I'm not saying it's right to kill those guys but that's exactly what I'm saying. Making sure they suffer as well, like what is this? Justice reincarnated in human form? Hope he never gets caught and keeps doing good deeds.
I definitely love your first sentence ! (≧∀≦)
i can't stop laughing! I've never heard truer words!
the way beru acted toward that boss. he's basically jinwoo 2.0 at this point.
"is everyone okay" lol half the school is probably dead, what you mean
they can totally walk it off......
Lol
hmmm fair point.
Tis but a flesh wound
He was talking to his sister's classmates who were still alive
Dude got me cackling over here
This was horrible. I noticed immediately this was doing a lot of telling readers what was going on, instead of showing. Stop narrating your feelings, SHOW your feelings. The dialogues are so fake. They dont sound like a real conversation between two people. It's mostly expository dialogues seeking to explain things in the context that is easily understood. Spoon feeding info takes away the reading experience. The story telling is bad. Just. I cant even explain. It's like reading a book made by a child. They just throw a whole bunch of ideas in and try to connect the dots to make a story. It doesnt work. I'll pay for the parts I did read but enjoyable wise? It's a no from me.
Your comment made me giggle. The story in the main section is translated and localized by Tapas. So much was changed to fit their audience and they lost the real story. Tapas even missed up. The idol is supposed to be going by Han and they just changed the dialogue to where it was awkward. The Korean story is better. The Korean story is not as bad. I don’t pay for any thing from Tapas but I buy from the Korean, French and Japanese.
Maybe a little later when the fan translations are done try the story again? It is closer to the real story and not apart localizing or westernizing it.
The translation isn’t the issue. The plot just isn’t good. It’s makes zero sense how and why the main couple are together, it’s so generic and forced.Op is right it’s just a collections of different story beat points forced to have HEE simply because it’s a BL and nothing else.
Most of the issues you pointed out are translations issues. Mi Amore has given me what the Korean as said. It is a different story. She has explained many different things to me that we miss out on that explain how they are together and it makes sense. She did agree with the op on Tapas version but she is right too.
I can understand that the basic concept is their whole relationship is a man hung up on a past love he had a hand in dismantling. Finds his first love by pure chance proceeds to harass and emotional manipulate him. Lie and create an entire identity to deceive his past love into trusting him and accepting back into his life. Continues to use his position of power to lord over his past love at one point forcibly making him become intoxicated by threatening his job status. Proceeds to take advantage of the situation to have sex with his more drunken employee. And the next day pretends the sex never happened just in case his partner was too drunk to remember as this could cause a problem in his future plans to wear his target down in order to insure his goal of becoming once more romantically involved if the MC comes to hate him. Never mind it’s rape by deception whats he’s done, but BL would never acknowledge let alone the its readers. Despite all this he continues to provoke and harass his love interest even though now they’re casually fucking despite how inappropriate it is and should word get around completely slander the MC’s reputation as some groupie slut potentially. Once they actually start “dating” he continues his lies indefinitely until it ultimately comes crashing down because of a miscalculated circumstance. The rational of this character is narcissistic in every way. But somehow this is considered beautifully told because he went to such great lengths to lie to a man “ he loved” over a misunderstanding he caused himself that had a ripple effect in his own youth to create said misunderstanding. He can’t grasp even at this age, his contribution to his own unhappiness. The plot is utterly ridiculous and makes me feel like I lost brain cells trying to even think to defend it.
Op is right the plot isn’t very good. It’s maybe possibly better than all the rest of the standard BL duds out there but wow this is such a low bar if this is considered amazing. Granted we can agree to disagree and that’s all that needs to be said.
I don’t agree with most of your opinions. Like “proceeds to harass and emotional manipulate him” you misunderstood.
“ forcibly making him become intoxicated by threatening his job status”. You really misunderstood that.
Hangyum didn’t pretend? Hajin did. It is not rape. Mi Amore can explain it better. But they were both drunk. To think that is rape is utterly ridiculous.
Hangyum only want to be close and be friends. Hajin started the sexual relationship and Hajin make it causal when Hangyum asked. Again you misunderstood.
You have a very negative view and taking things out of context. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to make it all negative to hate it. Taking things out of context and trying to “defend” **cough** place negative views **cough** on something you are trying to hate and put down is utterly ridiculous.
You do know if you lie to someone to get close to them you’re not “trying to be their friend” especially so when you continue to do so while sleeping with them under false pretenses. AND my point of about deceptive rape still stands actually go learn what that means before you disregard it and broaden your real sexual education not the indoctrinated fantasy of romanticized toxic relationships. You clearly like this story I’m not going to argue with you beyond this point.
I get you don’t like it. But when I don’t like something I don’t give it my attention. I don’t like sponge bob. That cartoon is utterly ridiculous. They teach kids bad habits. One is when you get into a car the first thing you do is turn on the engine. How many kids got hurt or died from that? They should have said out on your seatbelt.
I change channels when it is on. I never let kids watch it in my house but I don’t go placing negative views that is not there to just hate it more or take things out of context. I could say spongebob is sexist because there are only three main females? I could say it is racist and it is not. Or it is animalist?! Because Gary does not talk but only meows when he is a snail. It makes no sense to take to make it negative to hate it more or take it out of context. If I made any of those claims. It would be utterly ridiculous. There is no point. I will never understand why people will do that.
I am not arguing. But it is not rape. Maybe you should go learn and broaden your real sexual education and broaden your understanding on this story. You are trying to make yourself right by attacking me. Nice. I am using my real sexual education and not trying to make negative opinions or attack others over self delusions or misguided notions on rape or “ indoctrinated fantasy of romanticized toxic relationships.“ whatever. Just a toxic way to be right. You clearly don’t understand what happened in this story. Like I said I was not arguing with you. It was just a discussion. I am allow to have different opinions.
I am not digging through our text messages for the content I need. That’s too much to dig through. I Caramba. But you can explain it better.
I would say many loves the Tapas version and brags about the banter between the main characters because it is aimed at them. If you don’t understand it, or don’t like Tapas did aim it you. It does not fit all. Tapas had a specific audience but they should had focused on the larger audience. I don’t agree with most of the changes Tapas made but the story is okay for the audience they aim it for. However, compared to the real story, it is not good.
The op discussed about how the dialogue are fake which is a translation problem. Tapas localized and westernized it as they see it. The op discussed about the conversation between two people which is also a translation problem. The op voiced them to stop narrating their feelings, show their feelings. I think the op is talking about Hangyum and there is a reason for it. I am not sure what they are referring to but that is the only thing that fits to me. Hangyum has insecurities that Hajin will leave him because he thinks Hajin hates him. He has thought Hajin has hate him for 5 years. He is so caught up in those insecurities that he does missed Hajin wanted it to be him and does not see the truth of the matter. It is understandable what he does but I do wish him noticed and had the courage to say something. Don’t forget Hajin lied to him also. The op talked about this story does lot of telling but not showing. It does show many things,but they skimmed this story and poss didn't finish it. This story is slow pace until the end and goes into depth in many expects. The op mention the expository dialogues and spoon feeding. I don’t see that but I never had the mindset looking for it. But I don't read Tapas first and only read each chapter one time. They could be correct but I don't get that from the other versions (Korean, Japanese, and French) I do know that a line from the Korean would be equivalent of 4 words in Korean and Tapas has it 13 words. One is in chapter 40. Korean Hajin says “Lee Hangyeom you son-of-a-bitch” but tapas has Hajin saying “You’re a lying piece of shit, but you already knew that, right?” So the way expository dialogues and spoon feeding could be a translation issue. The story telling is really not that bad but better in Korean story. Again could be a translation issue. The op claimed “It's like reading a book made by a child.” Tapas aimed it at a specific audience with Hangyum saying “what are you at about” would indicate the generation that uses that. The op said they just throw a whole bunch of ideas in and try to connect the dots to make a story. It doesnt work.” Tapas made a few mistakes but other way it not as bad as the op made it out to be. It is not a simple story but a complex story like life. The stories they are probably used to have up to 4 characters and only minimal story line. This has 15 characters and a few different story lines that comes together. Each part had an impact on Hajin and/or Hangyum in some way. It does fit together. Sometimes a complex story is too much for readers. Not an indir message to the op they said they skimmed it.
Now can I ask you to omit the story of Lack of love for a second. I don’t care what story it is, it could be "the boy in the tree". It is wrong to put down the author for all their hard work. That is planning the story. Drawing the story. Redoing the story. They push their health for us. I would never write something like this, even my most hated manga. There is a story I can’t read because the seme has a child’s face when he is in his twenties. The face don't match is body. If I wrote on that page and dissing the art and story. I would be seeking drama, would I not? I would be trying to piss off people that love the story, right? Of course, I could just say about him having a child’s face but that is not what happened here. The op is dissing the storytelling which means Tapas for them reimagining the story or the author’s original story or both. If it’s explicitly Tapas that is their fault but still wrong. Me saying Tapas made mistakes, reimagined parts, and changed story is not dissing them but being truthful. They had the chance to keep to the story but they made it their own. Is that bad? Depends. IMO not really. though in this case. Yes because they should had aimed at a larger audience, generational and international. They could had gain more money if they did. Some of their reimagined doesn’t make sense because there were not cultural conflicts.
The op original message was more about the dialogue. That is why I focused on the reimagined translations. Also since the op skimming half way through they didn’t give the story a chance, because it is slow paced.
You said “makes zero sense how and why the main couple are together, it’s so generic and forced.” This would be a translation issue and a language barrier issue. I understand how and why and it is not force but first are you referring to the whole story or chapter 50? Chapter 50 had mistranslations, and that context did not translate over well. Korean is a high-context culture means more indirect communication and English is a low-context culture means more direct communication. Direct: turn on the heater vs indirect: isn’t cold, in here. (Meaning is hidden). There is a lot of content missed in chapter 50, if you don’t know about low and high content cultures and about the mistranslations. However, most of the problems were dealt with by themselves before that point anyways. I can go into deeper detail and if you meant the whole story, I can explain that too.
The plot is good to some, great to others, and so-so to others. I have noticed the ones that don’t understand or don't take the time to understand it are the ones who diss it and complain. But the ones that love it, takes the time to understand and has patience with it. In my other text I talked about how all the story lines connected and impact Hajin and/or Hangyum. Please read there. I think it mirrors real life. Real life in Korea. I don’t see it being forced but the end being rushed. That could be because of the author’s health. I know the ending was going to be close because on Twitter she said the end is getting close in May but I think due to her health she dropped some parts? I am not sure.
Yes Hangyum fall hard for Hajin and yes he had a hand in dismantling in high school. Yes it was by chance the meet but possibly Hangyum had hoped that could happen because he become an idol for Hajin. (Chapter 46). Harass, no. Harass is “subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation.” The manhwa does not support that. Second meaning of harass no “make repeated small-scale attacks on (an enemy).” The elevator scene, him shoving himself in between Hajin and Chungwoon, and etc it is more like pestering the one you love. It is playful badgering. Chapter 8 he talks about liking his partner getting angry and likes to pick on them. He does not mean he wants his partner mad at him, he means he likes to have a feisty temper in a playful manner. Being frisky, mischievous, teasing, prankish, etc. Emotional manipulate him..... no not really. I know a different purpose but is Clark Kent being manipulate Lois if she was dating him or Superman with her knowing? Hangyum meant no harm. Chapter 40 he says he only wanted to get close to him. Chapter 12 he wanted to be friends said with a disappointed look. Chapter 8 after Hajin kisses him he says hey I thought you weren’t into guys with a sorrowful expression. He did not ask Hajin to work for him to start a romance. He did not think it was possible because he over heard Hajin saying he was not into guys (chapter 39). When Hajin asked him in chapter 5 Hangyum panics because of insecurities. Hajin even noticed he frowning when he said that in chapter 6. Emotional manipulation is way to strong for what happened but fits Jaehee. Hajin even called that manipulation. Hangyum does mislead him but not with malicious. He does lie, so does Hajin. Korean tend to lie more. google it. He created an entire identity as an idol before Hajin came back into his life not to deceive Hajin.
Chapter 8 does not support
“Continues to use his position of power to lord over his past love at one point forcibly making him become intoxicated by threatening his job status.” No comment is made about threatening his job. And Hangyum is not forcibly making him to drink. He is wanting to see Hajin’s temper and feisty that is why that is at the beginning of the chapter. When Hajin grabbed it Hangyum says. hey that stuff’s! Indicated he did not mean Hajin to drink it. All of them reacts. When Hajin staggers Hangyum tries to catch him and when Hajin collapses past out. Hangyum is saying UGH! Because that is not want he wanted to happen.
“Proceeds to take advantage of the situation to have sex with his more drunken employee. And the next day pretends the sex never happened just in case his partner was too drunk to remember as this could cause a problem in his future plans to wear his target down in order to insure his goal of becoming once more romantically involved if the MC comes to hate him.”
Not supported by the Manhwa. They are both drunk. Hangyum just went with it. More on this later. First, Hangyum was asking Hajin if he remembered that morning because he wanted Hajin to remember. He is disappointed when he thinks Hajin does not remember. Chapter 12 when he learns Hajin does remember he is ecstatic. Because Hangyum has always wanted a serious relationship with Hajin. Hajin is the one who pretended it never happened. Again Hangyum never thought they could become romantically involved because he thinks Hajin is straight and he already thinks Hajin hates him. Chapter 39. It is only when Hangyum learns that Hajin remembers did he open up about his feelings and try to become romantically involved. Chapter 12. Chapter 9-11 he did not do anything. Which is a day in story.
Chapter 13. Hangyum asks to be a couple but Hajin panics and makes it sex buddies. Hangyum sighs after Hajin left. It was not what he wanted. Provoke and harass are not the right words. The MC chose to be sex buddies in a panic. Hangyum had nothing to do with that decision. Chapter 13 will dispute that. And the story would dispute “should word get around completely slander the MC’s reputation as some groupie slut potential. “
I don’t know what Hangyum was planning but I do wish he would had realized the truth. For chapter 40, I don’t think it is a miscalculated circumstance. It doesn’t fit. I wished Hangyum told him at the high school or way, way before that.
Hangyum is narcissistic but not in every way. He has insecurities. He is sweet, caring, puts Hajin on a pedestal in his own way. He never meant to hurt Hajin and does try to please him. He is vulnerable. He is naturally cocky and hot-headed. He did go great lengths he was desperate and afraid Hajin will leave him. However, Hangyum did that to protect Hajin. It was stupid but smart and maybe the only thing he could do to protect him. It is Korea not USA. And they both cause that. They could had talked back then. They both misunderstood each other but if they stopped and thought about it they may had understand it. They could had talked. The Manhwa does not support he could not grasp his own contribution. He fully understood by chapter 51. I am not sure when he got it but it is after chapter 40.
My boyfriend who is Korean when we started did lie. White lies that he thought I want to hear. When he was asking me out He talked about a girlfriend, I was hurt but then I realized he was talking about me. I was angry but now I understand his culture better and him. He was lying to date me but it backfired. He is my best friend. Just because he lied doesn’t mean he is not trying to be a friend. You have to understand their reason. I can go into deeper details and situations with him. Also Hajin lied in 18, 34 and another place if I remember correctly.
“my point of about deceptive rape still stands actually go learn what that means before you disregard it and broaden your real sexual education not the indoctrinated fantasy of romanticized toxic relationships.” Ouch.
You are okay to feel and think how you want.
“people who are under the influence of drugs and alcohol cannot legally consent. In other words, even if the person says yes, if they are drunk or under the influence of drugs, it is considered rape under the law.” Both were drunk. Neither could not legally consent. If Hangyum was sober than it would be rape. If Jaehee had sex with Hajin when he was passed out then it would be rape. It depends on the situation. Legally they were both rape but I would not call it rape. But deceptive rape is off the menu. By taking this story as a whole. Hajin was drunk with Jaehee. He turned him down. He even bit his fingers. However, Hajin was recalling his wet dream of the idol Hangyum not teenager in chapter 4. He kissed Hangyum first. Hajin is more honest with his feelings when he is drunk. Hangyum made no moves because he did not have that motive. After he kissed Hangyum. Hangyum said hey I thought you were not into guys. Then Hajin answered. They made out for an half and hour before they had sex. Hajin is upset and pretend it did not happen for other reasons than rape. If this is Hangyum for high school he still felt played and he is not over his pain from Jaehee. Plus if this was someone new they had sex the second time meeting. Hajin thinks what the hell was I thinking. He owed his behavior. It was his inner desire especially if that was Hangyum from high school. Chapter 12. Hajin says they were both drunk and he pretend it did not happen so it would not impact their work. Hajin did not think it was rape. Neither one could consent but it is what both desired. Taking everything in, this story does not contain rape.
I wanted you to know before anyone disputes me on my last part. I do have a broad sexual education and my opinion is not from indoctrinated fantasy of romanticized toxic relationships. Ouch. Wow.
.... this does not sound like you.
Check.
Mi Amore. I reread your comments here. Something weird happened because some words are cut off from the version you had emailed me. Did a glitch happen?
I agree with your comments. That is a very respectful and very honest replies. Most importantly, it is accurate and fact-driven from the manhwa. The manhwa with your comments counters and tears apart their whole argument.
Yes, it was not me. I let my friend write part of that because I will never understand why people are disrespectful by lying about a story. It just disappointing and immature to make the story something it is not, to just diss it. Why lie or place views on the Manhwa that don’t exist, then be insulting to a discussion because they didn’t like what they hearing. It is just disgusting behavior.
You have my thanks. I know you put a lot of work into those comments. I virtually pat you on your back. Nice work! Great job.
"So much was changed" like what, exactly? Sorry, just I've seen a lot about translations but that's only partially the issue. If it's just translations then that isn't as big of an issue, personally, because I was also not very impressed with the story, characters, and pacing - as mentioned, story telling is bad. That's what I meant by that. My rambling about dialogues was just the first thing I noticed. You say the idol is supposed to go by Han, yeah, but changing names is by far the least significant change. I did read the first half of this story pretty carefully, only then to skim the second half when I realized how ridiculous the story was. Could you summarize the "so much" in like a couple bullet points? What of the Korean version about the plot, characters, and pacing, is different from the Tapas version? How much of that was influenced by bad translations? As in, how did the change of translations influence the characters personalities, change the direction of the plot, and the flow of the story? What is the "real story"? Message me if you want.
Can we have a decent person show up and be endgame? Like I'm tired of these assholes getting redemption arcs and shit. They dont deserve it. They can just stay being assholes, stay single, and stay miserable. let nakyum detach from that energy and endgame with someone else that's decent.
1. Akito didn't go "oh shit, my shitty attitude till now is driving the person i like away, i must reflect" instead he forces himself on haruhi. CLASSIC
2. The fact that nothing seemed off to Haruhi about the whole situation until he met the mom. like?? is you okay my dude?
3. Akito wants to show his true feelings by having sex. Like yall didn't have tons of sex already, wow hope that helps your point.
ridiculous.
woah coincidence i also dropped on chapter 4 for the same reasons lmao
Exactly all this like how their brain works is still a mystery for me.
Scat happened but where art thou anal fisting? Sequel asap.
bruh this can't be it. where is the couply stuff at
There are its just that they are in the special edition which hasn't been translated or picked up.(╯°Д °)╯╧╧ ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ so, until it does we can't do anything but wait.