RogueAres's Topics (326)

Yeah I definitely agree. I kinda want to see Ginga mad since even though it didn’t seem like such a big deal for him, I just felt really bad for him. They are all pretty cute though. I was also too hoping that they would miss him but they were banging so damn much and even forgot to pick him up. How did they cuddle for 2 whole hours forgetting Ginga ? I just want Ginga to be mad for once since I feel like he’s always the one apologizing but yeah, 100% agree with you.

I wish I could like your comment because yesss, so true

Omg I wanted to comment the same thing. I want ginga to actually get angry and ignore them for abit. It did hurt me too :’. And yess truee @ second comment, I feel like hes the only one apologizing and abit leftout of things. And oof yes bottom ginga

Ikr it hurt me a little bit :D

so glad people agree -- i think the author's a little biased towards the black hair seme

while i love them all i do love ginga a little more so it hurts me that he sorta gets neglected a little (by story comparison like how gingaxuke only bang once during solo dates, but the black hair always gets extensive rounds)

cant help but love the sad side puppy

Yessss☹

Break it down for the vanilla folks in here. Lol it's exhausting. It's fiction folks, relax!

Uuuuuh they aren't doing BDSM though, the other couple is but this one isn't. Have you seen them agreeing on it? Talking about it? Deciding on a safe word? No. This one is the problem with improper use of BDSM: too many people use it as a way to justify rape. BDSM isn't rape and never will be per se, but if you're shoving your dick in another person's mouth without consent on the moment and without a previous agreement, included a safe word, it isn't BDSM, I'm sorry. It's rape. And honestly it's not about being vanilla, is about knowing rape is fucking disgusting.

First of all, I said BDSM elements. Meaning that this isn't BDSM but it sure does have traits of BDSM. Plus when I said BDSM elements, I was referring to the manga as a whole. The author is clearly trying to venture into the world of BDSM, unfortunately, the thing that I hate the most is when authors venture into BDSM without doing the proper procedures, such as safewords etc. Instead they just take certain parts and roll with. I've notice this in many other BDSM related manga too. It's utterly ridiculous.

Second of all, it isnt r@pe for peace sake. The seme has asked him multiple times if he still wants to continue even after he was rough. The uke agreed, maybe not always verbally but he had enough space to leave. Instead he stayed. We've also seen that the uke has multiple tendencies of not being honest with he's feelings so theres that too. Not only do we have access to the uke's thoughts as its in his narrative, we've also discovered that the uke does have a masochist side and likes to fight. In other words brat wise.

Third, there are times where people do say no stop when in the face of pleasure. And yes some may argue that he's not saying it because of pleasure. Lets go that route then. He's definitely not saying no stop to having sex but more to being man handled and unfortunately our seme is a sadistic a-hole. However the uke knew this, the uke was aware of how much of a dick the seme is.

Fourth, yeah sure, I said vanilla as fuck because I was already pissed as is at all the r@pe comments. My bad, I apologize.

Fifth, if they were dating this would have been a total different comment section because how many times have I seen this type of scene happen in other yaoi with couples. If this is r@pe then why aren't people so pressed about it when it happens with couples in yaoi. So now that there's BDSM elements involved people are always ready to call "r@pe". For what?

Sixth, all y'all calling r@pe wait til after the sex scene then we can debate again.

It really is exhausting. As someone that's into rough play. It's extremely exhausting.

Agreed! I enjoy a dick being shoved in my face sometimes. It's sexy to some of us

Exactly!

Seriously, I wish I could like your comment a thousand times over. I feel like I’ve actually been SEARCHING for this answer. Perfect.

sameeee

Fucking thank youuuuu.

I'm tired of this whole situation and I really don't want to fight with you or anyone else. I will however share my thoughts the same way you did.

I acknowledge and respect the fact that people can separate fiction from reality BUT being able to differentiate rape, BDSM and rough play is CRUCIAL. It doesn't matter if you can tolerate it in the name of fiction, still rape. Therefore I don't think anyone is wrong or bad for enjoying a story that includes rape. That was never my point.

1. Agreed. If authors want to have BDSM elements in their story they need to educate themselves properly. Unfortunately even though this is fiction people can get negatively influenced. It's common to misuse BDSM to excuse rape and it has to stop. This is damaging to the BDSM community.

2. The uke said no multiple times, he was held down against his will and had a dick forcefully shoved in his mouth. He said it hurts and he wants the seme to be more gentle. All of this was completely ignored. Firstly they don't know each other that well how can the seme know what the bottom wants? Only after discussing things with him which ofc he didn't cause yaoi. Even if he is an M there is a proper way to handle things. You cannot just decide what to do with someone else's body because you THINK that's what they want. Don't forget that was his first time, his poor asshole. Secondly you can give consent and take it back at any time (for anyone who uses the excuse that he went to his house for sex). That doesn't mean anything goes automatically. Thirdly people are also saying he didn't defend himself, that's such a damaging mind-set to real victims. Not everyone has the ability to fight back or they just shouldn't cause it will put them in more danger. Lastly people are also sexual beings so just because they react physically doesn't cancel the rape. If you give consent and want to stop during the intercourse your partner has to listen to you. If not it's rape.

3. No doesn't mean yes. I get what you are trying to imply and it would only be valid in a well communicated sexual relationship. No trust or respect was established in this one. Since the sadistic a-hole didn't stop when he was asked to then he is no longer just a dickhead but a rapist too. Even if you know someone is more experienced than you or sadistic as you say it doesn't mean you want to be subjected to that. Boundaries and safe words should have been agreed on beforehand.

4. Apology accepted.

5. Nope, people have issues with rapes in all stories. We don't excuse or condone it. As we all know being in a relationship doesn't mean you can't get raped. Nothing to do with BDSM, ot just happened to be present in this story overall.

6. This is yaoiland do you really think this would be handled properly? Whatever happens will be swept under the rug since they will eventually get together. This doesn't cancel out the rape for me and many others.

P.S For anyone who says well then don't read yaoi I have nothing to say to you. You don't get my point, agreed to disagree.

I tried my best to explain my point of view in a polite respectful way. I can only ask for you to do the same. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

That doesn't mean your face is available for any dick at any time. That's the point we are trying to make.

Just because you like dick doesn't mean you're available for one 24/7 ( I would hope, if not you go girl/guy)

You choose to have a dick shoved in your face cause you're in the mood. I'm sure if someone did it randomly without your consent you would feel violated.

We are not shaming people who like it rough we are shaming rapists who ignore their partner's wishes and do whatever they want without their consent.

I rest my case.

I may like rough play sometimes and aggressive sex but I am actually also a victim of rape. I understand the difference all too well. What I don't get is why we go so hard about it with regard to works of fiction. It's not real, it's fantasy. I just personally don't think works of fiction is where we should be drawing life lessons from as hard and fast rules at least. Works of fiction will always appeal to people in different ways and be interpreted differently and nothing wrong with that. Personally I wouldn't feel violated with a dick being put in my face randomly by someone I am seeing. If I say nothing or respond in kind then I have given consent. If I say get your dick out my face or anything in objection to the dick in my face and they proceed then I am being violated. No safe word needed. I am only speaking for myself.

The problem with throwing the rape word around is everybody's idea of consent is not exactly the same. When I was actually raped for me the problem wasn't them initiating sex, I mean that's what they wanted and how they chose to communicate what they wanted. The problem was when I said no and they kept going with complete disregard for what I wanted or didn't want. The initiating part is how some choose to communicate they want sex and it's an acceptable form for a lot of folks and not automatically rape in every case is all I'm saying.

First of all I'm really sorry you had to go through that. I hope you are doing better!

Secondly I understand what you are saying in regards to the fiction part but again I'm not saying it's not ok to enjoy it. But for me my morals and beliefs don't leave my body just because I'm reading yaoi. My moral compass is still in tact and I dislike rape even in fiction. That's just my personal preference. I'm able to bypass it on rare rare occasions. I hate that it's usually swept under the rug like it will probably happen here. I didn't have a way of knowing where this was going cause all we saw was teasing and then boom bleeding first time asshole. Wish I could have predicted and avoided that, oh well. We live and we learn.

Thirdly all I'm saying is ask for consent always. And know you have the right to withdraw that consent at any time. I hate that people blame victims cause they should have "known better", BS. The assaulter is at fault not the victim. If people fail to recognise signs of rape and abuse in fiction how can they do it irl? Recognise it and move along. That's all I'm trying to convey. I wish yaoi would leave the toxic rape plot driver behind. I just wanna see healthy relationships too. Don't get why a love story has to start with rape in yaoiland.

Finally I feel like the uke's wishes and needs were disregarded along the way. No prior communication took place so I don't see this as consensual. No boundaries were set. It doesn't really matter if he is an M or not. He said no and that it hurts multiple times. He even tried to negotiate with him to go slower. The thing is he was completely ignored. The seme only cared for his own pleasure which is not OK for vanilla, rough or BDSM intercourse. All sides need to be listened to and satisfied.

It's completely OK to disagree. I really don't want to upset or fight with anyone. Especially not with someone who had to go through something so traumatising. I hope I didn't offend you in any way.

That's the last comment I'm making then I won't say no more. I agree, totally, with the matter of BDSM being written very badly and without proper procedures. That being said, i didn't see all that care for consent honestly. And when he did ask if something was not okay, after a negative response he did not change his actions in any way. Also, i get it, really, i get what you mean when you say that the uke is bratty and that people do say stop or no in some situations and still enjoy the sex, but there still is a way to deny your consent in that cases (i.e. safe words). This situation was very badly portraied in the manhwa, because without safe word, when you're saying no, or stop, and you are not listened, then it is a depiction of rape. I get it probably wasn't the author intention, but that is what came out of it. And no, no the comments wouldn't have been different if they had been dating, at least not from me. I also read a reply where someone said they are a victim of rape but still enjoy rough sex. And it is totally good! I'm happy for them. But that does not mean that if they, a victim of rape, do not see this as rape, it isn't rape. I am a victim of sexual abuse too, and I had a dick being shoved in my mouth without my consent more than once: i was in a relationship with this person. We were dating. It still was rape. The last chapter was triggering for me (narrative of BDSM in generale is not triggering, i want to clarify it. I fully enjoy it when well done). Then i get to the comment section and people are saying it is not rape. It's heavy. I get it's fiction, but why the need to portray something with dubious consent? Why the need to make it something that should be erotic? The fact that it is fiction doesn't make it any better.
That's it, that's what i wanted to say. I'd like people to understand why some people are complaning about it being rape, and try to see what upset us.
Also, I apologize in advance for the grammatical mistakes and typos, english isn't my mothertoungue and I'm quite tired. A good day to everyone.

I've fallen for you then you

I'm so sad that so many people have gone through sexual abuse. I'm so so sorry you had to go through something so traumatizing. I hope you are doing better now. Sending you lots of love xx

I agree with everything you said. We just want rape to be criticized as it should whether it's fiction or not. That's all we are asking. Recognize rape, don't ignore, romantize or praise it. This is really the bare minimum. This is non consensual sex to me and therefore I don't condone it in any universe. It made my skin crawl!

People have every right to enjoy the story nevertheless. We are also entitled to our opinion though. And I agree like each person has a different opinion on the matter the same goes for rape survivors. I will not say to someone how to feel I can only express my thoughts and feelings.

And don't worry your english was perfect, have a lovely day or night wherever you are x

Okay, there's no point talking about this further. Agree to disagree. We all have our viewpoints and perspective of seeing things. Your opinion, my opinion. That's all it is

Fair enough. Have a good one.