Rosepainter's Topics (339)

Dafuq, there's 3 sexes now?

Lol there have always been more than two sexes lmao didn’t you ever heard XXY or XYY chromosomes? I mean it’s not like they were just invented but they don’t normally teach these things at schools...kinda sad

Once again yeah sure these aren’t the general public but there are still people that exist like this so why shouldn’t we just accept them as they are?

Those chromosomes you're talking about don't make up a new sex. They're genetic conditions in some cases pretty harmful for the person. And there are only two sexes female and male. If someone is born with both female and male reproductive organs it's called intersex, but that's it.

Tf are you on about?

The only people I've seen be problematic in this one are Yuu's parents and the head cook at Yuu's job. I haven't seen a single trans person in this manga yet and the only problematic female has been the mom.

Everyone else has been supportive so far. Even Yuu's boss was supportive and apologetic towards him after that one cook was talkin' shit.

Are we reading the same manga?

I think you've got it a little mixed up. Those chromosome combinations are genetic mutations that affect growth and development in males. What you're referring to is multiple genders. There have always only been 2 sexes (i.e. male and female) but a person can identify as being cis, binary, non-binary (I can go on and on really).

and this is where the science cry seriously and u say they don't teach these in school lol in my 30 years life i have never seen anybody who is soooo wrong but proud themselves for being smart damn girl please learn what u are talking about

Sexes and gender is a different thing. Op was and is right, there are more than two sex, biologically speaking, there are 5 sexes, maybe even more, and obviously there are many different genders, since gender is a social construction (=・ω・=)

I'm sorry, but that's total bullshit. What is it with people making up new definitions for everything these days? It's one thing to make a difference between gender and sex, but there are not magically new sexes in the world. There's male and female, intersex is a special case which does NOT make a new sex. Same for transgender, they are NOT a new sex.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/ https://www.nytimes.com/1993/03/12/opinion/how-many-sexes-are-there.html please read these if you have the time, intersex does count as a sex, it’s considered the third one, you denying it invalidates a lot people, because that’s not their gender, that’s their biological body, also, I never said transgender was a sex???

You are exactly correct intersexed and transgenderism isn't new. How ever if life started from a single cell intersexed bacteria. That is actually the first purist form of sex and ecosystem "visual" gender( referring to animal social interactions that are visually expressive using gender", thuse those the harsh environment and vast exposure to climate further mutated them. were we later end up with aka Cis Male and cis female.
How ever X is a chromosome standard in all life, so everyone starts as cis female( second mutationafter single cell bacteria), the y is a mutation that came later (a mutation of incest copulation between intersexed and cis female reproduction in early aquatic life forms. This process Created cis males who statistically live less then cis females due to that mutation (increased levels of testosterone, which are linked to higher metabolism, which contributes to higher mortality rates). Intersexed individuals may not be present as much as they were in the beginning but the played a huge role in starting life here. Xxy, xx, xy. Those are the most common three sets of chromosomes that has been observed.
trans women are women (not cis but are women) as an example they can reproduce, because they share a X chromosome that is a link to cis female cognitive development, secondary sex traits development, And social nesting aspects. This explains, why vaginal surgery and hormonal therapy are acceptable to the trans female bodies with out rejection. Because they share a X chromosome which produces estrogen. The process of highly skilled artists and doctors can reverse that process into a anatomically correct, visually idealized, sexually operative vagina.
Trans men don't have a y chromosome unless they are intersexed.
So there for at the moment, there are no surgeries that are being worked on to overcome rejection or help with reproduction. But from my point of view the logical way to fix that is through stem cell research. To harvest a organ from their body, there would be big challenges but it is possible.
Essentially cis men, are mutations of cis women, and cis women, are descendants of hereditary hermaphrodite bacteria. That is why as far as we know no foreign components make up intersexed chromosome patterns because it's a variation between xxy, examples including xyy, xxyy etc.
There is no making up a new sex when intersex beings still co exist with us. From homosapians to amphibians, to invertebrates, and mammals and insects.
Sex is a very complex thing from a non bias point of view. Also it is very much in a sense tied to social identity( old practice of adressing sex by visual standards) that has incased and halted most of the studies of these subjects.
because from a evolutionary perspective, sexes dont matter much when you can use a synthetic womb to host your baby with out even needing to be either 3 sexes.that is in the very far future, assuming mass ignorance doesn't get pedo right wing leaders who defund science because of private interest and religious beliefs.
Intersexed being technically are the perfect sex, because with in them lies diversity in reproduction, that will also play a big part in the future due to climate changes. Trans women and men are also valuable in a since because of reproduction diversity. Since cis men are to a degree partly female. Having testosterone and estrogen trans women who undergo there process can also give birth in a 82% birth rate. Unlike most cases of natal cis female birth at a 68% success rate. This difference is because of stamina, and highly monitored pregnancy and c-sections. The technology is already present and the studies are already there for you to Google. How ever alot of these methods are pushed harder because of right wing groups with private interest.

Sooooo let's summarize
Nothing is new, in fact the 3 sexes are actually more alike then different. With technology ushering in a evolution in our species, birth is not a sex specific function.
Any present homosapian cis, intersexed, cis female can have a child as long as you have a X chromosome. Or in the future far future with the use of technology reproduction diversity will extend beyond sexes almost completely, to the point that holding a fetus in the body is not even necessary and qualified nurses can monitor various outcomes of fetus development. For example, to exclude terminal health problems, or to even chose a sex of various forms this term is called "designer babies " and most likely will only be offered to high income individuals.
As for now technically what "science " your referring to has always been a discriminatory or outdated approach, science is a evolutionary field. Scientists once believed the earth was flat lol, they once thought that the planets revolved around the earth. The once thought cis, and transwomen were deformities of cis men lol, they once said that cis men were naturally smarter then cis,intersexed or transwomen because their skulls were bigger( has to do do with testosterone not intelligence). Even though we know different now thanks to ongoing observational data we have come a long way. But to simply ignore things because it doesn't make sense to you is a slap in the face to the process of science it's self. Science in it's true form is a ever ongoing study of knowledge it's a pursuit not a final verdict. When one door shuts another scientist comes and opens that door and turns on the lights to reveal a hall way of more doors.
Sexes and gender are different, but not that different if all of them can reproduce. The issue then becomes a social issue. And social issues are what scientists really should use to say something is fact. That is why you have so much problems with slower and slower integration of new technologies and findings. Because be will always when to say oh shit that's crazy, or the government defunds stuff it's a weird process but yeah.

I mean when I learned about those they were taught as sexes and it was like most common 6 sexes or something like that. Isn’t intersex a sex as well? And isn’t androgynous people another sex?

I was taught that those were all sexes as well and I guess it was something like most common 6 sexes or something but yeah I might be wrong but once again isn’t intersex a new sex as well?

Not new but another*

Lol I mean i was taught this at school but I might be wrong I just replied with what I knew as right but hey I might be wrong

the person from the original post is really knowledgeable and totally right but in super simple terms sex and gender are different, sex has to do with your biology, gender is a social construct and what you identify as.
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there are three sexes: male, female, and intersex (which appears differently sometimes and varies, a politically incorrect and outdated term for this would be hermaphrodite)
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there are countless genders: for example you can identify as gender non-binary/non-conforming and many cultures such as native american cultures believe in multiple (i think like 6-7) culturally specific genders within their societies

u literally so right lol, the way i see it is that the target audience for yaoi is women. i can't remember where i learned this but yaoi exists because women's sexualities were suppressed so women viewing pornographic material containing other women was highly frowned upon, idk why but yaoi was seen as more soacially acceptable, that's how the entire genre came to be. this being said i feel like trans women are constantly being reduced to stereotypes and made out to be jokes because there's no need for them be sexualized and they don't need to be appealing to women. they aren't what is being marketed towards the target audience, they're just background characters. it might also be something authors include in their works because its what has traditionally always been done, but i feel like originally, trans women were stripped of their womanhood purposely to make them less sexual because women being sexual is a no no. the blatant hate towards cis women makes less sense and might stem from similar sexist beliefs but idk that's just my interpretation.

Is anyone here NOT learning their biology from Tumblr?
Intersex is NOT a new sex - the name itself already states the people are born BETWEEN the two sexes. This has nothing to do with "invalidation", nearly every intersex person (which are very few in the world) lives as one or the other sex and takes supplements like hormones to change the body in one direction.
Androgynity as NOTHING to do with sex, it's purely visual. It can be a style, genetics or sth, but again, it has NOTHING to do with sex.
Gender is a bit of a religious belief these days so I won't argue about the number of genders, HOWEVER sex is a biological fact.

Factually wrong, the nativa tribes you describe never viewed these people as another gender. They simply were assigned another role in society due to their sexuality, but it was more in the form of making them outcasts. They never believed in a 3rd (or more) gender, that's a myth that has been making the rounds on the internet for ages though.

Your wrong, I just proved that, intersexed is the simple and only reason life on earth exists。I dont want to repeat myself because if you did not understand that explanation then you dont know much about what science is, and you are no different then those you believe the earth was flat, or that trans and cis women were deformities of men, they thought the that earth was the center of the solar system, and they thought the garden of eden was real, and cis male and cis female were the only humans that existed, they thought that people with down syndrome were demons. Science doesn't prove shit that is not the point of science, science is the continuous journey of finding new things, technology, life etc. I said you are right intersexed is not a new sex it is the oldest sex we have ever been able to measure. There is no certain time frame we can pinpoint when they appear. But life as you know it today is not with out the help of them. Mono reproduction happens to this day. If you admire science you would understand 100%. Just because you studied in high school about sex education doesn't mean they taught you college level theory. I my self am a intersexed woman that is why I studied this. Because people like you how zip shit knowledge about the subject from, history, biology, to eco importance and future reproduction diversity. Not every intersexed person wants to transition .
Sex and gender are only distinguishable by chromosomes but that means absolutely nothing! Those gender you mentioned as a religion which is highly ignorant to science can all reproduce.
Either by transplant, stem cell, or technology which does confirm that sex is more likely relative to gender then identity. When you read my passage fully you will understand that. If you have a issue with tumblr then get of that shit. I dont have any problems going bat to bad but at some point you have to understand I know more about this topic then you. Only 100 years ago did the board of science acknowledge and implement cis female studies as a valid biological difference from cis men. These are the same people you are learning from in high school. Where in college you have professional resources to teach you and discover whole new worlds of science. If you want to be disrespectful then just say so, but dont speak for the science community as a whole. Because we dont follow social morality of society.

Honey this man doesn't know Jack shit about this subject. He is just speaking out of ass. Like as if he does understand that the topic. The original comment was being with a trans woman doesn't make someone gay (which it doesn't) and being around gay cis, and trans men or lesbian cis, and trans women doesn't make you gay. Look were we are and look who your fighting with. I gave him literally decades of research and that is still not good enough. You at some point have to leave those who dont want to change to their own devices( I feel bad if they pass that on to their kids). I mean it is simple, sex and gender are different slightly but this shit wont matter 200 years from now. Reproduction is not a trait only cis females have, we will have to evolve beyond that if you want to survive climate changes. So remember that when arguing with ignorance, sometimes it's best to let crazy people talk then to have 2 crazy people talk. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

.....you literally think humans can reproduce asexually in the future? Calling me a flat-earther is kind of ironic now, imho. I know you probably feel REALLY high and mighty, but your gender studies degree has obviously not been able to teach you anything, let alone read and understand a single Wikipedia article.
You wall of text doesn't prove anything (except that maybe you have a bit too much time on your hands), everything you write is based on your opinion and hopes, not actual research. Also, don't start the whole sexist debate here (I'm a woman myself), I won't discredit men and their research just out of spite and because of their sex, like you obviously do.
An intersex person doesn't "transition", they just want to live a normal life, like most people do, which is why they usually take hormones. Nothing bad about that.
Also, very nice of you to think YOU of all people speak for the whole "science community" (whoever that is).
(And, for the last time - intersex LITERALLY means "between the two sexes". I understand not everyone had greek or latin in school, but for the love of god, stop spouting shit if you can't be arsed to google the most simple of words.)

no... i literally learned this shit in school also "all Native American societies acknowledged three to five gender roles: Female, male, Two Spirit female, Two Spirit male and transgendered." https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/two-spirits-one-heart-five-genders-9UH_xnbfVEWQHWkjNn0rQQ
that's just from a quick google, no one was outcast, they became outcasts when europeans started forcing their western norms on native americans
this isn't limited to native american cultures and occurs in countless other places, in india you have Hijra who are biological men at birth who transition and devote themselves to a goddess. their gender itself is referred to as hijra. they were originally viewed as holy in their countries but as a result of colonialism and westernization theyre now looked down on and many are known to resort to sex work. similar to what happened with native americans. so not factually wrong just give it a quick google .

intersex is its own sex but by definition appears as a variation of traits belonging to both male and female sexes. intersex correction surgery is actually a topic of controversy because many who are subjected to it as children later suffer from gender dysphoria, nowadays its actually becoming more common not to preform surgery or provide hormones to children and let them simply live as they so that if they want to transition to another sex they can make that decision for themselves (although many don't ever transition). while sex is a biological fact its not a binaryapnd its not a determinant of gender, its not just men and women, intersex is its own sex, not an in-between that needs to be changed to one or the other. and ur right about androgyny but gender isn't really religious?

ur right, u really types a whole thesis paper for this person and they're still confused lol

Why does everyone here think they are so clever? Of course I am "confused", most of what you write either isn't true or simply not very thoughful.

The native americans: I know the term Two-Spirited but even from your article, the only real definition I see fitting is transgender. I personally don't categorize transgender as a NEW gender, but rather as a person who wants to transition from one to the other. The majority of the transgender community feels the same about this.

In regards to Hijras (I'm happy you used them as an example) - they are men forced to live as women, due to their homosexuality. I know about the goddess and everything, but that doesn't change the fact that many of them are FORCED to live like that. It's not a choice and probably the best example for "being an outcast due to being different". I know there's this weird ideology of Indians being so open-minded in regards to sex and gender, but they are pretty much one of the most conservative people out there. "Hijras" are the result of most indian men not wanting a gay neighbour, so to speak.

In regards to the intersex operations - the main reason why parents do not wait until their children are older is due to the fact that it is MUCH easier for the body to change into one of either sexes at an early age. The older you get, the more issues will hormones will cause to their body. Additionally, no parent wants to subject their child to being that different, it might cause a myriad of mental issues if the child never feels like it belongs to either sex (like it or not, the world uses the binary). Also, intersex means "between the sexes", I lost count how many times I wrote that now.

In regards to my remark about the "religiousness" of gender - I know the theory of genders being potentially endless. However, part of taking this as a fact is actually believeing in it, which many people do not do. Like religion, everyone has to decide that for themselves.

ok im literally done after this but ur still thinking along the lines of gender binary, people aren't either men or women there are other options.
there are countless genders and that's what i was saying about native americans, the article i linked cites five genders that native americans believe in so you can't negate that statement because those are their literal beliefs. the fact you feel like two-spirit is just transgender and is therefore still either male or female makes no sense because there are FIVE genders.

hijra aren't forced to live like that, they are devotees and have only recently been persecuted as a result of western ideological expansion. historically they were very respected and honored. hijra is also officially recognized in india as its own gender.

also trans women are still women ur right, but they just happen to adhere to the gender binary, many genders don't. and that's also what i meant when i said sex is not a determinant of gender, your sex can be male but your gender can be female or other, once again sex and gender are two different things and should not be confused. you can argue up and down that intersex isn't its own sex (despite the SCIENTIFIC evidence you were provided with) but you cannot say there are only two genders, hijra and the various two spirit gender identities are all cultural and recognized genders but you also have non-cultural more common genders like gender non conformming, gender fluid, and agender.

Dont argue with aunt uneducated person dear. Just let them be, you give then the latest invitations and textbook knowledge and they still refuse to drink. Be better then them, this is the type of person is statistically hypocritical.
They barely know anything about science, history, biology, evolution, and theory. This person benefits from people like who study to prove that things are the way they are because nature is diverse the galaxy is diverse. That is beyond them, if you continue to respond to this cis woman they are gonna sound more stupid the more they talk about high school lvl education vs. Someone who has lived most of their life working with professors, attending seminars, keeping up with health boards of science, studying the technology, surgeries, world history, and learning 3 other languages to study abroad. To learn more then just shit you are fed in school. Statistically education in high school essentially in the west because I'm assuming this individual is from there. They were taught science from 120 years ago. My advice let the ignorant remain ignorant, they dont have literally clue how much of a laugh most people in the science community would have if they acuse me of being a cis man hater. When I literally just said the truth. (⊙…⊙ ) let stupid be stupid.

I am a cis intersexed woman watch your dam mouth before you speak about shit you don't understand, we dont take hormones because are body are unbalanced typically. Nature does that for us, you take hormones when you want to increase, fertility, secondary sex features, or are considering sex transition.
intersexed is someone of both sexes not "between"(●￣(ｴ)￣●), they are a organism that can mono reproduce. Homosapians lost that ability due to climate changes and evolution.
( in my opinion it is due to decreasing numbers in reproduction between intersexed mammals and cis female mammals.)

Your "normal" is a society norm, things are changing, the future due to climate change will slowly erase many gender barriers or social issues.

I am speaking on behalf of my 20 years of experience in the field that includes, the doctors, professors, individuals, colleagues, and theory of science. Your bullshit excuse of experience doesn't hold any weight to that other then your opinion which is shit to be honest. I am not a biased person I just tell shit like it is. I would rather show what science has found and state the case, then to those who think science from nearly 120 years ago still holds the same value to science in 2020 or 2340.

I never intentionally discriminated, that was you from the first comment you made wtf are you talking about.(⊙…⊙ )
If I assumed you were a cis man it was simply that your vibe comes off that way. I was referring to gender in the past history of science and the journey that it has been through as a practice. Gender mattered more then sex in the early stages of democracy. Those who (before treatment options) that fit into gender roles in society typically were treated one way or the other from history around the world. History shows that cis, intersexed and trans women were never treated for female health care because they thought all types of women where deformities of cis men. So for a intersexed women with menstrual problems that went to a priest for healing. He would cut her clitorious off because he thought it would trap her urges and cure her form. That is the difference vs now where we know sex is highly diverse, as well as gender. And speaking of the Roman's and Greeks you as a cis woman should know their treatment of any feminine individuals. Cis Women who were pregnant were forced to work in field because they believed them to be cis men. They were not allowed much civil rights because they were considered field workers and slaves. The cis women in stories you see like goddess were individuals who where related to each other so they could have a relatively easier life. Royal copulation

And yes to answer you simply any human organism with a X chromosome can give birth no matter the gender. Asexual is exactly how it sounds a FUCKING SEXUALITY not a gender (〜￣△￣)〜......... you can reproduce with out sex plants do it, amphibians do it lol.

Currently the only advancements in reproduction currently confirmed is for intersexed women, cis females, and trans woman. Because they all (depending on the genital at the time pursuing reproduction) have vaginas which is essential for monitoring the fetus. The current known methods being practiced are;

Stem cell- taking a tissue sample and by using laser therapy growing a organ from their DNA examples organs include uterus, and ovaries. This is a 100% body acceptance rate due to the fact it is your own natural organ. The baby comes to term and is born through c section. This is the current method being invested in for the near future.

Organ transplant- this has already been published and is proven through testing that it works.
As the name suggests taking a donor organ and transplanting into the body. The problem here is rejection and rejection drugs hurting the baby. The baby is born depending on vaginal strength of cis, intersexed or transwomen CAN be but not recommended vaginally so csection is still used here.

Last one I know of is future stuff 200 years+ most of those like myself who are in the know about this only know simple information but it is highly complex.

(To me in my unwanted opinion this is highly dangerous given the current climate were are socially. I know of it but I think it's a gateway darker subjects like planet population, social status, politics, and ethnicity)

Synthetic reproduction- this is the process of using a synthetic womb to grow a baby to term with out possibly being held in the body.
Nurses then can monitor the development of the fetus for terminal illness and or can motivate various forms of customized characteristics such as gender, hair color, skin color, eye color and sexuality. This option most likely will be very expensive due to the resources used. Russia is said to be working on this project ( I'm not surprised). This option is painless, as the pregnancy is carried outside the body thus eliminating gender and sex barriers. Pregnancy will be a preference between partners not something only trans, cis or intersexed women will be stuck with. The methods of of starting pregnancy were not mentioned so I going to guess a tissue, blood or DNA sample.

So I wont respond to anymore because one reason I dont find beating up on those more ignorant of me appealing. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
So enjoy your life and learn more lol.

Fisting irl can be extra dangerous thoo.
It can cause severe anal bleeding,inside bleeding,you can tear their anus and all of them may lead to long term hospitalization:)

I finished it a while back, apparently I gave it a 2 star rating lol. I saw the horse soooo I'm thinking it was some wild shit lol.

Ok girl you gon give him that full special just like that? On sight?

(⊙…⊙ ) you know it hairflips*