. Don’t worry; it happens to the best of us. But if you’re looking for titty pics, I’ll have to disappoint you there too—this isn’t that kind of fan service. So, what’s next? More flirting? A desperate plea for me to leave? Or are we just going to keep dancing in this oddly entertaining stalemate? I like it.

Yeah, you're fucking crazy. I don't know who's crazy, you, me, or both of us. But it's just you who's fucking crazy, I'm perfectly sane and normal unlike you. You got no life at all, your life is fucking yourself with a dildo. That is your life you crazy bitch. And there is fan service, who said you're making the rules here? I am since you're engaging with me.

Aw, you laughed? I feel so honored! See, I knew I could break through that tough, insult-slinging exterior of yours. Crazy? Maybe. Whore? Only if I’m getting paid for this level of entertainment. But really, you’re just feeding my ego now. Honestly, every time you reply, I giggle and kick my feet like I’m living in some trashy romance novel, waiting for the plot twist where you confess your undying love. So please, keep the compliments—oops, I mean insults—coming. Your turn. Let’s see what you’ve got next. Don’t disappoint me, I’m counting on you!

Crazy? Absolutely. But you’re still here willingly engaging with this “crazy bitch,” so what does that make you? Perfectly sane and normal? Sane people don’t stick around for this. They block and move on. But here you are, throwing insults and emojis like we’re old friends bantering. And as for the rules, I didn’t realize I handed you the reins, but okay, Queen of Fan Service, what’s your next command? Shall I keep amusing you with my replies, or are you going to keep spiraling into these oddly specific fantasies about my life? (Spoiler: your imagination might need some work, it’s getting repetitive.)

I'm not trying to be entertaining, I'm trying to make you uncomfortable so you'll fucking leave already. No wonder you're like this, you have an ego that you don't deserve to have. Everyone must me sick of your ass on here and in real life. You're that one person in the friend group that never stops fucking talking to the point where you ruining the mood for everyone. I knew you were nothing but a obsessed, dirty whore. And judging by the way you're behaving, you're definitely into esexing and writing degenerate porn. Go lick someone's toes you weird bitch. You stay on my dick nonstop. Is it that good? Holy shit. Fuck off.

Go sell your body on OF, they'll definitely love you slut. If you ain't sending those titty pics then you're not worth my damn time. I actually have a life unlike you, so I'm gonna end shit here. At least people will read your comments and see how much of a attention-seeking whore you are. Couldn't be me.

Wow, that was… a lot. Trying to make me uncomfortable? That’s cute. But all you’re really doing is proving how much effort you’re willing to put into keeping this going. If you really wanted me gone, you’d stop replying. Yet here you are, writing me essays about how much I apparently live rent-free in your head. As for my “ego,” maybe it’s big because I’m having a great time while you’re clearly losing your cool. Calling me obsessed when you’re the one unblocking me and spamming me with insults is peak irony. If I’m the problem, why are you so pressed to keep engaging? You can keep tossing out the insults, but let’s be real, all you’re doing is giving me free entertainment. So, thanks for that. Let’s see if you’ve got anything more creative next time, or if you finally take your own advice and move on.

Ah, so we’ve reached the “I have a life” exit line—classic move. If you actually had better things to do, you wouldn’t still be here typing out insults and demands for nonexistent titty pics. You’ve been as invested in this as I have, so spare me the holier-than-thou routine. Look, if you want to end it, just... end it? No need for the whole slut-shaming performance art piece. It’s giving very much “I learned my insults from a 2005 chat room.” But hey, thanks for the entertainment! Maybe next time we can disagree about Manwha without the whole attempting-to-degrade-women thing? Just a thought! In the meantime, I think I’ll stick to my current gig: living rent-free in your head. If people read these comments, they’ll see someone having the time of their life (me) and someone trying desperately to sound unbothered while clearly being the opposite (you). Take care, and don’t miss me too much when you “end shit here.”

Did I ever say I hate yaoi? Did we have a moment where we misinterpreted things like on Twitter? Can you find where I said I hate yaoi? You can't because you're biased and just seem to dislike straight people. I enjoy both yaoi and straight stories equally, but I dislike when people hate on straight stories for doing the same things yaoi does. It's all fictional; these characters and situations don’t exist in reality. I appreciate stories that push boundaries beyond human norms, regardless of gender or whether they feature same-sex or straight relationships. Just don’t be biased. You didn’t prove me wrong at all—this whole argument is nonsense. No one is “exposing” me; they’re just proving they’re acting unintelligent. Trying to argue here feels like talking to a rodent—pointless and going nowhere. They just won’t admit they’re wrong.
Why does he like Kim Dan? Was it because he's different than his usual fuck buddies?
it's because kim dan is described to be "the tightest" and or be best feeling ass he's ever had
It'll be no different than fucking a xx small fleshlight, what he did is literally criminal. He also has plans to just kidnap and put Kim in a duffle bag bruh he's a psychopatj
Well i think because most of his fk buddies always threw themselves at him but dan is pulling away, showing resistance and for once great jaekyung isn’t getting his way and he likes that, the challenge, the whole playing hard to get game dan is playing now.
definitely part of the reason! he hates it when people try and show him affection but he hates it more to be denied