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I think we’re interpreting this chapter wrong. What Jay meant by debt might not be the same financial debt Mincheol is talking about. Taeha very clearly said to Mincheol that “I already gave you a chance”. I think that implies he gave Mincheol a chance to treat Haesoo right. He gave Mincheol a chance to make things better with Haesoo. By now we know that Taeha knew Haesoo in the past especially when things were very tough for her because of the financial debt that Mincheol had. Mincheol never really made up for that and then went on to cheat with Ari. It was only after that cheating did Taeha come into Haesoo’s life. Taeha here is telling Mincheol that he’s already used up his chances to be in Haesoo’s life. Now he will be the one to make her happy. Taeha is most likely also the one who told Jay what to say to Mincheol. The debt Jay is talking about is not a financial one but an emotional one that Mincheol has to pay and the repayment of that debt starts from his suffering. Since Mincheol has no idea about this he’s confused and thinks they’re loan sharks. The wife Mincheol knows is gone. She’s not the same Na Haesoo for better or for worst. He won’t find her anymore. That’s why Taeha says he hid all traces of her. Not Mincheol or anyone else will find the old Haesoo. The new Haesoo won’t let things go as Mincheol expects.

Can the jackass brother and father shut up? It’s there fault anyway for creating this situation and pressurising Luan when he doesn’t even want to be count? The brother is out right faking his illness and then has the audacity to talk.

People alway say how Na Haesoo’s body seems unrealistic but to me she looks very realistic because I’ve seen so many people with this body type. Na Haesoo isn’t shown to be very skinny. She has a healthy amount of fat around her stomach and she has thick thighs and legs. Her boobs are big but it’s not like they are unrealistically big and they match her body shape because again she’s not overly thin and petite. Na Haesoo is somewhat curvy. Sure she’s not fat and has a somewhat flat stomach but again it’s not overly thin with a none existent waist. There are women with big boobs, reasonably flat stomach and thick thighs. If she only had big boobs and the rest of her body looked malnourished then it would’ve been unrealistic. Compared to her Taeha’s body is more unrealistic.

The comments on this manga are so weird. First of all, the story is actually interesting and really good. It’s different and unpredictable because we still don’t know what happened in the past to Cain, Agio and Vercike and who the true villain is. My guess is that Cain is the actual villain because this is all something that he has planned a long time ago. Cain is the one keeping Ken quite at times and he has a specific plan in motion. Cain could also read Vercike’s thoughts when he was young but pretended he couldn’t. Cain isn’t the lovable and merciful God of the moon as people claim he is. Second, people continue to shit on Agia but forget what he’s been going through since literal childhood. The church literally trained him to kill vampires since he was a boy. They forcefully took him from his mother when he was a child. His mother died in from of him by Vercike while trying to save Agia by running away from the church. The church would abandon Agia in forests with starving vampires on the loose and ask a young boy Agia to not only survive but kill them. They would brainwash and emotionally abuse him constantly by saying he’s going to end up like the other people of the night which is in a water tank as a half dead test subject if he goes against the church. They raised Agia to kill him in the name of the prophecy. They made Agia believe that is his only worth as a human being. They made Agia so incredibly miserable that he himself believes that the only way he can be free is by killing himself for the prophecy. Agia just wants to be free now. He’s been through too much. He doesn’t think he is worth anything and he is just tired now. I know he did wrong by lying to Ken and deceiving him about the prophecy. There is no excuse for that. Given what the church did to Agia I’m surprised people think Agia would still behave like a normally well adjusted character. The man has been suffering physically and emotionally for years on end. He’s being brainwashed into believing he has to die ever since he was a child. I’m surprised how some readers don’t understand Agia and aren’t sympathetic towards him at all. These readers shouldn’t have such a one directional approach to his character and actually use critical thinking to understand his circumstances and actions. The way Agia behaves is totally rational for someone in his position and situation. Even after the way Agia has been treated he still truly does love Ken. His actions speak louder that his love for Ken is real and true. I’m also glad Agia started telling the whole truth to Ken about the situation. Now it’s up to Ken to persuade Agia that his life matters and is worth living. It’s not easy to undo years of brainwashing but Ken can do it because Ken loves Agia just as much. Ken now understands Agia. He also knows despite everything Agia still tries to do what he can for Ken like saving Rosie and treating her well. The story is really good and I’m sorry to say but the commenters are unnecessarily shitting on it so much. Sure some people may not like it as much or may have certain issues with it but it is still not as bad as the comments exaggerate it to be. If people can like stories like “Jinx” and shit on this then just see what their critical thinking capacity is.

Since there is a slight debate regarding the coworker I’d like to give my opinion:
The coworker didn’t do the right thing. First of all, the coworker and Na Hae-soo aren’t close at all. They merely exchange pleasantries at work only and even then the coworker doesn’t fail to give back handed compliments meant to humiliate Na Hae-soo because she is jealous of her and at the same time she feels she is superior to Na Hae-soo. Second, the coworker knew nothing about the situation at all. She only had a suspicion relating to Na Hae-soo. She should have at least observed the situation a little more to gain a better understanding about it before even thinking about doing something. She didn’t even try to get any clarity about the situation from Na Hae-soo herself. Third, she doesn’t even know or has seen Na Hae-soo’s ex husband before. How quickly she came to the conclusion that Na Hae-soo is definitely cheating and deceiving without any sort of proof is surprising. Forth, she didn’t do this because she had a good moral compass.She did this because she’s jealous of Na Hae-soo and wants to humiliate her. She’s not worried about Na Hae-soo or the guy. Fifth and most importantly, it’s none of the coworkers business what Na Hae-soo does and doesn’t. She’s literally no one. She’s not even close to Na Hae-soo nor does she know Na Hae-zoo’s ex husband and the rose guy. Even if one does have a good moral compass it’s no one’s business to interfere in a coworkers life when they don’t know shit about the situation and when they’ve not been asked. You don’t have the right to tell them what’s right and what’s wrong. If a crime is being committed then call the police but other than that you are no one to do this. You shouldn’t even have the audacity.

This is very boring. The characters are very unrealistic and the story is so one dimensional. The main character’s whole clan got massacred without any solid proof and he’s like “It’s okay, move on”. Even if it has been 50 years, there’s no way there won’t be any resentment and hatred. The male lead is also so one dimensional. He just carried out his father’s order and didn’t protest at all. Literally killed the family of the person he loved and we’re supposed to pity him? Someone is the comments mentioned the male lead is like Itachi when in reality he couldn’t be any further away from Itachi. Itachi did what he did for the good of his village, not clan. He always prioritised the greater good. He did what he did with conviction, resolve and understanding the consequences of his actions wholeheartedly, not solely because someone ordered him to do it. He never said he was used and he never played the victim. He understood the gravity of what he had done. He even admitted he was a sinner and that maybe there was another way to prevent the outcome he had feared. Itachi was a very complex character and so well written while this male lead comes no where even close to Itachi’s shadow. This male lead did as he was ordered to and fled from taking responsibility. He also hoped to be forgiven and played as though he was a victim too. He never even tried another way. He didn’t even put up a fight.

This is chap 43. We are missing chap 42

The ex isn’t nice at all. He literally had no feelings for her whatsoever after 6 years of being together and almost getting married. He just proved that with this chapter. He didn’t care whether they got back together or not. He didn’t care whether she started dating someone else or not. He even didn’t care whether they got married or not. He’s doing everything for her like it’s some sort of favour and he’s treating it like it’s someone else’s business. If he was actually nice he would’ve broken up with her long ago before wasting 6 years of her life since he clearly doesn’t have any romantic feelings for her. He’s just trying to be the nice guy but doesn’t realise what he’s doing is down right shitty. She’s a nice girl. She deserves to know the truth and she deserves to be with someone who actually loves her and not just doing her a favour like she’s some charity case.

People in these comments need to understand that although what J.J did is very wrong and in no way excusable what Leo is doing is even worse. There is a limit to how much disrespect a person can tolerate. In fact Leo is the main problem in their relationship. Leo has reduced J.J from a boyfriend to a sex toy that he can have his way with whenever and wherever. In addition to a sex toy, Leo also treats J.J like a secretary. J.J is not Leo’s bitch and someone he can walk all over. He is Leo’s boyfriend and not only does he deserve love but also respect. Just because J.J was kind to Leo and helped him out is his life Leo took advantage of his kindness. Why does Leo have to be told by other people and J.J himself that he shouldn’t treat J.J like a sex toy and secretary? Does he have no common sense at all? Does he have zero awareness of how to treat his own boyfriend with even minimum amount of decency and respect? Even if Leo has no common sense and zero awareness people around him(like his manager, friends and sisters etc) have been telling him for years to treat J.J properly or he will lose him. Although it’s not shown in the manhwa till now but judging from the story I’m pretty sure even J.J himself has tried to tell him multiple times. Leo is just not interested in listening because he’s too self absorbed. He’s behaving like J.J brought that breakup out of nowhere and without communicating anything when clearly it’s indicated that Leo choose to ignore the signs. J.J also probably gave up seeing Leo’s behaviour and I don’t blame him because J.J is also human. He has a heart and he’s badly hurt too. He’s seeing that Leo has absolutely no consideration for him and he’s given up because he is exhausted and no longer has the strength. He probably broke up with Leo after thinking it over and over again and it definitely took a lot of strength to leave Leo since their lives are so entwined with each other. Even after their breakup J.J kept hope that maybe Leo would finally understand now and be willing to communicate with him and make a change for them but Leo further humiliated J.J by confirming that indeed J.J was nothing but a sex toy to him. Here J.J is worried sick about Leo after the accident and blaming himself for distracting Leo and there Leo is reducing their years of relationship to nothing but rubble. J.J then finally snapped and treated Leo like he was treating him. It’s true that J.J was too rough and there is no excuse for his behaviour. What J.J did is wrong but he literally reached his breaking point. I’m not defending J.J at all for that incident but I’m simply providing context because context indeed does matter. In regards to context, I would also like to point out that Leo knew J.J disliked sex outside and yet he still pushed J.J to have sex with him outside in the starting chapter(an example of how Leo never took J.J into consideration and only cared about himself). Finally in the current chapter J.J has no intention of making Leo jealous. In fact he’s actively trying to get as far away from Leo as possible(maybe even moving to Germany as suggested by the German language book) and cutting ties step by step. Leo is the one who’s hounding J.J for sex not the other way around. Seeing the direction the story is going in it’s pretty clear that even the sex will come to an end soon and J.J will be long gone before Leo comes to his senses.

The only person I feel bad for in this story is Su-ae. Not only did Eunhyeok abandon her and ghost her but contrary to popular opinion I think Dohwa also abandoned her without saying anything. In the case of Eunhyeok, I understand he must have a very good reason for leaving and I know it’s not typical Eunhyeok behaviour but it doesn’t change the fact that he left her without saying anything. He ghosted her for a literal decade. She literally waited for him for so many years but when it finally crossed the threshold she gave up. He didn’t explain anything to her at any given point in the last 10 years. Even if he couldn’t or wouldn’t explain anything to her, the least he could do was have the courtesy to text her he’s leaving or that he’s breaking up with her. He could even just send an anonymous letter at any time during the last 10 years and simply only say I’m sorry but he didn’t even do that. He did nothing. He completely and utterly abandoned her despite knowing how much she loved him. Do you even understand what that can do to a person? It breaks a person completely. It makes them lose all confidence, all hope. It fills them with hatred and resentment. It makes them think they won’t ever get anything because they don’t deserve anything . It pollutes every good and loving memory you both once shared together. Seeing grown Su-ae that is indeed the case. In the case of Dohwa, I know he loved Su-ae a lot . I know he was heartbroken and hurting because Su-ae didn’t return his love but was that all she was to him? A love interest? If that love isn’t reciprocated does that mean you just up and leave without saying anything to that very love interest? Wasn’t she his friend before he started loving her? Wasn’t she always there for him whenever he needed her? Wasn’t she willing to do anything for Dohwa? Is that what she deserved from someone she considered her friend? It’s within Dohwa’s right to leave if he’s hurting too much. It’s also within Dohwa’s right to never talk to Su-ae again if he doesn’t want to but it’s also within Su-ae’s right to be hurt by her friend who abandoned her without saying anything. She deserved the courtesy to be told he’s leaving . She may have not loved Dohwa romantically but she did love Dohwa as a friend. Dohwa knew that. She never knowingly hurt him. She always tried to protect him. Even after knowing Dohwa’s feelings she never tried to deceive him and give him false hope. She would’ve tried to make things right with him if he stayed or at least told her he was leaving but he didn’t. He choose to be selfish and tend to his broken heart only. He reduced Su-ae to being his love interest only and forgot that she was his friend first and love interest later. He forgot that his friend could have her heart broken by him too. That’s what common between Eunhyeok and Dohwa. They both abandoned her while only thinking about their situation and their own broken heart. They forgot about Su-ae and her broken heart. If they both couldn’t stay the least they could do was have the minimum amount of courtesy and respect for her and tell her they were leaving. Both didn’t do that. Both never once contacted her in 10 years. She loved them both in her own way. They both betrayed her trust and love. Su-ae is always getting betrayed by people she loves and trusts most like her ex-boyfriend, her step/foster sister Raim, Eunhyeok and Dohwa. Eunhyeok and Dohwa both made her lose faith in ever being loved. She stayed single for 10 whole years because of the damage they both did to her. It doesn’t matter whose better now between Eunhyeok and Dohwa because they both hurt her deeply in different ways. She deserves better. She deserves to be loved and respected. She deserves to be happy.