Why are you all casting moral aspersions on Doyeon from seeing her background? What’s wrong with you all? Selfish???? Pretends to be a good person?????? How the fuck did you get such terrible shit from this??????????????
Are we all forgetting the reason Cirrus could literally blackmail Skylar is because Skylar was being a creep? Just imagine you and your friend hanging out and then you find folders of pictures of yourself self collected and kept on their devices? I would vomit, I would feel disgusted, betrayed, and so scared. Because you wouldn’t think they only took those pictures innocently, you’d also think they did things with them and once you know it is like unconsensually being the subject of someone’s fantasies, which is disturbing. No, this is not the same as collecting pics of your idol, this is a person you have a close relationship with and you know personally. This is so creepy and weird. I don’t know why everyone is acting like Skylar is some saint here and has never done something wrong and Cirrus was some villain who did crazy shit to him unprompted, and that Cirrus is the only unhinged person. And finally, this is the important part, that Cirrus deserved to hear that from Skylar. He did not. I don’t know why I keep seeing comments of this over and over again, no he did not deserve to hear that and yes Skylar was an asshole and I never want them together. Since they got together, Skylar has also physically assaulted him. Like, what the fuck. Does no give a fuck about that?
Wait why did i forget the real purpose on how cirrus managed to get the photos
yeah and what did Cirrus do?? blackmail him, embarrass him in front of his crush by bringing ra in in the picture. breaking his heart and then suddenly falling in love and almost outing him to the fucking world. and ofc stirring trouble in chan li's relationship THAT HE HIMSELF STARTED bcs of his insecurities. Skylar has trust issues too but we don't see him pulling such bs. to me the only weird and inappropriate thing he did was the one with the photos. but even then Cirrus used it for his own intentions and not because he really cared about chan li.
master manipulator, the kind Kendrick would rap abt
I just want to say that both of them are at fault and not innocent
Jesus, the kind Kendrick would rap about? You just hate Cirrus. And you’re brushing over the photos thing and the physical assault, that is serious, it is violating and creepy, and the author had to work overtime in every other aspect to make Skylar sympathetic because what he did was really weird and creepy. And if he wasn’t creepy and weird Cirrus wouldn’t have any leverage, I personally would have reported Skylar if I found out, have some kind of paper trail. And the physical assault!!!!!!! Also Chan Il is allowed to have relationships, Chan Il is Cirrus’s friend and Ri-in is a precious friend to Cirrus so I truly don’t think his intentions were solely manipulative. Also he didn’t stir trouble man, he was in a really terrible situation and he needed support. Ask your girlfriend what happened not the dude you suspect who is also you’re friend, like what even is that move??????
I just wanted to add that skylar isn’t innocent
Lets hold him accountable for his actions please
Both of these characters have traumatic experiences
oh pack it up skylar one dimensional fan
meant to upvote omg totally agree with u. i feel like people forget WHY the whole story started in the first place. cause skylar was a fucking weirdo lmao
ye exactly what Skylar did was creepy like disturbing but Cirrus decided it was time to make himself better and use it against Skyler (ofc) but also against chan li since he didn't report it, didn't tell him and in the last chapters showing how he didn't like the way chan li was being "nice" to Skylar because it reminded of himself.
im not a Skylar fan but i sure am a cirrus hater (hater is a strong world, disliker maybe??)
broski come on
Chan Il is Cirrus’s friend and Ri-in is a precious friend to Cirrus so I truly don’t think his intentions were solely manipulative
im sorry but cirrus clearly holds some kind of grudge against chan li the moment he saw him being "nice" to Skylar bcs it reminded him of himself
and im pretty sure it is very clear that his only intentions WERE solely manipulative, bcs he wanted to show to skylar u can't do anything abt it even tho he knew it himself, he wanted to remind him of the position skylar was
Also he didn’t stir trouble man, he was in a really terrible situation and he needed support.
I myself, the last thing i would want when i find myself in a shit situation is having a precious friend that has been nothing but nice to me, misunderstanding the situation and thinking the worst abt me and their relationship.
CIRRUS CLEARLY CAN'T DO THAT SHIT
in my perspective, yes Cirrus has been through A LOT, not even knowing what its like being loved since a child. But that doesn't give a free pass to destroy those around you. Skylar isn't a saint either, but with everything Cirrus does we don't even get the chance to see that side of Skylar, only a little at the beginning. What we mostly see is Skylar knowing what love is (in a family), finding it (romantically) and being shattered by it, to the point even his family had to suffer from it. And yet here he is giving it a chance again but every damn angsty chapter is some shit cirrus stirred that is now backfiring and making Skylar afraid of being used again. Like...what even is the point ??? i just don't understand his (cirrus) intentions or what exactly he is trying to achieve
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It cuts to twenty years in the future from now and this shit is a distant memory, both of them have moved on with someone else and they’re happy, they don’t even really remember much of this time or each other, just snippets here and there of a few concrete memories, some of the emotions, because so much more life and people have been experienced after that that this is just another part. They just don’t really think about it at all because they are different people and they’ve grown, those shoes, clothes, bodies, and emotions don’t fit them anymore but like a well worn sweater their sentiments and nostalgia are somewhere to be found when they are looked for, fondly thought of, the pain no longer there, the regret already reconciled with, all that’s left is the relief and pride of having been able to get through that tough time. And now they’ve so much life yet to live with someone they each love and cherish.
How do you know that?
Noooo it’s best ending meaning I wish this happened, idk shit, idek what happens next ch
Gurl I just read hypothetical lol
Ohhhh nooo, no you did read right, it was best ending but after I saw your reply I was like I gotta change the title because this is probably confusing, I’m sorry for unintentionally gaslighting you
That'd be ideal for me. I wanted them far away from each other, all three of them
Yupp
Skylar said more things that can’t be taken back, and it was brutal. I do not ship them at all, now or in the future when they are adults. I sincerely hope they never get back together. I think I’m a dumbass for starting to read this a few chs before they started getting together fr because I absolutely dislike Skylar so much.
I couldn’t read the beginning because I cringed so hard at Skylar being a creep so I skipped that shit and now where I’m at Skylar has physically assaulted Cirrus, feels like Cirrus shouldn’t have introduced Chan il to his own crush (my boy is straight, leave him alone and stop projecting your possessiveness and desire on him, this reaction to finding out is probably because of the manipulative aspect but I’m pretty sure some of that hurt and anger is because fulfilment of the crush of Chan il ), and continually says brutal things to Cirrus while also dating Cirrus while still being in love wihh th Chan il. I know Cirrus showed real sociopathic behaviour in the beginning but once again, he could only do that blackmail shit because Skylar was being a creep so idk what to think, someone help me.
You're absolutely correct, but because the story us told with Skylar as the protaf, many tend to sympathize with him and ignore all he did and act like Cirrus actions were umpropted and not somehow the result of skykar's own choices finally catching up with him
Skylar said more things that can’t be taken back, and it was brutal. I do not ship them at all, now or in the future when they are adults. I sincerely hope they never get back together. I think I’m a dumbass for starting to read this a few chs before they started getting together fr because I absolutely dislike Skylar so much.
I couldn’t read the beginning because I cringed so hard at Skylar being a creep so I skipped that shit and now where I’m at Skylar has physically assaulted Cirrus, feels like Cirrus shouldn’t have introduced Chan il to his own crush (my boy is straight, leave him alone and stop projecting your possessiveness and desire on him, this reaction to finding out is probably because of the manipulative aspect but I’m pretty sure some of that hurt and anger is because fulfilment of the crush of Chan il ), and continually says brutal things to Cirrus while also dating Cirrus while still being in love wihh th Chan il. I know Cirrus showed real sociopathic behaviour in the beginning but once again, he could only do that blackmail shit because Skylar was being a creep so idk what to think, someone help me.
The last few chapters starting from when they entered the school has been pretty good horror. The demon creature thing is excellent, timing of the panels and scenes is really good, it’s very creepy. Also the last panel of this chapter was so lovely
Guys, shit is way more complex than Doyeon taking advantage of the fact that Jinjoo is dependent on her. Jinjoo starts making weird demands starting from ch 8 to her to never leave her alone again. And then Doyeon kisses her mid argument annd that is FUCKED UP AND WRONG and then Jinjoo rejects that shit and then Doyeon puts distance annd respects that and then in ch 12 Jinjoo ASKS DOYEON TO SLEEP IN THE SAME BED????? WHY??????????? WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?????? Jinjoo is not a helpless teenager, she is a 40 year old woman who has had jobs before. There are women’s shelters she can look into to go there. She is devout and active in the church community, why not ask for help there?????? This 24 year old college student could not have been her only option.
First off she ask Doyeon to share the bed because her back hurt from sleeping on the couch because of how skinny she is and second she ask Doyeon to never leave her because she was alone in her own apartment for so long and being harassed almost everyday by thugs and 3rd if Doyeon was a guy you would then see and even agree that she did take advantage of Jinjoo when she stayed there,that time Doyeon Fucked Jinjoo in the kitchen she didn't even ask her and if that was man you would see how WRONG that was,the thoughts that crosses Jinjoo's mind i feel like some of y'all ignore it which is Jinjoo's true and honest feelings.
True and based
Cool.
Don’t be obtuse, the couch thing is bs and never leaving her alone again is crossing the line, she cannot ask that of Doueon, you can’t even ask that of a regular normal friend. The only answer Doyeon could have had after kissing her or even beginning to think those thoughts towards Jinjoo is to kick her out. That is the only ethical answer. Jinjoo initiated all that shit after for god knows what reason, even after Doyeon put space between them. And after Jinjoo’s dumb shit of a husband came back, the way she treated Doyeon was terrible. Once again, she is not a child. How do you justify ch 20 and Jinjoo’s vile behaviour towards Doyeon’s sister? How did she know Doyeon’s parents were rich and what position they held in society? She literally got off on the domination and making Doyeon’s sister feel disgusted and feel sick. And she used that energy to have sex with Doyeon right after. And this was before Doyeon’s sister went batshit crazy and did insane shit. I mean, lady, just go to your church and ask for help, srsly, what the frick. Or how about when she manipulated Doyeon’s guy friend by saying shit like Doyeon talks about him so much she thought on he was her bf, she said that to manipulate him into being ok with her staying with Doyeon.
Seems you're a bit slow,Jinjoo said anything to be able to stay at Doyeon's place,she was in survival mode and her sleeping with Doyeon after was her trying to make the entire situation just end already,she didn't want to discuss what happened but used sex as a distraction,she told Doyeon's sister that shit get her tp keep her mouth shut about her staying there and what would happen to her parents reputation if it got out that their other daughter fucked a 40yr old woman,are you even understanding anything in the story,are you even an adult maybe not and just like others you totally ignore Jinjoo's thoughts and focus more on her actions,have you even tried to understand how desperate Jinjoo was because of all she went through in that apartment all alone,she even said she had sex with Doyeon to get her to like her and i feel like she ment like her enough to let her stay safe at her home and to be her friend.
About Gunwoo...i could careless about him...look kid people use sex as a distraction when they feel hurt sometimes and when Jinjoo said what she said to Morae it was to hurt her feelings and breakdown her confidence,Jinjoo was affected by Morae's actions and that slap in the face from,you think that slap didn't bother her well it did and her revenge was to fuck Doyeon to make herself feel better it's why she told Doyeon to penetrate her even if it hurts,she wanted to feel pain physically because Morae's words and actions hurt her at heart.Seems you don't know much about sex and why in different situations people have sex huh.
You literally could not care less about Doyeon. You’ve said as much before. You justify everything Jinjoo does and empathize with her completely. Anything and everything she does, whether wrong or right, is justified and makes sense to you but you will not even try to give the same consideration to Doyeon. The revelation that Jinjoo wanted Doyeon to “like her” only came a couple of chapters ago and it was a big reveal, this was after the chapter where we saw that Jinjoo was indeed emotionally manipulating and hurting Doyeon by putting all of the baggage and anger she acquired from her 20 year marriage and resentment towards her husband on Doyeon. Let’s not mention the possessiveness and the controlling tendencies she has. It wasn’t that she wanted her to like her, she thought that her body was the only thing she could offer and someone enjoying her body without regards to her comfort meant that she means something to them which is fucked up and really sucks and is sad and it is what she thought. It’s more complex than her just wanting Doyeon to “like her”. It’s where her proclivity for rough sex comes from. Anyways, I get it, you want Doyeon to be a one dimensional character, you want her to be a villain, you want her entire purpose as a character to serve Jinjoo, as a protector, a sex object to rid her of her pain, a pursuer, a lover, a user, whatever Jinjoo needs. She doesn’t have a personality or a story outside of Jinjoo. Of course, Jinjoo has one outside of Doyeon but Doyeon does not. And whatever Doyeon went through isn’t valid. You don’t care about Doyeon as a character. That’s fine man, I guess. And of course, Jinjoo is a perfect victim who has never done anything wrong, and even if she did it’s ok because her trauma justifies her behaviour.
Never have i said that i dislike Doyeon i have said that she's a bitch and an asshole and here's why i said it and i know you read why from my previous comments,Doyeon should have not fucked Jinjoo,even if Doyeon started having same sex dreams and attractions she was wrong to put that onto Jinjoo,Jinjoo was in an emotional,mental and physical bad state and she felt lost and abandoned and because of that ofcourse she would go into survival mode and do and say whatever it takes to make it through another day to be safe and not alone,so okay yeah she used her body and ok yeah she might have manipulated Doyeon a bit but Doyeon still opened the door for all that,that stupid ass should have talked to Jinjoo just like Jinjoo tried to talk to her about it when she sat Doyeon down and ask her if she like women or is it that she likes her.
Jinjoo was the one who tried talking about things more than Doyeon had tried,all Doyeon ever wanted was sex not to talk but sex then got all made saying she hates the fact that sex was on her mind all the time and as she fucked Jinjoo in the kitchen she was the one who asked Jinjoo if she thought about what happened that night a lot too and ofcourse Jinjoo said yes,that woman was just doing dishes and that asshole came home and fucked her without asking permission as if Jinjoo was her woman,look fact is Jinjoo was there in that house for safety and Doyeon made the whole thing about her desires do you even get that.....geez come on now......let me break it down a bit more for you in a scenario,woman goes to the police for help because her husband abuses her and then the police says i can help you and along the process of doing so the police fucks the woman then wants her to fall in love with him just cause he helped her out so what she does is do whatever he days because he's the safer choice or so she thinks until he realises she's using him and he gets all crazy on her...sighsss Doyeon is WRONG SO DARN WRONG man she is.
I said Doyeon needs to accept that she isn't a good person as much as she always thought she is and then she can work om herself i even said that in one of my comments and yes i feel like Jinjoo needs understanding because her whole life has been shitty while Doyeon has choices,she has opportunities while Jinjoo only knows how to be a loyal wife since out of highschool,Jinjoo said she never shinned as much as Doyeon at her age which ment she didn't live the life she should have which means she has a lot of regret.
I’m not sure why Doyeon being young and really being an excellent student by working very very hard (every character has confirmed this) means that she receives less empathy from you. I’m sure she has scholarships to go to vet school because she is literally their number 1 student academically, the only thing her adoptive parents help her with is housing and groceries, which is a huge fucking help but she didn’t have that help most of her life anyway and she’s always been an excellent student and hard worker. She isn’t a cop though, why are you holding her to the same standards as a cop? Once again, the minute she caught on feelings the only ethical thing she could have done was to kick Jinjoo out. And that would have been fine. Why? Because once again, Jinjoo is a 40 year old woman and not a teenager. She had other options. She was not trapped. Doyeon, the 24 year old college student (22 actually) was not her only option. I don’t know why Doyeon having choices and opportunities ( largely because of her hard work, would her adoptive parents chosen her if she was not an excellent student?) means that she has to be the perfect saviour to Jinjoo or be subservient to her. As if she is obligated to give some of her opportunities and freedom to her because she is young and has choices. That seems resentful and sad. Once again, Jinjoo still has choices to her because she isn’t a teenage child. She is a grown ass woman. Tell me the ch where Doyeon comes home and just does weird stuff to Jinjoo because Jinjoo did that weird terrible dominating stuff to Doyeon in ch 20 but in your eyes that was justified because Jinjoo is a helpless teenager with no other place to go and she can use this 22 year old for sex and that’s ok, OH WAIT, SHE ISNT, SHE IS A 40 YEAR OLD WOMAN. WHO HAS OPTIONS.
I can see you are all about defending Doyeon,guess you're the type to defend someone if they are your friend even if they did something wrong and i used the police reference because currently it's an actual case load i'm reviewing of which the policeman will have to pay dearly for,you know what,i feel like you so want to defend Doyeon about her age and talk about Jinjoo's age that you and even others clearly forgot that Jinjoo got married straight out of highschool,you never met a girl who lived as a married woman to an older guy i bet....i'll tell you,there's a woman in a domestic case that went unreported for many years,as a young girl of 14yrs her parents married her off to a 24yr old guy which is their cultural way,in an old pic that girl was seriously beautiful but when the case was finally picked up her beauty was gone,her face had many cuts and her body bruised and battered,when questioned they way she spoke it was as if her understanding and knowledge was not equal to her age but way below,fact us all she learnt is what her husband put in her head so when you say Jinjoo is a 40yr old and has or had OPTIONS,clearly you never dealt with a person like Jinjoo's character,Doyeon's problem is that she doesn't know how to form real connections with people and expect people to love her,she thinks just cause she does things for people warrants that they love while she doesn't allow anyone to truely know her because she keeps doing what she wants in her own way them gets mad if she doesn't get her way.
I bet Jinjoo eventually will create space between herself and Doyeon and try to figure out herself and who and what she wants,Jinjoo is introverted yet tries and Doyeon is extroverted and has a temper,selfish,needy and attention seeking,what did she think A FUCK or fucking Jinjoo would make Chanyang vanish or the fact that she's married,that asshole husband maynot just walk away and give his wife to Doyeon after 20yrs so yeah Doyeon is dululu for sure.
How tf does everyone think Doyeon is on the ASPD spectrum? Someone with ASPD would never self harm to punish themselves or feel guilt and punish themselves to somehow alleviate it. I also theorise Doyeon is demisexual since she could only feel sexually attracted to someone when she could form a deep emotional bond/connection and that’s why she could get attracted to Jinjoo in the first place. She was able to relate the deep loneliness she felt since her young childhood to Jinjoo’s weeping she heard every night. She saw her own deep loneliness in Jinjoo and therefore wanted to give her the comfort and love she never had, and that enabled her to finally deeply emotionally connect enough to have sexual attraction. I don’t think people with ASPD can be demisexual like this.
I sincerely would like to understand how this narrative of Doyeon having low empathy came about because I can’t see it at all. I’m convinced ppl who think that have only focused on Jinjoo as a character, maybe the main main character, and not on Doyeon at all. It’s crazy. Nothing about Doyeon shows low empathy, superficially or otherwise. Everyone is crazily focused on Jinjoo and her plight but literally no one extends that same understanding to Doyeon. I just don’t understand why. And the reluctance to admit that Jinjoo did use Doyeon and her feelings of love and devotion, and did indeed use her for sex. Jinjoo threw so much baggage on her, baggage of her marriage, her resentment towards her husband, her wanting to be rescued and when that didn’t happen perfectly, the betrayal and subsequent emotional punishment inflicted on Doyeon, and everyone forgets this is Doyeon’s first sexual experience, first love, she is naive, she is desperate, she did not have any control and she was out of her depth with an older woman, she was self harming more due to the stress, she was put in a state of more instability, she did beg Jinjoo to not reach out to her again for sex and Jinjoo had sex with her then and there.
At the core of Doyeon’s character is deep deep loneliness and sadness and a desperation of wanting to belong and truly be needed. This results in her perfect people pleaser superficial personality which makes her seem like an NPC with no needs. But that’s on purpose and her wants and needs were stored deep down within her because her wanting anything and not being actively helpful never got her close to truly mattering to someone, something she was shown and was reinforced time and again throughout her childhood. If she doesn’t want or need anything she also won’t have to contend with being disappointed and abandoned. Again. And here she is, perfect, without any flaws, trying to be indispensable to anyone but also keeping a distance between everyone.
LITERALLY omg omg like ppl r treating doyeon like a monster pls
That’s literal rape, what the fuck Doyeon, you disgusting piece of shit, there was no clear consent or enthusiastic consent, you can’t start touching someone and then ask if it’s ok and say you’ll only stop if they say a specific word when they are clearly uncomfortable, literally what the fuck
Yeah, its such a shame it went that route, its definitely going to be a tragedy story, I cant see a way they spin this scene to be anything other than a doom flag in the story.