Of course I feel pity about what happened to him as a kid. And it makes sense why he would treat Patrizia like the enemy, as i think he projects a lot of his feelings he has for his „mother“ (empress) towards Patrizia because of her status in being the empress. Exactly how he tries to protect his mistress so fiercely because he couldn’t protect his own birth mother, who was his fathers mistress. So I think his behavior has a lot to do with these women’s position in his life. But he now feels confused because Patrizia seems to have more qualities of his own birth mother (the victim of jealousy and almost killed for it), and his mistress acting more like the former empress did. I understand it’s not easy to compute when you realize that characteristics in a person you chose to love and protect, are more akin to the person you feared and hate. I think this causes some brain freeze in him, that Patrizia and his mistress act opposed to what he expected and learned from experience about their formal positions. I think this is the major reason why he doesn’t take action. Still, spoiler......................I don’t see how Patrizia would forgive him when she comes to know she was only chosen because she’s barren, as that gives him ample reason to dispose of her and make the mistress his empress. So Patrizia’s death was decided upon right then. Especially with what happened in the original timeline. Her sister and her whole family were executed because he wanted them to die. Maybe not really her family but with the „treason“ she was accused of, her family members were sacrificial lambs. Maybe they were even killed so they wouldn’t raise objections and rally other nobles around their cause. When he killed her sister, he was still the same person that Patrizia knows now. And I don’t think Patrizia‘s sister was any less kind or lovely. The only mistake she made was falling in love with him and showing her jealousy. Which of course, yet again, fed the emperor’s delusion about how the former empress was driven to despicable acts due to her own jealousy. I would really love to get more info on what happened in the former timeline. But I think we would hate him even more.
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From what I heard in the comments, both choosing her for being barren and the execution weren't his decisions at all, but results of Rosamund's plotting. In the other timeline, she had a lot more control over him bc Patrizia's sister wasn't as good at revealing Rosamund's true face as Patrizia is.
Thanks for the info. But that makes me dislike him even more, if that makes sense? I would have respected him more if he actually was an all aware villain, instead of Rosamond‘s pussy whipped pawn. And how can it be that he as the emperor he didn’t decide to execute them but his mistress did? Doesn’t make much sense to me from a storytelling point of view. That’s my gripe with this webtoon. The story tries to absolve him from any responsibility to make him into an acceptable love interest for Patrizia. And it’s not even necessary because the moral ambiguity as to why Patrizia would fall for such a man, would be much more interesting to me. It’s definitely more interesting to me than her falling for such a mentally weak and easily manipulated man. And Patrizia‘s sister not being able to show him Rosamond‘s real face behind the facade still doesn’t make him look good. It makes him look foolish. Rosamond was really aggressive with Patrizia from the beginning. Overly obvious. So I would assume that she wasn’t much different with Patrizia’s sister. Something the emperor should have caught on to. I would respect the story more if they just came out and said that he willfully ignored his mistress‘s schemes because it served him as well because he wanted her to become his empress.
..who is not really keen on a female heroine being transmigrated into a bl novel? Always seems to me like a possibility is squandered, especially if the art is gorgeous. Or like the author is low key saying that the males Leads don’t have to be gay and just didn’t meet the right woman yet. Makes me shudder a bit. Why set it in a bl world anyways if it’s just straight romance in the end? I would love to finally read a bl transmigration story about a male MC who has to juggle through a bl game or novel world. And not a girl who has been transmigrated into it. It’s even worse if the female MC is transmigrated into a guy‘s body because the implications of what that would do to a persons psyche are just ignored and made to be a joke.
Do u need recommendations for bl manhwas where they mc is male and transmigrated to another world?
If you have some please recommend
That would be amazing. Please do (づ￣ ³￣)づ
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/straight_princess_in_the_royal_palace/ This one is Shounen Ai
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/i_was_reborn_as_the_villainess_father_and_i_need_xxx_to_survive/ And this one is just hardcore bl
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/straight_princess_in_the_royal_palace/ This one is Shounen Ai
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/i_was_reborn_as_the_villainess_father_and_i_need_xxx_to_survive/ And this one is just hardcore bl
Thank you. I know the second one but the first one is new to me. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
You’re welcome (●'◡'●)
Well I would love to see more bl isekai manhua as well but don't forget that there are quite a few bl isekai novels where the male is thrown into a straight harem novel world and yet makes the male lead fall for him lol Does that make you shudder as well?Honestly It's just something that authors use, be it in a straight or bl novel... It's quite unrealistic as you mentioned (except if the characters where bi to begin with) but then again It's supposed to be a fictional world that was created by the novels author and the MC who gets in it kinda influences the story and always changes the course of events so why not even the genre? It's like the MC is a part time author, re making the plot lol At least that's how I preseve it (=・ω・=)
I don’t really get into those novels because they are , more often than not, not very well translated. Honestly that is a good question you asked and I have to confess that it’s doesn’t make me shudder in reverse. I just think it’s a Little unrealistic for the super straight playboy to suddenly pursue a guy. Or the most annoying trope of „everybody is gay for the male MC“. I think me being uncomfortable about a female MC being flung into a bl world and getting everybody to fall for her, probably comes from how in real life society dealt and Deals with homosexuality. This scenario just reminds me of the mindset of people who believe in conversion camps. So whenever I see media, in this case a webtoon that low key kind of says „see, he’s not really gay, just didn’t meet the right woman“, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Well I understand what you mean but still it's a bit biased... Cause at least in novel/manhuas it happens both ways and yet people usually only criticize the straight ones. Or how people sometimes are like "gay relationships are so much cuter and better that straight ones" which is totally fetishizing and stereotypical. Btw there is a really good one with a pretty good translation "Scum villain's self-saving system", if you are into system novels give it a try ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶!
My feelings towards this are certainly biased. Where I feel uncomfortable about a female MC making originally gay guys fall for her, I only feel annoyed in the reverse. There are many gripes I have with bl tropes in general, some which also make me uncomfortable. Like „rape to love“, or a super sadistic seme treating the uke like shit and the uke letting it slide because „LOVE“. Or the really annoying trope of the uke almost being raped by some rival of the seme, only for it to end up with the seme saving the uke and the rapist being told „the next time I won’t forgive you!!“ like seriously? Call the cops! And yes, I also hate how bl couples are often too fetishized by many. Especially this weird trope that the uke has to be smaller and almost girl like in many bl‘s. Worst offender imo is okane ga nai. I hate it as it has all the tropes I despise. Thank you for the suggestion. I will have to check out this novel. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Oh please. Y'all are so biased towards bl it's annoying. Bl fans can't stop commenting "wish this was a yaoi" under every good straight manga and it's so fetishistic.
It happens both ways in manhwa and i've never seen ppl criticize bl stories for doing that. Also if a "gay" guy falls for a girl he's not gay he's bi.
That sounds like fetishizing oppression in an oppressed minority...
Id say its a preference, plus sexuality is fluid.. i hope people understand preferences and types can change anytime.. well thats my opinion(￣∇￣")
...“ redhead proves his loyalty to Yuri“ moment. Otherwise they wouldn’t have brought up his betrayal of her again. I like that, as we need a conflict between the Queen and Yuri again for the redhead to show some character development and stops following his Cousin (or whatever she is to him) blindly. I know many people are pissed that this happened. I loved that we got a moment where we’ve seen a completely different side to the all jovial puppy dog redhead. It was surprising but also had me binge this story. So kudos to the author for amazing dramatic writing skills. I like that we’ve seen him all cold like that, as it gives me the feeling like we are reading about real people and not just mere webtoon tropes. This scene showcases a serious character flaw in the redhead. He’s a follower and 100% loyal to the Queen without question. He has no ambition or drive for anything. He got a title because the Queen wanted him to have one. He does what she wants. When he visits Yuri in her new house, he secretly brings the Queen along because she wanted to. And he didn’t think to inform Yuri at all. Of course this could all be because of bad timing, but it nicely shows where his loyalties lie. Right now, I get the feeling he would marry princess Arsinoe if the Queen wished him to. He would throw Yuri into a dungeon if the Queen would command it. All sad eyed of maybe, but he would justify it by claiming he has no choice. And I think, we forgot that he is a candidate to the Throne . If he wished to, he could take it. But I don’t see him ever wanting it. Which is fine, but he also has no other aspirations and desires, other than playing loyal guard dog to his Queen. At one time I suspected they were actually a little sweet on each other. I have to confess that it would have made the Story even more interesting. What I love is that Yuri doesn’t care at all about the redhead romantically, which is a breath of fresh air.
This is killing me. The art is gorgeous and the premise interesting. I hate that this is just a promo (╯°Д °)╯╧╧
Why did he slap him? For being attacked? That’s messed up as hell. And I hate how the MC just ignored how idiotic that was and just swallowed the excuse of how the other guy just wanted to stop the fight. Then why attack the victim? If that was the guy I liked, all my feelings would evaporate into thin air.
Yaoi logic (〜￣△￣)〜 it frustrates me too
Ugh, the cursed Yaoi “logic”. What I thought was even more bizarre is how many commenters seem to absolutely loathe the guy that was slapped.
Wuts up with the victim blaming. That's messed up
I like how all the guys here look like actual guys. So it’s not obvious at all who is going to take it up the butt later. At least I can’t tell at all. Hope it’s verse.
idk this kind of comment just always seems like a backhanded compliment to me
I think you might be readying too much into this. I’m only referring to the usual bl tropes like one guy being shorter, having more of a baby face and acting so soft it almost seems like he’s a school girl hiding in the body of a boy, which outs them automatically as the uke in these stories. In bl who the seme and who the uke is, is mostly clear by looking at the cover itself or reading the first chapter. In this story I can’t tell at all. Which is a compliment to the author/artist.
Lol. Screw auto correct on these phones. Edit for reading, not readying. (⌒▽⌒)
Im a Little annoyed in seeing so many people trash the mistress but giving Lucio a pass. They both deserve each other. The mistress does what many people in her situation do. They grab for anything they can reach because without it they are powerless. Don’t get me wrong she’s a major c**t, behaves like an ill mannered child and has no business wanting to be the future empress, as she’s utterly unfit in regards to her personality. But people seem to forget that Lucio put her into a position to aspire for just that. I heard (spoiler)...............................that Lucio planned to make her his empress and that Patrizia was chosen to be empress because she’s barren, so they can turn this into cause of divorce and put the mistress into the empress seat. That’s not just some scheme by her but a full fledged plan by both her and Lucio, with him as the driving force. I argue that she would have never acted this self important and like she’s untouchable if Lucio didn’t make it clear that she could act this way without repercussions. All this „she manipulated him because she was there for him during his trauma“, takes his self agency away, like he is a lost little baby. They are both of the same caliber imo. Now he starts to feel bad because Patrizia is capable and after talking to her and what they went through together (assassins), he starts to see her as a human not merely a tool to make his mistress the empress. That also reminds me of the original timeline. I can’t imagine that Patrizia‘s sister was any less kind and capable. Yet she and her whole family were executed. And in no way do I believe it was all the mistress fault. Lucio wanted her to be his empress and got Patrizia‘s sister out of the way because he wanted to. I don’t believe he thought she really committed treason. Not just that he also knowingly wrongfully executed her whole family. Imo, they are both vile scum. I don’t care that he has a childhood trauma. It’s not an excuse of anything that happened. What I also don’t get.....spoiler.............why wouldn’t he keep his mistress in line after he falls out of love? I thought he cared about her but he lets her fall to ruin. I don’t know the Details but I wouldn’t be surprised if he never openly told her that it’s over. Otherwise she wouldn’t have a reason to further interfere with Patrizia, because it wouldn’t make her empress anymore if Lucio broke it off officially
Took the words right out of my mouth. Like, ok.. the mistress is shit. But she wouldn't act that arrogant if she didnt have the emperor's backing. The emperor is shit & having a sad bg story/trauma doesnt make him any less of one. It makes him pitiful yes but he isnt really sorry unless he's actually doing something about it.
Shit i meant to give kudos sorry.
Yes!! He is the cause of her acting like that. I mean right after the trial, she hangs on him and he remains silent about what happened. He looks a little put out but where are the reprimands or questions? If he truly believed Patrizia was lying, he wouldn’t have looked so downtrodden in front of his mistress. He also would have let Patrizia know that he doesn’t believe her. Of course the mistress thinks everything is fine and dandy but she’s also smart and noticed him being a little cold. So of course she would continue to scheme. This guy is not doing anything to stop this drama. I hate how this story is trying to twist Lucio into this reluctant and helpless villain/antihero. If he’s so weak, then he’s just as incapable to be emperor as his mistress an empress. Now we get to the part to make him look more pitiful and I couldn’t care less. He’s weak willed as hell and I was lolling at Patrizia’s thoughts about him sobbing and screaming on the floor like a fool. „I just want to go to bed“ (￣ε(#￣)Σ had me cracking up. I hope she won’t buy his bs. She after all remembers the original timeline. She knows her sister. She knows that he killed their whole family to make his whore empress. Him sobbing around would make me despise him even more after knowing what he did. At least make him a real villain, not this simpering fool who doesn’t know who or what he is. He goes along with whatever impresses him in the women around him like a leaf in the wind at a moments notice. In his mistress case it’s her taking care of his ass during his trauma and her skills in bed. Now he’s falling for Patrizia for reluctantly having to hold his hand during his breakdown, and her saving his ass. If he was at least steadfast in his emotions and opinions. But he’s doing nothing about anything while Patrizia is trying to stay alive and on top. He is the cause of everything that’s happening and his mistress is just a symptom. The mistress acting above her station is because Lucio is scheming to make her his empress. She knows this. They talked about this behind the scenes. I don’t understand why she tried to kill the empress without telling Lucio. He wants to be rid of her as well. Why would she act alone? Also.....spoiler......I Heard- after she lost her baroness title that the mistress is made into an official mistress of some kind. That wouldn’t happen if Lucio didn’t want it to happen. So everything that happened until now didn’t change anything for him. Which is fine, I just hate how undecided he is about it all. Just so the story can twist him into a proper love interest for Patrizia. Doesn’t work for me as she is boss!
Couldn't agree more
Honestly lucio is pathetic trash, he does absolutely nothing but back up the mistress and when they finally "break up " he still does nothing! The empress literally has to everything herself
So Nakyum’s choking wounds disappeared just for plot convenience. He was also in a way tortured. No marks of that at all? This sucks. And why wouldn’t Nakyum say anything? On one side I get it. He’s scared and might think why would Seungho, a noble lord do anything about it but Nakyum also seems to know nothing about Seungho‘s personality. The guy is possessive as hell. Beat other people up for his sake and basically confessed his feelings. So didn’t he think Seungho would be wanting/able to protect him from his former lover and the hired assassin? Just tell the truth. And Seungho is also a prick. He kidnapped Nakyum. Forced himself on him repeatedly while always letting Nakyum know that he is just a body for him who has no self agency in this relationship. How can he be super mad thinking Nakyum ran away, just because his feelings evolved into „love“ and he confessed? Doesn’t automatically mean that Nakyum is obligated to just accept it. So what’s going to happen now? Nakyum Will obviously be raped again. But now will probably be locked away after that and Seungho might force him again to draw him and others just to punish the poor kid and show him he doesn’t care? I think a lot of Seungho’s anger has to do with hurt pride. Nakyum is truly alone here. The art is amazing and the story interesting but I can’t really say I root for them to end up together. Simply because I don’t feel they have a connection other than sexual. They never had a real conversation. And I understand, Nakyum has to be careful what he’s saying to Seungho. But when we get down to it why Seungho is so in „love“ with Nakyum, it’s really just about looks, his drawing ability that makes Seungho hard, and Nakyum being in love with his „learned sir“ while trying to refuse Seungho, who always got anyone he wanted. So to me that’s not really about love but obsession and pride on Seungho‘s side. Nakyum is scared and powerless and has no say so in anything that happens to him. The problem I have with Nakyum is, we don’t really find out much about what’s going on in his mind. It’s all about the „learned sir“ and Seungho. Everything he thinks about is those two men, how they treat him and what he feels about them. With all that he remains a little two dimensional because we never get to know who Nakyum is as a person. What are his aspirations and plans for the future? His thoughts about people other than those two men, thoughts about his situation, the despair for his situation? Where is his anger? We just always see him cry. He has such a mild temper that he sometimes seems to disappear into the background personality wise. And honestly, that’s not really so much his fault because whenever he shows some spunk it’s ignored by others and with that doesn’t have much impact. Like he’s just there to be a romantic interest and wait around until Seungho takes his head out of his ass. I feel like I don’t know who Nakyum is, like something is not being said. After all he grew up in a brothel and seen many things. He’s artistically very talented. He had enough balls to draw images depicting sodomy for profit before he ever met Seungho. I want to read about this Nakyum and get more info about his past. He abruptly stopped because his learned sir was giving him a speech about how disgusting that is. I get he’s in love and all, but why stop drawing at all? He could draw other things to make money. I mean we Never hear about how he makes his money otherwise. Seungho just finds out he’s a drunk. So did Nakyum just give up on his art completely? I don’t know, for someone who grew up in a brothel he is too innocent in regards to not being street wise at all. Like he has no Will to live unless it’s for the sake of some dude.
I agree with all this but damn u got some super memory cause a sis couldn’t even remember their names
Lol. Sometimes I can’t remember the names in other webtoons either so just refer to them as the MC and seme. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
This is an interesting plot and all but I just don’t believe the seme likes the uke as much as he tries to convince him of. He grabbed the Uke from the streets, the latter clearly heartbroken and depressed, proceeds to have sex with him and then more or less forced the idea on him to live together. Uke just goes along with it because, why not. But I think there is a huge discrepancy going on in regards to what the seme tells him, and what he actually does. Seme tells uke he will love him, and I get the feeling he wants to build up the Uke‘s self confidence and trust just to later shatter it again. But how does he think this would work, if he more or less treated him like a roommate until the Uke low key complained to him about apparently being satisfied by his porn trysts and not wanting to have sex with him because of this? How can the seme expect him to trust a man who is a porn actor, a straight one at that, who still nonchalantly goes ahead with his career without seemingly giving a thought of what this could do to the uke if the seme succeeds in making him fall for him? Why would the seme think that forcing the uke to watch his porn movie while proceeding to re-enact the same scene with him, would lead the uke to trust him? Isn’t he aware that this would hurt him emotionally? And what is with this „ I love you“? It really looks like the seme is rubbing salt into the Uke‘s wound with that shtick . I don’t know, I get the feeling the seme Must have really hated the uke in Highschool or something. Then he finds his imaginary rival of old being down in the dumps and completely vulnerable. So what does he do? He tries to make him dependent on him while still hurting him. Seems like the seme read the „abuser manual“ or something.
This is what I'm thinking but I'm unfortunately no able to express it since Im not confident in english heheh but yes thank you, you did elaborate it all
I mean in this chapter he himself says that he isn't that sure if he likes the uke so...
That’s what also comes off as suspicious to me. In the beginning he was so forceful with his declarations about how he will love the uke. To say it like that sounds off to me. Wouldn’t you normally say “I like you and I want to make you like me too”, or something similar? He picked him up from the streets, more or less forced cohabitation (which is a weird thing to do for someone you will maybe love later but not now) . And then just seems to cool towards the uke, and doesn’t do anything to actually get emotionally closer to him. He sits back, continues on with his life like he didn’t make any bold declarations towards the uke, which would confuse the other person and of course they would ask what’s going on. I see this as manipulation by the seme. His reaction to the uke asking why he doesn’t make a move is to turn it around in the uke. Which to me looks like a power play where the seme doesn’t have to admit to anything (not even lust towards uke), and can actually play the “you wanted it, I just oblige” card. Which again fits with the theme of his weird declaration that didn’t really involve a confession. He emotionally tortures him after that with this little (let’s watch my movie fucking my co star and reenact this in real time). This is vile especially to someone who’s self esteem is already torn down. The fake “I love you” is said in tandem with his porn movie dialogue, and obviously whispered into the Uke’s ears on purpose. Seme knows it’s not true, and he knows Uke must know this. But he seems to want to make him fall anyways while still treating him like this. Looks like revenge of some kind to me honestly. So what I think would happen after the uke confesses, is the seme rejecting him and telling him that he never made any promises and that he didn’t come to love him after all. Like “my bad, see you!” Seme didn’t admit to anything that would suggest emotional vulnerability towards uke. He could easily tell him that he only had sex because the uke complained, and that the porn reenactment dialogue was just that. A reenactment. I don’t know, he just comes off as fake with everything in regards to uke. As he also has always this smarmy and self satisfied expression on his face, or those panels where we see his grin or “scheming” looks while the other is unaware. I think the author has done so on purpose. Sorry for the ramble. Merry Christmas
Yesssss!
Exactly....