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I really hope the author uses this plot to expose abusers, and not as some Stockholm syndrome romance. It’ll likely be the latter, unfortunately ┗( T﹏T )┛

Oh my god, 100%... I know it’s inconvenient for everyone’s desired “happy-ending”, but this is just not an good representation of what power-play or Bdsm is... Chanwoo was obviously uncomfortable and MD undeniably knows that Chanwoo is having issues following their limits and safe-words... MD taking advantage of Chanwoo for his own emotional gain is really stressful and fucked up... I kinda just want MD and Chanwoo to completely end it and go their separate ways for the emotional and mental health of them both and for some semblance of bdsm realism.

Unless if md addresses the fact that he abused chanwoo, I don’t see this resembling real bdsm ever again ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ it was so good in the beginning, although that bit where he whipped chanwoo for leaving early was iffy... I was willing to overlook that for the sake of it being just porn, but this kind of stuff just isn’t acceptable.

I love your comment so much I wish I could give it more likes. All of the points you're making are SO important!

Yea, I just want people to know why this chapter (and md) is so toxic. Some people don’t even both debating the fact that they’re abuse excusers, because they know they’re wrong but they don’t want to admit it lol

I'm not even in the bdsm community but I wholeheartly agree with your comment. Know that there are people who understand <3 This is abuse, not bdsm

he was super toxic in ch37 too - it's basically a repeat. this author sheesh.
MD loses his cool and extends the play without consent. Chanwoo likes it ...which I'm not surprised since he's used to being hit by all his partners whether or not they do BDSM :|

THIS. The instant md suspected that chanwoo was unstable, he should’ve ended their sessions. He’s an abusive manipulator, and I hope the author uses this situation to expose him dirtying the name “bdsm”

Yes yes. I am not confident the author knows proper bdsm though... so I'm not very hopeful. I think we'll go down the usual toxic redemption route

Probably tbh. This is their first work, so they’ll most likely have a vanilla ending where chanwoo excuses md’s behavior as scorn and gets with him. Just like how the main story ended, they shouldn’t have gotten back together. Alex was abusive as well, and dg should’ve moved on to a better relationship. Alex could’ve learned from his mistakes and tried again with someone else. But alas, complex plot points are always tossed away in favor of whatever the vanilla people want.

Perfectly said! It's nice to see all of the points/arguments in one place so people can use it as reference.

Thank you! (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

My thoughts exactly!

I also am finding it kind of funny that no ones tried to argue with me yet lmaooo they know they’re wrong and the only other argument they could have is that they’re slut-shaming, victim blaming abuse excusers

I was just reading the comments and came across yours. Now that I see it from that perspective I think MD lost himself to his jealousy and also wanted to get back at Chanwoo. He's a professional in the BDSM world; there is no way MD doesn't know the rules of consent. Did ya'll see that mean smile he gave out while in the cafe? MD has done Chanwoo wrong! I hope this doesn't escalate in the next chapter :/

I hope so too （/TДT)/ unlike chanwoo, he is mentally and emotionally stable, so he knows what he’s doing. he’s just throwing a dangerous tantrum like a child who was told “no” for the first time

Exactly. Also it doesn't matter what you say or how well you explain things they use the same arguments over and over again trying to cover up the abuse. In most cases it's not even worth your time since you'll never reach a middle ground.

Oh my gosh same! It's already bad I don't want it to get worse. I just want them to stop and go their separate ways, it's difficult for me to see the light in the tunnel.

MD is literally acting like a spiteful manchild trying to get revenge on an abuse victim using BDSM as a cover. Disgusting!

people calling Chanwoo a hoe for finding lovers real quick gets me upset but Chanwoo past must be really bad if he keeps finding partners after another its like hes desperate for "love" and each one of the guys he dates keep abusing him, and sometimes when ur a victim you can act dumb sometimes and shit can ruin trust and yourself.. but people that says he deserved it, i dont think they ever been abused to the point of them not being able to say no, yes chanwoo rejected him saying no, but Chanwoo dont want to lose the relationship with MD thats why he agreed to things, and i dont think people are getting a differene between BDSM and emotional and physical abuse, i never tried BDSM but i was a victim of abuse mental, and physical so its hard and i can act like a piece of shit sometimes but cmon? he deserved it ? really?

i have to write these over again since my shit was taking long to load, I FULLY agree MD told the new guy to kiss hoim, the new guy did Chanwoo didnt know he was gonna get kiss, the new guy didnt have consent to kiss him thats why Chanwoo face was wierd and he pushed him away and it seems to me like MD knows Chanwoo cant say no, and while i thought MD was manipulating somebody said that, thats what they do in BDSM manipulate people which i disagree

and people are getting BDSM and unsafe BDSM mixed u, and MD literal saw Chanwoo get Humiliated and still smacked him, and if i was being real in my opinion MD kinda acts like CHanwoo old exes MD knows Chanwoo wont say the safe word, and some people say hes doing it until CHanwoo says it ? so how about if CHanwoo never says it, he can get really hurt.. and i think Chanwoo gonna break down at some point, and we dont even know half the backstory yet and some people already assuming

I completely agree with you.

Of course it's difficult for abuse victims to think straight and act properly, they were abused that's the whole point - their way of viewing things is different due to the trauma and manipulation they've experienced. No one deserves to be treated like this!

I'm sorry this happened to you, I hope you were able to live past it and get better. Sending you lots of love and happy vibes (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Chanwoo specifically does not know his worth and that's why he cannot refuse things easily. He believes that's what he is worth. All he needs is patience, kindness and love and he'll find his way again. It's really disgusting of MD to take advantage of his past and weaknesses. I don't know why people can't see that.

MD has made me feel uncomfortable for a while now, he seems too emotionally unstable and immature to participate in BDSM. We can see this behaviour displayed in previous chapters. He treats his subs like trash - kicking them out right after a session or completely ridiculating them. That's not how BDSM works. Such acts need to be agreed upon before the actual play takes place in order for both parties to consent.

Agreed! Why does MD feel the urge to push the one he supposedly loves to his limits? Without his consent? He knows his struggles and I'm sure he feels/sees how uncomfortable he is. He literally just got his heart broken in front of you, who acts like that? And that disgusting smirk, his intentions are clear as day. Gross!

He is in a way blackmailing him cause it's either you stay or I leave you for another sub. It's just all so wrong.

ONGGG BRO

I want to hug you so much, this is the best comment so farrrrr!

ur making me cry, honestly im so happy people brung this up because when i share my comments about this people always going agaisnt me and saying thats how bdsm work but im like theres a line between abuse and bdsm . And im so glad you said this im getting emotional ahhhh

Now that people have mentioned it, I will reread chapter 37. this shit is getting intense, to OP, I wish you could repost this every now and then?

Yeah, as long as we keep commenting it’ll go to the top of the topic board

Challenge accepted (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

You’re welcome, friends! Abuse is such a sensitive topic, and a lot of people walk over it like it’s nothing. You, and everyone else, deserve to be treated well. Nobody deserves to be abused. Ever. Under any circumstances.

I reread it. It was so bad I actually had forgotten it. Again we see early on that MD is emotionally driven and brings his frustrations into their sessions which is wrong and uncalled for.

This couple had so much potential, I'm disappointed!

were you the one who got blocked by people who were saying that MD was right by giving Chanwoo a lesson and you reply them with abusive quotes like “babe, I hit you because you know I love you right?” hahahaha that shit is funny

*thats so raven voice* Yep that’s me!

They just want to use bdsm as an excuse to abuse their partners. But NO ONE wants to be called out on supporting abuse. They’ll support abusive “bdsm”, but never domestic abuse oh no. “Im not a domestic abuser, I just like to beat and humiliate my non consensual partner” smfh

Thank you, and yeah its been hard but people like youguys that uderstands makes me happy and its the past now> yall are really sweet

i literaaly love you even tho ion know you, your a great person

I’ll admit, I also forgot about how problematic their start was until recently. I’ll even admit that I was willing to let that go as a simple mistake. But mistakes aren’t made several times over with escalating intensity...

facts and people are saying that MD is tryna make Chanwoo say the safe words .. but what if he never does ? are they still gonna say that he doing that to make him say it? its a better idea to talk things out or MD get therapy for Chanwoo, MD is doing it the unsafe way, and MD needs to show Chanwoo that he could trust hi in a better way

I'm happy to hear that, stay strong (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Oh stop ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ thank you.

I’m actually a criminology grad specializing in sex crimes, which is where my passion comes from, I guess haha well, and I’m a fan of bdsm. As fans, we shouldn’t tolerate abuse being called bdsm. People are like, “it’s fiction uwu” acting like this isn’t the most popular series on this website with, like, the 2nd highest amount of views. If anything, this is a great place to start objecting to it. The more people see this, the more misunderstandings will be cleared

Exactly. I'm not sure why we all thought he was an experienced compassionate dom. We were blinded by the thrill of smut. Shame on us (￣∇￣")

Also why would you hurt your loved one in order to make him learn to not get hurt? It doesn't make sense! MD is the same If not worse than the exes. At least they were honest pieces of shit not hiding behind BDSM.

i like how theres alot of supporter of MD, and alot of people dsrespecting Chanwoo and saying thats what he gets? WTF some people are dumb and sick, like i bet if they were in Chanwoo position its a different position, and then people switch up after they hear the full story

Why did we ever think that MD was an experienced compassionate Dom? I guess we were all blinded by the smut! Shame on us (￣∇￣")

bra exactly, its making the victim more traumatized, the best way to do it is getting therapy and talk shit out if he keeps doing whats hes doing shits gonna get dangerous

My replies never went through for some reason.

@juuulya why did we ever think that MD was a compassionate experienced Dom? We were obviously blinded by the smut! Shame on us (￣∇￣")

@juminhanisgay I don't get how people think it's okay to intentionally hurt a person in order to show them your affection! "Oh let me hurt you in order to teach you, you should not let other people hurt you". Make it make sense! This is so wrong.

MD is just as bad as his exes if not worse! At least they didn't hide their toxic abusive behaviour behind the BDSM cover. They were honest pieces of trash!

This tho ┗( T﹏T )┛ I’m sorry I didn’t notice sooner

Yeah I’ve been having a lot of connection issues lately. Like, getting the “host not responding” error. Might be due to high web traffic, or something

Perhaps, sorry if my replies went through 5 times hahaha

Don't worry, we were all fooled by the pretty art and yummy smut! We will be wiser going forward!

i remember i commented my opinion on insta and this girl said Chanwoo doesnt have the right to get jealous since he rejcted MD bt chanwoo doesnt even look mad about that he look more mad cause he got HUmiliated and another girl said if he wanted it to stop he couldve said it but ion think they understand and she said love and abuse doesnt matter in the abuse settings and they said i was speaking nonsense since i said there 2 different things. like are you serious?

You can't change stupid people's minds ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Don't waste your energy!

thank youu

It looks like most of the people commenting are understanding now. Phew~

Still no arguer? Huh, almost as if there isn’t a valid argument to be made......

I wish I could give you so much more likes, haha. thank you for making this post and for having some compassion and common sense. I hope chanwoo will be okay in the end..

Thank you! And it’s You and me both, friend. Hopefully he gets some professional help and moves on from the abuse into a healthy relationship. We probably won’t get that ending, but we can wish ╮(￣▽￣)╭

please reply with your god tier quote to some bitches who still feel that Chanwoo deserves it, cause It’s freaking hilarious HAHAHAH

I LOVE YOUUUUU, I WANNA SHOUT THIS FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS

Thank you so much for exampleing bdsm relationships and how they work I have always wondered about is but couldn't grasp what it really was. I was also upset when Md hit Chanwoo I actually could not read the chapter full because of it.

I just had someone tell me I'm wrong for saying this couple has crossed the line. They like bdsm so it's mean of me to judge them. Like WHAT?

If you like something you are incapable of having a brain I guess ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I've been using this thread as reference and sending it to people cause it's tiring writing the same thing over and over again. Especially to people who don't want to listen.

At least now everything is condensed in one thread!

I’m going to start doing this too. I’ve legit been arguing with people since the hour this chapter got posted and I am tired of saying the same shit over and over again

Right? This thread is super helpful.

You’re welcome, friends! Misunderstandings need to be cleared, and abuse excusers need to be outed (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

dude I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same tbh. They bring up one point, and when u adequately explain why that’s incorrect, they bring up another and another and another. The worst part is, is that I don’t think they really mean to be malicious they just don’t know and are making up their own conclusions. Obviously some people are just assholes, but a lot of them just don’t know

I just tried to educate someone by referring them to this thread and they were like "no, thanks - not interested". #－.－)

Why bother commenting and stating your harmful opinions when you are not up for discussion? They don't even try to understand our side. So sad!

You wrote such a well done explanation! I definitely agree that what md is doing is abuse and gross tbh. He’s basically trying to force Chan woo into a relationship and he’s just as bad as all those “assholes” he was talking about that chanwoo dated. He’s a hypocrite and that slap at the end was so fucked and in a real relationship would be a huge red flag, cause like you said consent doesn’t carry. Just cause he likes it rough doesn’t mean he can slap him, plus chanwoo has horrible self-worth and let’s people mistreat him. I think that if people still want to root for the md and chanwoo couple that’s completely fine. There’s no harm in that cause after all this is a fictional work. So if people wanna brush off what happened then that’s on them and that’s okay, however people have to know and accept that if this happened in real life and if this was a real life relationship this would be messed up and it would be abuse. As long as they’re aware of that then it’s okay. After all it’s fiction but as long as they can seperate fiction from reality, then that’s all that matters.

I'm so happy someone actually said this. I hate how quickly people started hating on Chanwoo for rejecting MD because he's ''such a hot and respectable man''. Chanwoo stated from the very beginning that MD wasn't his type. So even if there is a slight attraction, Chanwoo was never obligated to date him. Chanwoo clearly has issues when it comes to relationships and giving consent.

And the whole "Well he made MD upset" argument is extremely toxic, because what about Chanwoo's feelings? Why don't you consider how Chanwoo is feeling about this situation? Why is it only MD's feelings that matter?

I was rooting for them to be endgame, but now..not so much. I'd rather see Chanwoo happy with someone who won't manipulate him. (￣∇￣")

Just call them out on being excusers and move on. People like that aren’t worth your time girl

Yeah that’s such a pathetic argument. “Uwu he hurted md’s feewwings” like just say that you’re an incel lmaoooooo

I personally think that if my partner ever treat me like md did i would be hella upset and mad. It's okay to play games or roles in bedroom as long it doesn't grows into abuse. Slap is a big deal for me, but bigger concern is chanwoo's mental state. It's not okay to be in bdsm relationship with someone who is incapable to see their limit. And md had the proof that chanwoo's case was the same.

You are right! I just replied cool, no worries. There's no point in dragging the conversation any longer

╮(￣▽￣)╭

Exactly! Why push someone who has trouble setting boundaries? And all that with the excuse of love whilst covering abuse and manipulation with BDSM!

(︶︿︶)＝凸

no me love you

For real. Not love at all. A person actually in love would never hurt their loved one like this...

That's what's driving me insane! Getting hurt doesn't equal love. Maybe it's obsession but definitely not love!

Exactly. If someone did this to me, I’d tear them a new asshole lmaooo

I’m going to post random facts every once in a while to keep this topic at the top. Did you know that 91% of rape victims are female, and 9% are male? People often think that men can not/are not victims, but it is possible!

My replies refuse to go through hahhaha

Yes this is obsession not love. Abuse doesn't equal love no matter how much the abuser thinks so.

MD’s actions will never be justified just because he was upset. are they saying that MD is spiteful and would to this for revenge!?lol. MD’s feelings matter because he is such a hot stud. if this happened in a trailer and md is an ugly bastard... MD’s feelings wouldn’t matter lol

me thinks that author san would pull the “Im sorry... I am asshole, but I love you! so pls forgive me”. card

Of course it is. Men can experience abuse as well. Some men are not as strong physically or emotionally so they can't protect themselves. Also drugs can get involved.

But women have it worse for sure.

Same (︶︿︶)＝凸

I’m having such bad connection and lag issues (〜￣△￣)〜 like I’m getting notifications that posts are being made, but they won’t load when I try and look at them

bro same

exactly, he has no right to do whats he's doing and people saying MD is wise? literally how tho, he might end up making Chanwoo endangered if he keeps shit up and hurting him physicaaly even for the play or not, and i will never understand why people are laughing when he got humiliated and smacked, and if the author do pull that card im not saying she shouldnt but its always the same boring story " oh i forgive you" type shit

Same! It's so annoying. It might just be a mangago thing if both of us have similar issues.

same one fact about domestic abuse is "A woman is assaulted or beaten every nine seconds." i pray for those women, god bless them please do well

Exactly. We are bored of that already. We want stupid people to take responsibility for their actions even in FiCtIOn!! I don't want to gloss over the abuse I want it acknowledged and dealt with ASAP!

BUT I know that's not happening. Even the og couple had issues with rape etc. So sad, I love the ending and the art but why use rape whyyyyy

So freaking sad. I wish I could protect everyone so no one would get hurt anymore. Any form of abuse is not tolerated in my books!
┗( T﹏T )┛

preachhhhhhhhh

samee

Testing to see if the connection issue cleared up

Remember y’all, if you referred them here and they still are going on, ignore them after. They’re trolling and know that they’re wrong but won’t admit it. Not worth our time, when we can help people who actually don’t know what’s wrong and are misunderstanding

Connection issue test

Smfh this lag tho

My stuff is STILL not loading smh

~All I want for christmaaaaas~ is the fucking posts to load

~When oh when~ will my fucking comments load

Still not going through

FINALLY

Bring this to topppppp

I was getting notifications but 0 posts. You made it, congrats!

I wonder if there’s a page limit

Let's find out hahaha

I told my friend who’s an e-dominitrix about this chapter, and she basically confirmed everything I posted. So anyone claiming to have had a play like this should never speak to that “dom” again lol

Wonder where the 25 extra dislikes came from... someone got the crew lmao

36 dislikes and not ONE of y’all cowards have tried to make your point here. Kinda makes ya think that there isn’t a point to make, huh?
Until someone does, imma just assume 36 abuse excusers seen my post and didn’t like being called out lmao

HAHAHAHA SOMEONE MADE A BUNCH OF ACCOUNTS. I AM TELLING YOU. someone is fucking salty than MD himself

Fr lmaooo the truth really fuckin hurts

~you raise me uuuuuup~

Up

Hahahha so true

63 dislikes and still not ONE challenger. Fucking cowards, y’all are pathetic... or should I just say you are pathetic since it’s one person making multiple accounts?

not tryna be rude but those are the same people that wont say it to our faces or even comment about it, like its okay if dont agree, but you will respect our opinions and not bringing up any names but there this one bitch i wanna smack so much like, then they have the nerve to make me not reply to there coment after they called me dumb, some of them are big pussies, like wtf stay on hush mode bbyy girl

they always put MD as a "dom" as an excuse like wtf, also they needa stop calling us a troll when they are XOXO

new facts of the day "Abuse damages your self-esteem."

81 dislikes? Bruh u can keep wasting your time making fake accounts, nobody cares lmaoooooo we still have 100 actual likes, so... ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i like how they cant comment their opinion

Bc they’re a coward and they know they’re wrong lol

92! How do u have this much time on your ha- oh. Guess we all bored here huh

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someone is really bored disliking this post lol. up we goooo

97 and still no posts. I wonder if it’s someone who got offended by my domestic abuse quotes lmaoooo

The raws for the next chapter are out! I'm not gonna say much as I don't want to spoil anyone.

Also I think it's better to read it in English before saying much. Excited to hear your thoughts after the translation!

Woohoo 98 y’all!!! And the fuckin coward still hasn’t shown themselves

I bought almost every chapter of the main story, but like hell im gonna support this bs. Maybe if the author somehow writes themselves out of this, I’ll go buy them, but for now, nah

We’re almost hitting 100 dislikes! Come on y’all let’s keep calling them out, maybe we can get to 125

They are available for free on toonkor but I understand. I can't wait for your commentary!

I just found it, not being able to read the dialog sucks tho.

On a different note damn shitty boyfriend got long dick style

I do love that MD in korean is spelled em di nim

The safeword is “banirra”? Vanilla? Idk why I’m tryna read the korean lmao

I know right? I can get the general feel of the chapter but I'll wait for the translation before jumping to conclusions. Still don't approve of MD though!

Thank you SO MUCH

Oh my god I couldn't have explained this any better. Every time I read someone trying to argue that this shit was totally acceptable because they're into BDSM I actually wanted to cry. BDSM is not abusive

101 babeyyyyyyyy

101 Dalmatians

Yea it really sucks that we don’t get an accurate series smh

101 salty DM stans HAHAHAH

Oml thank you so so so so so much for this comment I genuinely can't express how grateful I am, you summed everything up perfectly. If only Chanwoo had a respectful and understanding BDSM partner like you wtf

i bet its that one person that called us a trolls and her lil friend but i jst realize shes always talking about us "trolls" she addicted to us

Nah bro more like one or two salty md stans who have a lot of time on their hands to make a fuck ton of fake accounts lmaoooo

Someone seriously just told me a “your mom” joke

Why’re there so many children on this site

Parental blocks engage

8 pages and still not even a single troll

Boop

yasss

We should post some copypastas

Someone really out there spamming the likes

*dislikes

You can only like/dislike once on a post, so

I still stand for this post. (spoiler) MD just wanted to get a "reaction" from Chanwoo... I just wanted to see if there are mistakes from their translation. but no...

Lag again...

Hoooooooly shit y'all it ended and why am I surprised they victim blamed I should really know better

Periodt.

well

This got brought up again and imma just say that I still haven’t received any sort of retort from chanwoo haters. I’m still up for debate 1 year later

I’m gd crying, I wish I could like comments

Hey! Im the translator for this and.....

SPOILER......










There is sex

Yesssssssssssssssss thanks for pleasant spoiler and awesome translations!!

Awesome thank you! Btw thank you for your hard work (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Thank you for the updates

YAAAS
SEX
YESSS SEX SEX SEX SEX *CHANTS*

Amen

Lol be glad that there's an update.
（￣へ￣）

That’s why I said “thanks”. It’s be nice if it was readable tho lmfao