MC is so lonely that he even falls for someone who is only using him. And I think that’s why he despairs, because he knows it as well. I think he’s depressed but also seems to accept the inevitable with what almost seems like Nonchalance. And that hilariously is angering and confusing the Tiger guy.
That’s because I think he’s growing fond of his “food”.
I want to know how MC’s brother got caught up with this guy in the first place. I would also like to see more flashbacks that show us what kind of relationship he had with MC. The glimpses we get, seem to suggest that he wasn’t too fond of MC? But the brother choking MC could have also been a dream/hallucination instead of the brother being a wrathful spirit. In the flashback about their mother not giving Mc food until big brother came home, the latter told his mother to give MC food. So there might have been affection there for Mc?
And also awareness (guilt?) that MC was the black sheep of the family. But the tiger guy also told MC that it was his brother who led him to MC to be devoured. I just don’t know if that’s all true.
And why would the tiger guy, who likes to make the meat taste better by making his food “happy”, tell MC that it was his brother who chose him as the next sacrifice? Wouldn’t this cause unhappiness? Seems counterproductive. But maybe that’s because the tiger guy doesn’t really know how human emotions work, so thought it wouldn’t have an impact at all? Or he just didn’t care.
I thought it was interesting that we came to know that he mostly devoured his prey after they made a wish, so how important is it really for his food to be happy?
What I noticed, from MC’s perspective he was the outsider of the family and his mother didn’t care much, but the picture seems to suggest otherwise. It’s him as a kid all happy with his mother also smiling happily as well. Where is the brother? Why is his mother so happy in that picture with the son she couldn’t give less of a fig?
Somethings is off about this. The flashbacks might have been not of the woman in the picture. Maybe he was adopted? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I like this webtoon but it seems too rushed and crammed so full of info, it robs me of enjoying it fully.
The MC here is such an interesting person, with her cunning, her drive to get the job done, taking extreme risks which threaten her life etc, and I don’t want to say it comes out of nowhere but with such a personality I would have wished to see more of her character before the main plot took over. What made her so capable? Being forced to rely on herself? But why not give us more scenes from her past to show us examples? Or more scenes to show us how she became so protective of her sister? Scenes to show us her relationship dynamic with the important people in her life. Seems to me like the artist is going down a list of checkpoints, happy to be done with “pesky” character establishment scenes.
The thing I gathered about her is that in her previous life she was able to see ghosts, thus became an outsider who was shipped off from household to household.In her new life she has a family that cares for her so does everything in her power to protect her sister. There is also this ghost guy who helps her for reasons unknown. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the supposed sick crown prince who died and tried to save his brother, so he uses the MC to achieve his goals. She comes up with this plan to save the second prince to protect her sister, even though her reasons seem a little “blah” for getting involved. Her whole convoluted scheme of pretending to be an elderly sorceress seems a little extra. There is just not much context tbh. Its also a little disappointing how quickly the ml is falling for the MC out of nowhere. I think this webtoon might be only a companion piece to the novel, that’s why it doesn’t seem to have a life of its own. I suppose it’s just expected of the reader to already know the novel. The drawings are gorgeous but it seems like an almost empty world. Most of the handful of “unimportant” side characters don’t even have a distinguishable face. I’m a little disappointed to see such beautiful artwork be wasted here.
I really don’t like it. Everybody in this story is manipulative except for the MC. And why would we feel sorry for Hayato? For the MC to realize that he will always be a placeholder and second best to his lover’s ex? Hayato giving him a ring doesn’t matter at all. What matters are his actions and what else is the conclusion to him telling his lover to not come over whenever his ex calls and wants to hang out?
Honestly I think the most honest moment from Hayato is when he tells his ex to nevermind his lover and that his ex is the most important person in this moment. We even find out that Hayato was the one offering his ex to stay with him. It wasn’t the ex who begged for shelter. Hayato went out of his way for his ex. He shows a lot of care for his ex, but not any for his supposed boyfriend. That says a lot.
I also don’t get why the boss feels sorry for Hayato. Seems like he’s only a mouthpiece of the author to let us know that the MC was wrong for leaving that douchebag.
It’s hilarious to me that Hayato’s ex has the balls to try and make MC feel bad about leaving Hayato. Or how he doesn’t deserve him because he left after it was made so obvious he will always be second best. Did the ex forget what Hayato told him about how much he means to him? So why does he say there is nothing to worry about? Maybe the ex has nothing to worry about, but the MC certainly does. It’s obvious Hayato is still sweet on his ex. The only reason they are not together is because the ex is not in love with Hayato anymore. Otherwise Hayato would have jumped ship already. And the story about some girlfriend being there just sounds like a tagged on lie. There was no trace of her anywhere. The excuse that he hid her shoes because of her ex husband is idiotic. How would this guy just get into that apartment? Why would the ex stay there in the first place if his location was known to ex husband? Why would the ex husband know his ex wife’s new lover’s best friend/former lover’s home address? It just doesn’t add up at all.
The MC didn’t misunderstand anything at all, he got the drift and cut that dude off without fuss. That was rather mature. Why cry and complain if your SO could give less of a fuck and puts some “friend” above you?
I don’t see this as a communication problem at all. Hayato doesn’t want his lover and former lover to meet. Why? Giving MC a Ring should be a sign that Hayato is committed to the relationship. But as soon as his ex calls, he sends his lover away and tells him not to come around for a while. No explanation whatsoever. He just wants to be alone with his ex. You only do that if you want to keep a certain romantic door open, just in case. And a lover would be in the way and send the wrong message to the ex, in case your ex decides to jump on your dick.
I wonder what would happen if the ex decided he wants a rebound? What if the ex gets into more trouble? Will Hayato ask him to stay over again and send the MC packing again?
Lol. This manga reminds me of “bros before hoes”. Of course the ex, who doesn’t want Hayato, would try to keep them together. It’s the least he can do as a friend. But the MC is alone, he has no one advocating for him. So I’m not surprised he fell right back into it.
Well said,wanted to punch all of them expect mc
Rant so perfect I stood up and applauded!!!!!
I’m probably wrong and read too much into it but I get the feeling that our MC might have to look out for Toujou. The first flag would have been Toujou taking him home while he was passed out drunk on that bench but because Toujou was already in love with MC’s brother, no flag was triggered. MC is also aware of this so let’s his guard down in his presence and that might be a critical mistake in the future.
Didn’t Toujou also call him cute at one time during this Halloween special?
Seems all innocent, especially with those chapters peppered throughout about MC’s brother and Toujou’s budding relationship, but that little spreadsheet in chapter 35 on the last page makes me a little suspicious. It shows that Toujou loves MC’s brother but also that Toujou is interested in MC.
So who knows what the author is planning. I certainly enjoy the bl tropes being made fun of, but deep down I want MC to mess up along the way without knowing how it happened. And what would be more hilarious for it to be the “save” guy that falls for him.
It also wouldn’t be a bl trope for that to happen. Toujou’s trope is “being in love with his best Highschool friend”, he confesses to MC’s brother and the brother is also inclined to accept him. So for Toujou to fall in love with his love interest’s brother, with the latter thinking he’s save because of said trope and thus relaxes with, who he thinks is his brother’s boyfriend, would be hilarious.(づ￣ ³￣)づ
oh shit that was good
I- just- ...wow
Toujou has set off so many flags for MC already yet since he’s been coupled up with ayato, they haven’t exploded in mc’s face yet since he’s safe (for now)!! It’s interesting to see how in the live action mc gets romanced with Kikuchi who happened to take him home whilst he was drunk yet in the manga it was toujou that took him home, I’m hoping this is foreshadowing on the author’s part that there’s *something* that’s gonna happen between toujou and mc ╥﹏╥
Lol. Yes. Toujou set off so many flags, I’m starting to doubt that it’s a mere coincidence by the author. Especially with it being canon that Toujou is interested in MC. And it’s brought up so casually in that little panel, disconnected from the story, that I think it’s supposed to be some sort of a breadcrumb for the readers. But also not too obvious. Toujou being interested in MC while “actively” being in his own trope shouldn’t happen in this world which works with “bl logic”. Unless it’s because Toujou is not locked in to his trope because Ayato can’t make up his mind. And that’s why I personally think that all those flags must have triggered something in Toujou, something he’s not aware of because he’s in love with Ayato. But I have to say, that Toujou seems rather relaxed with Ayato. He didn’t even pounce when Ayato more or less confessed to him in that one chapter about him taking responsibility. He remains rather casual. Honestly I think that is because of MC. If Ayato accepted the confession immediately, Toujou probably would have never have gotten interested in MC. So when Ayato accepts it, it’s too late for the trope to lock Toujou fully in. And I think it’s hilarious that Ayato reminisces about how only he is privileged to see certain expressions on Toujou’s face, just for MC to tell Ayato in the same chapter, how thrilled Toujou was about the paw print and mosquito bite on MC’s face. Seems like a hint.
I’ve never watched the live action but from spoilers I’ve also heard that the MC ends up with Kikuchi. The generic puppy dog dude, who was never seen again after chapter 19. I wonder if the director chose this guy because we never see him getting into a relationship with the other guy the MC redirected him towards.I think you are onto something about the author foreshadowing something. Kikuchi takes a drunk MC home in the live action, and in the manga it’s actually Toujou. But I also wonder how much input the author had over the live action? I can imagine they at least asked her if it’s Ok to let MC have a boyfriend. I don’t see it happening at all MC ending up with the generic trope dudes like Kikichu or Hanato in the manga. Seems boring and would miss the point. The point should be, MC being so obsessed with side stepping tropes, that he accidentally raises and locks in an un-tropey flag with the guy he thought was save. I just hope in the manga we get Toujou. He seems like a guy who can actually keep up with the MC. Would be hilarious to see a Toujou pursuing MC, who can’t redirect those attentions.
Ahh I’m so excited to have someone to talk about all this with!! You’re definitely right about toujou being more aware with things to do with MC - he was the only one aware of hatano’s crush on MC despite yanagi and ayato being present as well, surely they would’ve caught on as well since they’re certified ‘protagonists’ in this bl world…? I partly think all the time ayato has complained about MC to toujou has affected toujou’s perceptions of him as well. Ayato’s stories could have brought attention to so many little things about MC’s personality to toujou so that his presence is starting to have a lot more significance than a simple mob character..
I agree with you on toujou seeming a bit too relaxed with ayato, his character card described him as waiting for the ‘perfect time for strike’ which we haven’t seen much of yet, and it’s totally a blow in the face for ayato for MC to just turn around and tell him something about toujou that he himself has yet to experience haha
I’ll feel a bit sad for ayato if they do break up however, I wonder if there’s a trope that it will come under if it does ever happen.. ‘pure high school romance’ perhaps? I can definitely see hatano being very persistent in pursuing MC in the next 3 years, the guy did remember what happened all those 8 years ago after all ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I think MC will have a lot of trouble shaking him off; I’m definitely invested in seeing how that plays out!
Kikuchi was quite a dull choice for the live action to go for, the ship is cute but I personally don’t get the chemistry between the two of them and I was surprised that it took quicker than expected for the MC to fall for a flag :/ The author has been promoting the show on their twitter account but I haven’t seen any of their personal thoughts for it, I’ll have to keep an eye out (⊙…⊙ )
MC and toujou are both very composed people scheming under the surface, I hope we get another chapter with them interacting again soon :D I wonder what kind of circumstance it would take for it to be made explicitly clear whether toujou is actively pursuing the MC?!
Lol. Me too. I will be honest, as soon as Toujou popped first up I had this feeling like he’s not just a generic bl trope seme meant for Ayato. Didn’t really think much about it though until we got the scene of Toujou having this trope moment with MC in regards to the park bench. I got exited, and that’s why I think I began to look for scenes between those two. I know many readers love Ayato/Toujou but personally I don’t feel it. Seems like a very generic trope story for those two, who are main characters. So one would expect more depth from their relationship. And yes. I also get “pure Highschool love” vibes from them.. Toujou doesn’t burn with visceral passion for Ayato, and that makes him a little different from all the other Guys who pursue their targets. He’s relaxed as hell. Ayato is getting more anxious and that is actually a very common trope among bl. What’s different is Toujou’s reaction to Ayato’s confession. It’s pure “shonen ai” in a world that is Yaoi.
Omg. I’ve just made a comment on archiveforum about how Toujou is the only one knowing that Hanato is into the Mc. And that seems to suggest that Toujou is aware of MC’s charms. A supposed mob character. Why would Toujou, who is in his own love trope, be aware of a mob character’s allure to other people? Suspicious and exciting! What I also found suspicious is that we never see Toujou’s reaction to seeing MC in that picture, yet we see him react in every other chapter to MC being in a funny outfit etc. first hand. Except for this, and we are also not witness to the “thrilled” scene. Or his reaction during the park bench scene. So all those scenes which would make people pay more attention to the Toujou/MC situation if they were more detailed, are short, only told to us in conversation or have Toujou’s facial reaction during probable bl flag scenes with MC be obscured/passed over in favor of the next scene. Like the author knows, but doesn’t want to play her hand too soon. So we get those breadcrumbs thrown at us.
Yes!! Ayato telling Toujou about MC’s peculiar and funny behavior is one of the reasons he stopped seeing him as a generic big brother mob character. And in a way it’s almost a trope in itself. The “complaining about brother to my friend, thus friend becomes intrigued with this person” trope. So this is yet another flag that the MC is raising by proxy. And that is beside all the other flags that are popping up between Toujou and MC. But because there are so many tropes, with one of the guys loving someone else, and the other guy trying to avoid falling into the bl pit, it becomes untropey and fresh. And that’s the reason this makes the most sense to me.
I also see Hatano staying persistent but MC never let his guard down with him because his first expression of Hatano puts him on guard and Hatano is pushed into the “must avoid bl trope guy at all costs” box. I don’t see him having a chance. And it would be disappointing for the love interest to be such a generic and shallow trope. And I always thought that the “I fell for you when we were kids and I’m still in love with you” trope especially annoying and cliché. I think it’s actually one of the most commonly used tropes at that.
It’s weird that they would choose Kikichu as the love interest with MC in the live action at all. MC was completely unaffected, where as with Hatano MC was at least flustered. So honestly this makes it even more obvious that Kikichu was a random choice, not one the author would seriously consider.
I think we probably will never hear the authors honest thoughts about the live action in regards to Kikichu. She would be shooting herself in her foot if she started to criticize the live action. I think it actually serves her just well to keep the lid on tight about her real plans. And I hope we will get a resolution. I hope it won’t end up like many other comical mangas. 300 chapters of more the same and no real development. I heard the author made a poll about if she should give Mc a love interest. Was that just a rumor or did this really happen? And if so, what were the results? Did you see some raws? I heard that we will soon meet Toujou’s sister. And that makes me think of the early chapter where MC was thinking about a “sexy older sister” trope. Would actually be hilarious if he and Toujou’s sister became close, thus making Toujou uncomfortable (jealous). And this might actually be a possible beginning of Toujou deepening his interest in MC. I would live for the drama. But I also have to remember that this is more of a funny story, so shouldn’t keep my hopes up for it turning into a drama. Damn, I need this to happen!!
Lol. Me too. I will be honest, as soon as Toujou popped first up I had this feeling like he’s not just a generic bl trope seme meant for Ayato. Didn’t really think much about it though until we got the scene of Toujou having this trope moment with MC in regards to the park bench. I got exited, and that’s why I think I began to look for scenes between those two. I know many readers love Ayato/Toujou but personally I don’t feel it. Seems like a very generic trope story for those two, who are main characters. So one would expect more depth from their relationship. And yes. I also get “pure Highschool love” vibes from them.. Toujou doesn’t burn with visceral passion for Ayato, and that makes him a little different from all the other Guys who pursue their targets. He’s relaxed as hell. Ayato is getting more anxious and that is actually a very common trope among bl. What’s different is Toujou’s reaction to Ayato’s confession. It’s pure “shonen ai” in a world that is Yaoi.
Omg. I’ve just made a comment on archiveforum about how Toujou is the only one knowing that Hanato is into the Mc. And that seems to suggest that Toujou is aware of MC’s charms. A supposed mob character. Why would Toujou, who is in his own love trope, be aware of a mob character’s allure to other people? Suspicious and exciting! What I also found suspicious is that we never see Toujou’s reaction to seeing MC in that picture, yet we see him react in every other chapter to MC being in a funny outfit etc. first hand. Except for this, and we are also not witness to the “thrilled” scene. Or his reaction during the park bench scene. So all those scenes which would make people pay more attention to the Toujou/MC situation if they were more detailed, are short, only told to us in conversation or have Toujou’s facial reaction during probable bl flag scenes with MC be obscured/passed over in favor of the next scene. Like the author knows, but doesn’t want to play her hand too soon. So we get those breadcrumbs thrown at us.
Yes!! Ayato telling Toujou about MC’s peculiar and funny behavior is one of the reasons he stopped seeing him as a generic big brother mob character. And in a way it’s almost a trope in itself. The “complaining about brother to my friend, thus friend becomes intrigued with this person” trope. So this is yet another flag that the MC is raising by proxy. And that is beside all the other flags that are popping up between Toujou and MC. But because there are so many tropes, with one of the guys loving someone else, and the other guy trying to avoid falling into the bl pit, it becomes untropey and fresh. And that’s the reason this makes the most sense to me.
I also see Hatano staying persistent but MC never let his guard down with him because his first expression of Hatano puts him on guard and Hatano is pushed into the “must avoid bl trope guy at all costs” box. I don’t see him having a chance. And it would be disappointing for the love interest to be such a generic and shallow trope. And I always thought that the “I fell for you when we were kids and I’m still in love with you” trope especially annoying and cliché. I think it’s actually one of the most commonly used tropes at that.
It’s weird that they would choose Kikichu as the love interest with MC in the live action at all. MC was completely unaffected, where as with Hatano MC was at least flustered. So honestly this makes it even more obvious that Kikichu was a random choice, not one the author would seriously consider.
I think we probably will never hear the authors honest thoughts about the live action in regards to Kikichu. She would be shooting herself in her foot if she started to criticize the live action. I think it actually serves her just well to keep the lid on tight about her real plans. And I hope we will get a resolution. I hope it won’t end up like many other comical mangas. 300 chapters of more the same and no real development.
Lol. Sorry. Accidentally double posted because I thought my first one didn’t get through. Ignore the second message. It’s just a shortened version. I thought it didn’t get through because it was too long. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Oh my god! I was thinking something similar when Toujou took the MC home because not that long ago the MC had said something along the lines of how drunk ppl out on the street being taken home leads to some romance and then BANG! Toujou takes the drunk MC home. But then nothing happened so I was like . . . okay I guess it's because Toujou is technically with the brother so the MC doesn't interest him. It had seemed kind of weird that some random guy wasn't used but I brushed it off. Then when Toujou was keen on going with him shopping it seemed odd, like why wouldn't he want to see Ayato first rather than going shopping with the brother? This couple (Ayato & Toujou) wasn't even on bad terms in that scene until after Ayato found out Toujou was going shopping with his brother.
Some I totally support you hypothesis.
I’m literally dying to know Toujou’s reaction to that photo directly and all their off-screen trips to do the shopping!!
Same, from what we’ve seen from hatano so far, he seems to be checking out all the common bl tropes such as liking MC since childhood, being immensely popular with the girls yet showing no interest in them etc and being described in a very mob-like manner, which would make it very underwhelming to couple him up with MC; like what would be the point of MC’s journey thus far if a generic dude (so far) like hatano just came and swept him off his feet?! If the author does bring him back in 3 years, I can easily see hatano falling into another trope with MC such as ‘I like you cos you’re avoiding me’ or ‘I’ll make you fall in love with me in X months’ - in either case, not unique and just very persistent, and probably a flag that MC can just redirect towards some other direction or suppress yet again.
MC’s reflection upon hatano’s confession and proceeding to ask his brother about him is quite telling of how dodging flags so often has reduced his perception of others around him as to simply characters that are there to fill out a trope position. He’s perplexed and quite flustered when he’s been affected directly for the first time and it was probably a very blunt reminder to him that these people are real people too and not as predictable as he might’ve thought. With this in mind, he doesn’t think about the possibility of toujou not being locked into his trope fully.
Yes, I’ve noticed that too - the storytelling around MC and toujou has been made quite obscure in situations in which ayato isn’t present, and I can only think of chapter 35 as one where a one-on-one interaction of their’s has been shown; I had an inkling that toujou was beginning to get suspicious of MC’s predictions in that chapter and then boom we get the character chart at the end updating toujou finding MC ‘interesting’ - It might be possible for toujou to eventually pick up on MC’s method of re-directing flags now that he has gained an awareness and an interest in him!
Yh there actually was a poll on twitter!! The winner was ‘a flag raised for MC’ - not necessarily an endgame couple ╥﹏╥ The author generally uploads chapters onto her pixiv account and some onto her twitter: https://comic.pixiv.net/works/5255
I’ve seen on her twitter (not sure if it’s been uploaded on pixiv yet) of hatano asking toujou something about MC and it ends with hatano exclaiming ‘a sadist!?’, I have noooo idea what the context behind it was but I can’t wait to find out!! : https://twitter.com/kn_sousaku/status/1343147629878726656
Now that you mention it, I would totally love for that to happen! It would be so fun to see toujou feel so tense about MC and his sister yet not understand why, and it would give Konkichi an opportunity to explore a unique pairing, free of tropes.
Lol. Me too!! The first time Toujou popped up he seemed more important than all the other bl trope guys already. And yes, I was getting all riled up when we got to the chapter where Toujou is picking up MC from the park bench. But at the same time I also thought it was supposed to be a joke that it was the “save” guy who found MC. But that soon changed after seeing their other interactions. I thought, why are they always interacting? Why do they always stumble over each other? Why does MC make it a point to think about how save Toujou is? Toujou is actually the one guy MC relaxes with because he’s under the assumption that Toujou is Ayato’s boyfriend, but we as the reader know that Toujou is actually not. Why have this misunderstanding continue in this comical way if it won’t lead to something later on? Why not have Toujou be Ayato’s boyfriend already and be done with it? Why leave this ambiguous and subtle Avenue open? Personally I think it’s on purpose. I think the author is setting up an untropey flag for MC with Toujou.
I thought back to the park bench chapter. Why would a Highschooler be out and about in the middle of the night? What compelled him to? I wonder if it was some bl trope force that subconsciously compelled him to find the MC. The thing is, this shouldn’t have happened at all. So I’m starting to think it’s not just some joke scene but some universal force this world works with that made it happen. And it seems like this force just wants them to stumble over each other over and over. Lol
I agree, they could have used any random guy for this scene because MC raised some flags with other guys before and was able to redirect their attentions in a comical fashion. He could have done the same with any random dude who brought MC home with him. It would have been funny. But no, Toujou was the one.
Yes, Toujou offering to help MC go shopping and carry his items seems a little extra on his part. One could argue that he wants to ingratiate himself to Ayato’s family, but wouldn’t it have been more logical to ask if Ayato was home alone so he could actually spend time with him behind closed doors? He just let that opportunity pass him by. One could also think he wants to make Ayato jealous because he did so in one of the latest chapters. But Ayato wasn’t even around when Toujou offered to go shopping with MC. Toujou didn’t even ask about him. He only popped up “coincidentally”. I put this in hyphen because I think Ayato’s bl trope senses danger about Toujou’s attention wandering towards MC? So yet another flag was averted, the “helping you shop leads to us bonding” trope.
I’m burning with curiosity as well. Why not show us his real-time reaction to MC? Not just during the Hatano picture incident but also during the park bench incident. We only see him as a looming shadow standing over MC. And then he is at Ayato’s front door with MC slung over his shoulder, making small talk. Huh? Why have those scenes with Toujou at all in the first place if he is unavailable? And why is always one detail missing completely? Toujou’s first hand reaction to MC being cute or vulnerable. I’m seriously starting to doubt it’s accidental.
I would be extremely disappointed if MC ends up with anyone getting interested in him because of a generic bl trope. What would be the point? Hatano is one of the most generic bl trope guys there is. Also, why is he in love? He met MC when they were kids, (something MC doesn’t even recall) then recognized him all grown up in a picture and what? Poof, I love you? He doesn’t even know MC’s personality, so how can he claim to love him? His trope is the most hilariously simple one. It doesn’t seem genuine. It looks more like the “bl universe” is trying to fuck with the MC. Also, if Hatano is so in love, why would he agree to not come and meet him for 3 years? Gave up super easily, didn’t he?
I actually reread the Kikichu chapter and realized that he never ends up with the guy MC redirected him towards because he already had a guy. So that might be why he was chosen out of all the guys that were interested in the MC. But still, this guy never pops up again. So if he was all that into MC, he would have been more persistent. And I’m also not fond of the puppy dog seme. Too childish and naïve. Ugh.
I agree. The MC Sees them more as trope characters, not real people. And that’s what’s going to bite him in the butt in regards to Toujou. He thinks Toujou is locked into his trope for the rest of his life or something. But Mc doesn’t seem to realize that feelings can change.
And that actually makes me think of those little character charts. They are surrounded by a dotted line, which implies possible change of relationships.
I was actually laughing when MC told Toujou about the Vice President confessing to him, something that turns out to be true. Toujou was flustered for the first time. Normally he’s all on top, always suave and calculating. Even with Ayato. But that caught him so off guard, I think it contributed to Toujou’s building interest. I was actually surprised that MC was talking to Toujou about how people probably confess to him all the time. Romance and sex is something MC always tries to avoid in conversation. But he brings such a slippery slope comment up to Toujou. It’s a little weird. Maybe deep down MC feels something as well? Or he’s so comfortable with Toujou because he feels safe. It’s a little sad to think that Mc doesn’t have friends he can fully relax with. He seems mostly annoyed by their secret bl relationships. So again sees them as tropes. So his relationship with Toujou should be the same. A little distant and annoyed. But the closest person, the one he’s most open with is Toujou.
Lol. I’ve been checking out that Twitter link and translated some comments and everybody seems to burn for Hatano for some reason. I don’t understand it. He also seems to be creeping up more and more in the future? I have a bad feeling about this. The author doesn’t comment on it, but I think we might get disappointed in the future. I wonder what Toujou was talking about in that panel. Was he saying the MC is a sadist or that he needs a sadist? The latter seems more fitting because MC is just reserved and flighty. Hmm. And why would Toujou think who would fit the MC? Isn’t he himself somewhat sadistic? Lol.
I’ve also checked out that pixiv link and noticed that chapter 32 on there has not been translated yet. And it’s a chapter with Toujou, MC and Ayato. I really want to know what’s happening in there. Seems like Mc is whispering something to Toujou and Ayato is flustered? Toujou doesn’t seem to want to tell him what Mc told him (probably some secret about Ayato?) he seems smug. Next scene he looks tired and unhappy for no reason I could think of. And then he just shows Ayato his smiling mask. I don’t know but this relationship seems dysfunctional. Not that other pairings don’t seem to have their problems here and there but Toujou actually seems to emotionally distance himself from Ayato, like he keeps some barrier up. Every other couple is all over each other even if one is playfully reluctant. I will keep my hope up. I just worry that the author will be swayed by all the Hatano supporters, or her agent.
And I know it’s a little hypocritical to say because Hatano and Toujou are the same age but Hatano seems like a 14 year old, and that just doesn’t mesh with college aged chill MC.
They both are horrible people. I know we are meant to sympathize with the MC because of how she has been treated, and I do. But I can’t sympathize with her acting like a leech towards the first man who has been nice to her and then „force“ a marriage on a man who already had a fiancée he supposedly loved. And she is just acting so blasé and indifferent towards the ruckus she caused, I have problems feeling bad for her. And she’s still surprised why her husband won’t be cordial towards her.
Now, I get major asshole vibes from the ML, also because it’s kept ambiguous as to how he was „forced“ into a marriage with him already having a fiancée. It could be that he was pressured by his own father? Or did the MC‘s father have more influence? But why would her father create a probable scandal by forcing an engaged couple to break up? He must have hated his daughter to the extreme if he went that far just to get rid of her. But I also assume the scene where he slaps her after meeting her future husband might be the moment she asked her father to secure this guy for herself? But why would he slap her for that if it seems to serve his purposes? There are just so many things left unsaid as of right now.
Also, if the ml hated MC so much that he couldn’t even be cordial to her, why did he even have sex with her? If in this fantasy world it’s easy to break up an engagement without either of the partners consent, then it shouldn’t also matter if he fulfills his duty to lay with a woman he despises. So, was it really forced? Or was he also swayed by money and power and wanted to secure his new position with an heir?But is disgusted with himself for having his greed put so plainly on display for himself and anyone else to see? The ml has no excuse towards taking the son away from his mother just because he feels petty and vengeful. He installs his, I assume, former fiancée as his mistress in the house and now I wonder if she was even of noble blood? What family would just allow their daughter to become some noble’s mistress if she could have easily become a nobleman’s respected wife? Doesn’t make much Sense. I‘m a little disappointed by the artist for choosing to draw the former fiancée in such an obvious villainous way, as it forces the idea on the reader that the MC is some ultimate victim. Lol. If I was on Reddit I would say „everybody sucks here“.
But it also makes the story more interesting, I just hope we won’t end up with her being portrayed as being innocent in this whole debacle she caused and will reflect on this. I also hope the Ml won’t suddenly fall in love with her just because she suddenly doesn’t want to see him anymore. Honestly, wouldn’t that make the ML even more furious towards the MC? First she ruins his relationship and future happiness (supposedly), and then flips around on him by basically telling him she doesn’t care anymore after everything is too late.
The ml is an asshole but I’m glad that he actually is because the title describes him as a tyrant. It would be a cheap cop out if he was just simply „misunderstood“. We hear stories about his assholishness and even learn that he killed the guard captain‘s parents, so it makes sense for the MC to run away. Well, she doesn’t know about those people but she has seen enough of him to make a clear judgment about his character.
But I also wonder if this guy is really the ML. He didn’t seem to care about his potential child being dead and makes a flippant comment about how they can produce more children, like she’s a broodmare and not the woman he „loves“. And him loving her is only an assumption made by that old man who explains the spell to MC. I get the vibe that he really didn’t care about their one night stand and only got interested because she tried to act like nothing happened (not like other people who threw themselves at him) and because she was able to get pregnant by him. Something he said was impossible. I’ve been wondering why a man, who doesn’t care about anyone, would randomly fall in love with his knight just because they had sex, especially after us learning that he already knew it was her and acted like he couldn’t give less of a crap. But we also get scenes where he’s concerned for her. Damn, I’m just not able to read this character.
Hope we get a flashback from his perspective
He wouldnt be called a tyrant if he wasnt an asshole tho ╮(￣▽￣)╭
He's not that much of an asshole, he still love his kids so its fine ╮(￣▽￣)╭
That doesn't make it fine at all
Nah, he’s the ML. Flashback is coming soon, actually: chapter 22. Reading this, I had to think about someone I know who truly only learned to love their kid after they got to know them. Not everyone has that natural instinct where they can love another being by just knowing that they’re a part of themselves. Heck, that could be why the emperor was able to think of them being alive or dead as something that can be dealt with as emotionlessly as he deals with some other aspects of his life.
Also, the fact that all she knows about him is based off rumors is not a selling point for me, but I see that a lot of people also take that at face value, so I think all that’s really left for us to do, is wait and see. I personally like the emperor for not being some kind of Prince Charming in disguise and I like that some of the theories I had about him having the character he now has, will be proven true,
Lol. Yes. What I mean is that I’m glad he is worthy of that „tyrant“ title, because I stumbled over many webtoons where the ml is described as a tyrant but then we see the supposed tyrant act like some super nice and emotionally stable guy who’s only an asshole to characters we are supposed to dislike anyways. Which is not really tyrant like (￣∇￣")
Certain parts seem to be rumors but I don’t really think that the guard captain made up that part about the emperor killing his parents. And how he pursues the MC without caring if she wants him or not, has tyrant qualities. And of course many people have problems bonding with their children. I just thought it was rather telling with him displaying such a lack of regard and empathy for the MC when she told him their child died. Even if it was a lie, he didn’t know that, so to not bat an eyelash and announce happily that they can have just more children was disgusting. So perfect tyrant qualities as he’s oppressive and cruel. I don’t hate him, this character flaw makes him more interesting but I hope it won’t end up with him just suddenly acting like a happy puppy because „love changed him“. Even though I didn’t see anything that betrays that he really loves her yet. Can’t wait for updates (づ￣ ³￣)づ
Im probably a pervert but the whole scene with Eclis was sexualized as hell. And I have to say I’ve been missing „mature“ content like that in what’s mostly seen as the „shoujo“ Genre. Most webtoons etc. with themes like in DITOEFTV just completely desexualize the characters. It’s always about noble love, and you would never get an inkling a ml is not just interested in the MC‘s character and bravery, but also desires the MC in a sexual fashion. So this scene was refreshing. I know many webtoons and such are sexualized but that’s mostly only to be found in smut works, where the main focus is sex. In a webtoon such as this where smut is not even on the radar, I didn’t expect such a subtle but overtly sexual flirtation scene (onesided). Can I just say I adore this work. It blends multiple genres perfectly together into a perfectly balanced out story. Many usually associate the „transmigration as villainess in a fantasy setting“ genre with tropes such as „easy resolutions, everyone adoring the villainess after acting differently one time and suddenly the past doesn’t matter, everyone just falling over the villainess for no reason, MC never questioning why the villainess was hated and not viewing the ml’s (and other people) with a more critical eye, the ml‘s are just perfect and nice even though in flashbacks of such stories we sometimes see the ml‘s behaving in a rather questionable manner towards the original villainess, bamf MC‘s who kick everybody’s rear end, everybody being in awe of such an MC immediately, and of course the Male love interests adoring the MC in an equally bland fashion and never making a subtle move, or it’s an out and out confession, which reeks of juvenility. Or in the rare oversexed transmigration genre, where the main focus is smut and getting to the point without any character development and build up, which again is juvenile for another reason.
This webtoon treats the reader as an adult, where we don’t get pointless smut, but it also doesn’t shy away from showing that these characters are grown people with adult desires.
I think I can comfortably come out and say that this is my favorite webtoon in general.
Lmao I agree that this is a great webtoon at the very least, but how the hell was that scene sexualized?
Lol. It’s a similar thing that sometimes happens in „kids movies“. Like an adult joke to make parents laugh or make them slightly uncomfortable, while it goes over their kids head. Years later you „accidentally“ watch the same movie again and realize the subtle adult humor.
The scene between Eclis and Penelope was similar but not played for comedy. To reiterate, the crossbow serves as the „subtle“ phallic symbol in this situation. Penelope remarks why it’s so stiff and if it wasn’t used much before. Perfectly innocent until Eclis enters the scene and takes complete control over the situation by pressing against her and creating tension. He touches her while talking in her ear. „If you hold it like that you can’t control it“. He’s shushing in her ear while remarking to look forward or „her“ prey might run away. The image after that shows their feet almost aligning, insinuating how close he pushed her towards himself. The next image shows that she seems uncomfortable or out of her element with that little sweat drop and gulping.
He instructs her how to hold the crossbow and to pull it close to her chest, his hand uncomfortably close to her bosom. His other hand touches her hand, guiding the crossbow. He tells her to look at her target while we get a closeup of his eye being focused on her. Implying she’s his target. He instructs her to breathe and they both hit the bullseye. Hitting that target with an arrow implies „triumph“ which is akin to an orgasm. After that the tension evaporates with him stepping away and acting like nothing untoward just occurred.
Oh my god
Bruh you're reading too much into it
I was pumped when I noticed that this promo was actually being serialized. And then I started reading it and I’m more than underwhelmed. It’s moving too quickly for my taste. The „heroine“ is just wishy washy, as is her nonexistent backstory. She’s some random girl that reincarnated into the villainess of the story during her relationship with Leo. She breaks up to put the story back on track. I get all that, but why continue to date all these random guys for more than 3 years? The only hint we get is her side comment about how she feels that she actually turned into Erika. This seems like such a huge deal to me, and for the author to ignore the implications is such a wasted opportunity imo. This would be really interesting to have a transmigrated person slowly develop habits and thought processes of the original host and despair over it. But this opportunity is just squandered for no reason, and that makes me believe the author never really thought too much about it. Or it’s the artist who can’t visually represent how ominous this would be. Whatever the case, it just makes the FL„ look like a 2 dimensional character, who dates random guys for no reason other than because the original host did. We don’t get any backstory for her, which should be the first scene to establish what kind of character the FL is and how she juxtaposes with her host. But from what we see so far, she’s the same kind of floozy with the way she acts. The only difference is her thought process. So why not have Erika time travel back to her own past to change her future? Why use a random person who is more or less the same?
Anyways, I get this is a fantasy that emulates the look of a historical world. But it just looks dumb to me to have Erika, who is a noble, take on so many different „lovers“ without any repercussions to her reputation, which would already have had an impact on her access to society. I don’t know if the term „lovers“ is actually the accurate translation here or if it was meant to be „Suitor“. If not, are we meant to believe she had sex with all those guys? Or at least heavy sexualized romances? I guess as an author you can do anything you want but what marks a good story is that even if you write fantasy, the world you create needs to have logic and structure. And if you use an antiquated class system that exists solely to amass wealth, connection and pure bloodlines, it would never be permitted for a young unmarried lady to just take on lovers, or a noble man seducing a high society miss. This just breaks immersion for me.
Zion to me is just unlikable. He claims to be Leo‘s friend but for some reason pursues Erika. The girl that made him see his best friend break down into tears. And he also is nonchalant about Leo probably seeing Erika in his house. What he says doesn’t align with his actions at all. Normally I would presume that he is a villain in disguise, who wants to hurt one or both of them. But honestly, with how the character of Erika was handled, I suspect that he’s not. And that we will probably get a scene where Leo will be vilified for feeling betrayed. But what also doesn’t make sense is that Leo would pine after a girl for 3 years, who is collecting random guys like stamps.
And what’s with Zion‘s non reaction when his step Mother threw „water“ (even though it looks like tea) on Erika? Did he want her to be humiliated? But why does he suddenly step in when she tried to slap Erika?
I don’t know, this whole scene felt off to me. The stepmother is a bitch who verbally cut Erika down. But honestly, who would want a girl, who carries such a dreadful and loose reputation, to continue the bloodline? The Kiss was just uncalled for and was hilariously proving the point the stepmother made about Erika. I understand Zion wanted to rile up his stepmother, but if he anticipated this, why not interfere with her throwing water at his supposed fiancée? Why would Erika go out of her way and just kiss this dude who blackmailed her into being his accomplice? The behavior of the characters and the world that surrounds them lacks logic and is all over the place and thus this story becomes unenjoyable. I hope it will improve but I won’t hold my breath as the artist seems to want to fly through this story with lightning speed. Sorry for the ramble.
AHHHHHHHHHHHH! YES YES YES! This is a summary of most of my thoughts about this, I felt that I would be too harsh since everyone seemed to enjoy when I first wrote my comment.
The tea scene felt SO off, to the point I thought he really wanted her to be humiliated, she mentions in the carriage how he is usually a meticulous person, I thought to myself, "you were set up girl!" and the way she is thrown tea just like that confirmed that to me at the moment, "he must want her to be humiliated for what she did to his BF" I thought, and then he receives a slap? They make out? He gets protective, jealous and blushes? GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!
Lol. I feel you. I wondered if I was coming off too harsh but I couldn’t mince my words on this. I’ve read some of the positive comments and they all amount to praising the „beautiful“ art Style and not the substance. And I’m not surprised by this as there is nothing else to praise here. And for that matter, the art style (not in the promo) is lacking „soul“. They look more like beautifully paintings without emotion. And that’s never a good thing for a medium where the conveyance of emotions by the characters rely heavily on the visuals. The characters just look empty shelled. And the juvenile writing makes this even more obvious.
What I also found weird is this time lapse of 3 years for everything to suddenly start happening. Zion claims to have become interested in Erika because she was the cause of his friends ooc reaction. But how fascinating could that whole scenario have been for him if he waited 3 years to approach her? They obviously move in the same social circles and he never stumbled over her before this? And if he was so interested, why not seek her out sooner? Was he just observing his friend for all those years and then became bored and finally moved onto his next target? It just doesn’t make any sense and is all around juvenile. And i have to say it again. How can he call himself Leo‘s friend if he goes after the floozy that Leo still pines after? And why go after her at all? He blackmails her, let’s her be humiliated but suddenly wants to kiss her for real? And from knowing who the male lead is here, it makes even less sense. He comes across like a person who observes insects through a magnifying glass as a hobby, and if something irregular happens becomes fascinated with the unexpected chain reaction of things. But not really the source (Erika) of such reaction. He comes off as a person with psychopathic personality disorder. Like some cheap Hannibal clone, who sets people up in order to watch what would happen Which would be interesting if that was actually the plan. But because it’s written so poorly, I truly doubt it. If the novel is anything like this I don’t understand how it became so popular that we got a webtoon adaptation of this. The characters seem empty headed and self absorbed. From all the transmigration stories I’ve read so far, this is one of the worst.
Not at all, I think your comment was very constructive and critique, I enjoy a lot wall comments like that, I myself tend to write like that when I get excited for good or for bad haha.
I think you are mostly right, this feel such a waste of a manhwa, it could have being better than this.
I recently notice this wave of new manhwas that don't bother to introduce us the original soul reincarnator, maybe they think is too bothersome to explain the same introduction? But that's fundamental! How else would I know the juxtaposition between the original soul and the new soul? The different in personalities, the extent of their abilities, their limitations, that's the fun part of reincarnation/transmigration.
If the story is good enough they can maybe get away with not explaining that, for example "I raise Cinderella preciously" imo, got away with it, the character and the story is good enough to not pay too much mind to that, the difference between transmigrator and OG had being established, even if it was not in a precise way and was left ambiguous.
Don't be able to take criticism as a fan of something you like makes you childish, I say this as response to comments like "can you stop leaving mean comments :( " "if you don't like it, don't read it! >:( "
This is as far as Seungho can go in admitting he did Nakyum wrong. It’s only annoying to me that this happened during a sex scene as it diminishes the power of such an admission imo. And honestly I still don’t know what he’s sorry about. Because he treated Nakyum harshly after he thought he ran away? Because he blackmailed him into a sexual relationship? What’s he sorry about?
Anyways, I like the little detail with Seungho not wearing his headband. I suppose it shows him letting his guard down a little more with Nakyum. Clothing is a status symbol and his headband is a sign of his status. He wore it during every sex scene until this moment. It lets other people know that they are beneath him, even during the most intimate of embraces. So I assume it works like some sort of guard and a sign to others that this is only sex and nothing more. Seungho has never been this naked (open) before with another person. Next step is only to let down his topknot, which is yet another symbol of his status. (I really want to see that).
The thing that bothers me though is that he verbalized this for Nakyum and with that seems like some kind of manipulation. I believe the author didn’t intend this at all and only mentioned this to show the readers how important this scene is and how Seungho is changing. I think it was a mistake though to make him say this out loud how he’s not wearing his headband while Nakyum is wearing Seungho’s robe and how he’s “superior” in that moment to the actual lord of the manor.
It’s interesting to me that Seungho says that he can’t bow down in apology to Nakyum because of their social status and he can only do it in form of a sexual act. I quite like that detail. It shows that he’s not fully there yet. It also shows the power of societies where social status is extremely important, especially in a historical setting.
I have to say though that as much as Seungho seems more and more like a person of flesh and blood, Nakyum is turning into a convenient price for Seungho’s “good behavior”. What I mean is that the things Seungho did to him don’t seem to have that much of an impact on Nakyum. Nakyum doesn’t feel outrage, bitterness, fear, anger or mistrust for Seungho as soon as the latter turns soft on him. And I don’t understand why after all he had to endure. It makes him look like he’s on standby as a character who is only there to react to Seungho’s behavior without the history they shared with each other affecting the outcome when Seungho turns on a dime into being “nice” to Nakyum.
Seungho doesn’t really have to work for Nakyum’s favor at all. He treats Nakyum like trash for perceived “misbehavior”, he finds out he was wrong, turns his anger on the real perpetrator and treats Nakyum warmly again. And Nakyum just falls right into it. If at least we had scenes where Nakyum has thoughts about not truly trusting Seungho's words in the present, I wouldn’t feel so annoyed by it. I’m also annoyed by Nakyum having this inner dialog how he doesn’t feel love for Inhun anymore but how his heart starts racing for Seungho in this chapter. I’m sorry, so soon after the kidnapping debacle, where Seungho’s anger was so forcefully focused on Nakyum, to get a scene like this is kind of ridiculous to me. It doesn’t fit with what just happened like 5 chapters ago. It makes Nakyum look rather simple, if not a caricature. And it’s so jarring because this story treats most aspects in a realistic manner.
And as much as the “we don’t have to go further if you don’t want to” scene is supposed to give the reader warm and gooey feelings, the reality of it is that Nakyum doesn’t have an unbiased choice. He is a captive by force and we had scenes where Seungho punished Nakyum for trying to refuse him. We were witness to Seungho doing a 180 constantly in being a prick and then being nice and vice versa. So wouldn’t Nakyum be scared to refuse him in this moment? Wouldn’t he rather be motivated by keeping Seungho in an agreeable mood to make it easier on himself? I have to admit, I don’t like this chapter in how it turned out. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I don’t think Keisuke really loves Akane. Akane has been pretending to be someone he’s not. So where did Keisuke feelings for him suddenly spark from if he doesn’t know his real personality? I think it’s more about Keisuke feeling pity but also feels flattered that Akane would do such a thing for him.
Some people mentioned that they don’t think Keisuke ever loved Mei either, but honestly I think he actually did. Just because Mei was the one asking him out doesn’t mean Keisuke’s feelings were disingenuous. If he wasn’t in love with Mei then he would have never fallen into the “Mei is still alive” delusion Akane presented to him. He wouldn’t have enjoyed it so much if he didn’t love Mei.
I feel sorry for Akane as well. He might have had a crush on Keisuke, but I think he’s so ridden with guilt over causing his brother’s death and subsequently taking Keisuke’s lover away from him, that it’s not really about love but more about taking away the pain he caused Keisuke.
This relationship is doomed imo and highly dysfunctional. They shouldn’t end up with each other.
Keisuke might talk about letting Mei go but he would always see him when looking upon Akane. Akane already felt that way and this won’t vanish after one blunt talk.