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Why was this written so pretty it hurts my heart

What do you mean with abuse?
The only pain they get from this relationship is pain because they can't be together even though they love each other.

sis haesoo’s been losing weight while in his relationship ship with taku

Yup I don’t think there was abuse happening.

Abuse isn't just physical. And they can be together. They've been fucking just fine for 10 years.

Abuse isn't just physical.

I'd argue he's losing weight because he's in a unhealthy relationship with Joowon which he's trying to cope with by fucking Taku. Taku gives Haesoo the emotional support and love he craves from Joowon. Too insinuate that it's simply his relationship that's the cause of his weight loss and suffering, ignores the glaring reality of the broken and unhealthy relationship he's been in for 10 years.

Example of the abuse? What i mean by together is in relationship/dating. They can't date because their parents gonna be remarrying. So they have this kind of open relationship that they know gonna end when their parents remarried. That's what bring them pain.

And taku is not doing the same. Being pushy and coercing someone can be counted as an abuse too Na.

He losing weight when he is in relationship/dating taku. Joohae already broke up for a while and joowon never bothered their relationship even once.

i get what you mean ig. my comment was more directed @ the “i prefer taku” deal...because everything you just said proves that he’s better off alone than with him. also, while he’s with taku he’s not even in any relationship with joowon, let alone an abusive one (because they split). he WAS in a bad relationship with him, past tense, but a big part of that was on him for projecting this image onto joowon and making assumptions. you can disagree with me and i respect that, but i’ve always viewed the plot as being about two people that fell in love at the wrong time, and perhaps after time apart and self reflections they can come back together.

Ok, but his relationship with Taku isn't the only reason he's losing weight. The relationship between Joowon and Naesoo has never been healthy, and Joowon isn't a good guy. I mean, neither is Taku, tho I'd argue Taku is the ONLY one who's been communicating his intentions even when those intentions are bad. You obviously see some sort of flowery romance between Joowon and Naesoo, but all I see is the constant emotional and mental abuse they put each other through for 10 years. And, like my original comment states, I think Naesoo is addicted to that pain. He misses it and he's craving it more than food. He'll choose Joowon because he doesn't know how not to choose him. I really hate when people try to paint an abusive relationship as "love." You don’t have to hit someone to hurt them over and over again.

Example of the abuse?

"I'd argue Taku is the ONLY one who's been communicating his intentions even when those intentions are bad."

And that's a good thing? He just admits that he is a bad guy. He doesn't say sorry. He doesn't say he regret it either.

character development & plot has left the chat i guess lmao. that being said, the root of their alleged “abuse” was lack of communication, but if they can figure that out and view it as worth the effort I see no reason why they can’t at least attempt something. they’ve also only ever had an open relationship as a result of their environment which caused all of their problems. to say “never been healthy” is a bit extreme...ten years and we’ve only really seen the end of it. youngha’s trying very hard to make both haesoo and the reader realize that there were sweet moments via flashbacks: younger moments, support, etc. I think you’re oversimplifying a super complex aspect of
relationships by reducing everything flawed to abuse.

well okay you deleted your reply nevermind i guess

nevermind again i realize your response was to @25dsdsds not me omg i’m embarrassed ignore me

I feel like you are one of the few people that understand this manhwa. Always excited to read your comments.

I never said Taku was a good guy, only that I prefer him. And at least he admits it. When I see Joowon do the same, perhaps my opinion will change. Until then, I think Taku is the lesser of 2 evils.

Have they really split tho? I'd argue no. The words "let's end this" were said, but we all know it didn't end. And sure, we can say they fell in love at the wrong time, but does that change the subsequent emotional and metal anguish that went on for 10 years? I don't think Taku is the reason for Haesoo's suffering. I think it's a culmination of 10 years of a bad relationship leading into a rebound relationship with a man who is giving Haesoo what he's been wanting from Joowon for so long. To say it's simply his relationship with Taku that's causing his weight loss is an insult to the writer and all the time spent showing the ugliness that occurred before Taku ever came into the picture

I'd prefer all 3 go their separate ways. I hope the story ends that way. But it won't lol. He'll choose Joowon. I prefer Taku because he's the lesser of 2 evils. And also because I hate when abusive relationships are written with the flowery pen of "well maybe after time away from the mental and emotional abuse, they'll reflect, realize they really do love each other, and come back together." The idea that Haesoo can do better or deserves more doesn't matter.

There is a choice. There's been a choice for 10 years. Especially after their parents divorced. But in that time, neither one chose to move forward. They stood still playing the game of "who can hurt each other the most." If you don't think that's abuse, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

They only live together for 3 years. Part ways then meet again when haesoo in university. From the synopsis that posted in lezhin, it seems that they only meet each other again when their parents about to remarrying.

I think my definition of healthy is simply different than yours. Sweet moments are nice, but does the picture as a whole say "healthy?" Not to me. This game is "who can hurt each other more," in my opinion, stems from something deeper than a lack of communication. And I'm all for character development and plot, and I don't see how differing opinions insinuate I or others who might agree with me wouldn't. I don't like Joowon, and despite the obvious shift towards self-reflection and change the writer has him on, I still think he's an arrogant jerk. Taku isn't exactly my favorite either, but I prefer him and his transparency. I also find his journey to love with Haesoo promising, and what could have been the start of something good will likely end with that exhibit. Taku was created to break the chain of abuse holding Joowon and Haesoo back, and once he's served his purpose, he'll no longer be in the picture. Joowon and Haesoo are endgame. They'll finally communicate and everyone (except maybe Taku) will live happily ever after.

There is still a choice. They're grown men now, and if you can fuck each other just fine, then I'm sure you can find a way to build a relationship based on love and not sex. But that's just my opinion.

yes, I do think they split. they haven’t contacted each other, haesoo entered a new relationship right away, and joowon was entirely ready to let haesoo go if that made him happy (86 raws). the fact that they constantly think of each other is no indication that they’re still somehow together (sis they ain’t communicating via their minds )

and yes, you can argue that taku isn’t the sole reason for his suffering. but you also can’t deny the fact that haesoo’s character becoming drastically less expressive than in the beginning and him losing weight only really aligns with the moment he became involved with the other one. his mom realized he was losing weight recently, not the dinner where he was technically still “with” joowon.

anyways, thanks for the good conversation (genuinely). don’t know if you’ve seen my other ones with a special someone else (if you’re reading this, yes this directed @ you) but some people get personally offended for literally no reason. here, i think we’re just on completely opposite ends of the LoH spectrum, so it’ll be near impossible to draw a conclusion, but that’s okay. Personally, I’ve always thought Joowon & Haesoo drove the plot.

If you’re talking about the emotional level, I think neither one of them has inflicted one. It’s just that they’re in that sort of situation that’s causing both of them pain. That’s just my thoughts thou. Anyway, i hope they’ll end up happy together.

I don’t think they're communicating with their minds... I simply think Haesoo's heart isn't in his relationship with Taku. It's still with Joowon, and it's why he's suffering and losing weight. I never denied the fact that Haesoo's decline started with his undefined/defined relationship with Taku. I challenged the idea that it's simply because of Taku and nothing else. I think the weight loss is guilt over being with Taku when his heart is with Joowon, and heartbreak that he's trying to heal by jumping into another relationship he has no idea how to maneuver. All this complicated by the fact that Haesoo has never been in a real relationship, so he has no foundation to base his conflicting feelings on. Is it a surprise that with all that's happened/happening that he'd lose weight? I just think it's interesting how quickly the blame is placed at Taku's feet, and Joowon gets to be the good guy who's just bad at communication and is doing the heoric thing by bowing out so Haesoo can be "happy."

Not sure if all the comments on my original post were directed at me. Hell, I'm not really sure the comment I'm responding to right now is directed at me... but I'm not offended. However, I do find it interesting that my difference in opinion somehow means I missed the plot, character development, or don't understand the Manwha. I'm all for a good debate, but when there is no common ground to start on, the likelihood of offending someone is far greater. I suppose I'll just stay on my side of the spectrum.

I'm talking about the "who can hurt the other more" game they like to play with each other. Doing something with the intent to inflict pain, physical or otherwise, is abuse. But that's just my opinion.

Exactly. Totally agree with how you put it coz I don’t really think abuse is the right term to describe or even define what their relationship is all about. They clearly both love each other from the start till now. It’s just that everything’s so messed up with the situation they’re in. That’s it.

I agree so much. The story was actually good until he met minato again and wtf is up with that stupid explanation for the gangrape and also kei and minato being friends afterwards? Wtf

Right?! In what world would you be friends with the guy who facilitated the gang rape of your traumatized boyfriend? Ridiculous...

If the mangaka didnt make the ex boyfriend seem less of an asshole, ur complain will be longer

No, because it would have made more sense.

Well, first things first. The mangaka did not really succeed in making the ex boyfriend seem like less of an asshole (❛ᴗ❛)

But the mangaka did succeed to make you pissed off by the ex boyfriend (▰˘◡˘▰)

Dude that’s it!! It threw me off so bad Σ( ￣□￣||) the rating of the manga remains high because the art is beautiful and kei and nanase are adorable... but everything involving the ex and the rape is BIG FUCKING YIKES

bro i wouldve made him HURT. Forget his ass if he's sick i aint giving him any of my time that worthless bitch

sorry I wanted to upvote

True story

It's all good.

Same ... he’s fucking cheater!!!

It depends your perspective reading. I personally like the story for character development and interactions. The plot was pretty basic and a bit predictable, as well as the ending but reading up until the later chapters around 50 the story becomes pretty dark and I get that the author wanted the characters together, but I would have preferred a sad ending. That's my opinion though. But you should for real give it a read if you haven't! :-)

I read the whole thing, and I agree with you completely. The happy ending felt so forced and unnatural. To feel realistic, the story would have to have a completely different ending. Idk, the last 10-15 chapters were downhill for me, and the ending sealed the deal.

TEA. This totally could have been a tragedy and I actually would have been actually content with this yaoi story-wise. But yes, definitely a forced ending. And they're starting over too, this do be a toxic typa relationship. But it's yaoi, so I don't really expect much-

Indeed. Yaoi is truly a world of it's own.

I don’t think it was predictable because there were so many things that happened like you mentioned it turned Dark one point and it could’ve ended 3 different ways in my opinion and kept me on the edge of my seats waiting to know what happened next. In the Beginning of the Story i can see where you get basic but it developed pretty well. He could’ve stayed a actor, it could’ve been a sad ending or a happy ending or a happy ending but with out our top like this story was amazing.

He might have had a fucked up past, but he still raped people.

^^^^^^^
This. Exactly this.

Didn't say it was an excuse, it's simply an explanation. But I guess Leon is no longer a victim, huh? Smh, they're all victims, but Leon is the only one people care to see punished.

As I posted on the other comment... Didn't say it was an excuse, it's simply an explanation. But I guess Leon is no longer a victim, huh? Smh, they're all victims, but Leon is the only one people care to see punished.

I never said you said it was an excuse. He may have been a victim in the past, but the people he raped are also victims. A victim raping a victim makes no difference. But Leon is one of the main characters, so of course more people will take notice of what he's done.

I didn't say you said it was an excuse. I was referring to myself when I made the comment. I thought that was clear. If not, I hope it is now. To me, it doesn't matter who is or is not the main character. Victimization is a cycle, and everyone in it deserves their piece of the consequences. But to see people be like, "Yeah, he's got a fucked up past, but so what?" Idk, it makes me sad. It's like people would rather seem him continue to suffer and keep making the same mistakes instead of turning it around. But whatever, we can agree to disagree. This is just my opinion.

same omg it pissed me off sm .. the fact that it wasnt even just a kiss but he also used tongue and the uke didnt even reject him that much in front of his lover is what caused me to drop it. i hate this manga sm once its status is completed im rating it one star