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But the problem most people have with Uncle Pan isn't WHY he did it, I think everyone can understand that but HOW (as far as I can see at least)! He knew about Qiu's feelings, he toyed with him and gave him hope, and willingly hurt him, Pan isn't that dense he knew exactly what he was doing, maybe he thought Qiu wouldn't get so hurt but he knew Qiu had feelings.

And the "straight at first" is something Uncle KNEW so he shouldn't have started anything to begin with.

If we wanna talk as adults then we should also aknowledge that Uncle Pan f*cked and was the one in the wrong here with the selfish way he dealt with things, no reason excuse him from entering this relationship knowing it was doomed.

He must have a reason, we know that he hurt qui's feelings but I know he has a reason for that either he is afraid and being selfish or what. Let's just wait for the next update

Uncle pan is not actually willingly hurt qui's feelings he dis it as an excuse. He is being careful entering in relationship again specially when he is older than qui. We know that he is fucked up in this chapter but like what I said he must have a reason for that. We think critically and just jump into conclusion. Usually it always happen when the character is afraid to enter in relationship or just protecting the person he love. I know qui is old enough for that but the point is it's uncle Pan's point of view to qui not our point of view to qui
Well let's just wait for the update. I know they we'll end up together

I know uncle pan knew about qui's being "straight at first" that may be one of the reason why he did it. It's not because he did it because qui is straight but my point is qui's surroundings used to see him as a straight person , his family, friends classmates etc. But what if they suddenly knew about uncle pan and qui's relationship? I know they gonna accept it but usually in a scene like this it takes time to accept them specially in family. They will face criticism and insults. Just like yuyang did to li huan he avoided him before cuz he don't wanna li huan experience those things.

Sorry if I sound rude, that's not my point but it's difficult online to not sound like it.

But the thing is that your first comment was pointing out how people couldn't use logic, must be young... when you're finding excuses for Uncle Pan.

As an adult or someone mature you should know that there is NO excuse for what he did, Qui didn't force him to be in the relationship, no one as the right to hurt someone else just to prove a point, no one as the right to hurt someone because they've been hurt.

NO reasons excuses crushing someone's heart.

I don't really follow your reasoning ?

We all suspect Uncle Pan's reasons, but Qiu didn't have anything to do with it so why is he the one hurting ? Hurting someone to protect them le yourself is an awful thing to do no matter what.

Uncle Pan shouldn't have started anything to begin with, that's all. All thèse problems were there from the start yet he still accepted the relationship.

Loving a character doesn't mean excusing him, of course I'll follow their progress and see Uncle's reasons but that doesn't mean we should brush off what he did until now (not saying I hate him but I clearly despise his behaviour)

I apologise if I sound rude specially in my first comment too. Yeah it's really hard to communicate in online I hope you won't miss understood me

I see your point I understand it clearly
Yeah, qui didn't force himself to be in relationship with uncle pan but as what as I see in the past chapters of qui and uncle pan. Qui is clearly forcing himself to uncle pan even though uncle pan is avoiding him at that chapters and then uncle pan suddenly accepted qui at that time cuz maybe he saw qui's feelings. ( pls don't miss understood me I love qui )." Yeah you are also right that no one should hurt someone because they've been hurt " ( I hope all like that too) but sometimes in order to protect their feelings or themselves afraid that the past will repeat again, they tend to hurt that person's feelings unconsciously. As you can see the last part uncle pan said something "he did stupid again" I really forget it but something like that

Haha no don't worry, it's just that sometimes when I re-read myself I think "wow I sound b*tchy and condescending" even though it wasn't my intent.

Oh ofc I'm not denying that Qiu was reallyyyy insistent and forceful (especially at the beggining) but as we saw with his ex or what he did in this chapter Uncle Pan knows how to kick someone out of his life or reject them, my problem is that he accepted Qiu AFTER Qiu got serious about him (he realized it when he saw his missed call history and the fact that Qiu was waiting for him while he was playing around with his ex) which means that he already somehow knew it wouldn't have a happy ending for Qiu. Qiu being too upfront after that was clearly because Uncle Pan wasn't even trying in the relationship so he had to do all the work (which should have made him take some distance instead of being clingy)

Of course I know and agree with this, but that's exactly why it still doesn't excuse Uncle's behavior, it will explain it (in the future I guess) but not excuse it. Even Huanwen noticed this and called Pan out about not being serious in his relationship with Qiu.

Now Uncle Pan is the only one who will have to work through everything... if he finally wants things to change.

Yeah that is why I am excited for the next chapter and wondering what he gonna do this time where qui is already done and hurt so much. Well let's just wait what he gonna do.

BTW thanks for sharing your opinion I really enjoy it

Yup that's the only thing to do for now, wait and see what the story will give us. And see the consequences of what happened, let's hope the author won't rush it and will deal with it in a proper way, let's trust them.

Thanks for being willing to have a discussion (it's quite difficult to have here since a lot of people refuse to accept an opinion different from theirs)

Sorry but Uncle Pan doesn't get an automatic pass because he's older and worried about the age gap. Yes, the gap is important and yes, he is right that it will affect their relationship. But that is not why people are mad at him. People are mad at him for playing with redhead's feelings. Redhead is not completely blameless as he also started this half-heartedly, but he's only 17/18. Uncle Pan is supposed to be the mature one, so why didn't he cut it off immediately? Instead he decides it'll be fun to play around with a kid. He was warned a few times already that messing with the kid waa a bad idea, but did he listen? No. Now he's seriously hurt someone who genuinely liked him.

people will totally blame Pan for everything now and called him the "bad guy" it is dumb and annoying, but that how people are it seemed. of course, they will blame EVERYTHING that is wrong with this relationship on Pan cause it easier to blame someone then see that both of them have issues and it both of them fault. redhead isn't a baby, it is also his fault too. so has much has I"m sad for them, I"m also happy that Pan finish it early instead of dragging it out for more years, it show how considerate he is of redhead and not himself.

And That's the problem here they just bash uncle pan for doing that to qui without knowing the uncle Pan's reason . I hope they will stop bashing uncle pan lol I know they gonna regret it when they know uncle Pan's reason for doing that . I am just upset cuz they keep bashing him, poor uncle pan and besides, if they want this manhwa to not end early theu should expect that there's gonna be a scene like that I know they already read a lot of manga, manhwa or manhua . It's gonna be boring if uncle will always just go with the flow with qui. This time they gonna face their problem and it's up to them if they gonna end up or not ( will obviously they gonna end up together)

Over all my point here is they should stop bashing if without knowing uncle Pan's side.
I know we have a freedom to express our emotions towards the characters but we should also know that we can actually adopt it in real life. It's like judging a person without knowing her/ his reason.

Let's set the record straight. Uncle Pan DID NOT end it. He was confronted by redhead and showed just how little interest he had in their relationship. He didn't end things like a reasonable adult. He continued to treat it like a game up until he saw redhead's tears.

Having a sad backstory doesn't automatically absolve him from being an asshole. Even if he was hurt in the past and is now scared to commit, playing around with other people's feelings is wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I don't think so that he is just playing qui's feelings. And having a sad past relationship can affect the present relationship, if he was scared then he has his reasons. I know he hurt qui's feelings but that makes them to realize each other and strengthen their relationship.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I strongly believe that Uncle Pan was only playing around with redhead. He clearly wasn't taking the boy seriously and just wanted to have him around because it was interesting. I look forward to seeing how the author redeems Uncle Pan.

he did end it, he told him clearly that he isn't into it. I guess you have a problem of reading. and if you actually pay attention, Pan told him from the start over and over again he will not take his shit seriously cause he have no reason to do so over someone that wants to play around for fun. and don't say it isn't true! redhead reason for going after was for playing around!
besides if a brat don't want to listen when someone told him he wasn't going to get serious, who fault is that?

that what I said in my comment as well, there is no guilty party here! both of them have their issues and reasons to do what they do, no one is bad here. but people are dumb and get bias a lot so we can't do much about that.
they think only redhead got hurt, what is wrong. both of them got hurt here, just cause we don't see Pan cry does not mean he isn't hurt or suffering alone inside. he is just good at hiding it.

I am glad you understand my point here and that's totally true I agree with you I hope they will stop bashing him

Well I can't force you if that's what you believe.
But for me I think uncle pan is not playing qui's emotion cuz if he does he will just ignore him from the start and that scene where qui cried as you can see uncle pan also hurt and regret for what he did to qui. You can say that he clearly wasn't taking qui seriously but don't you think it's too early for that? If that's gonna happen then where's the twist of their love story? And you can't just say it like uncle pan accepted qui cuz he find it interesting he accepted him cuz he saw qui's feelings towards him but the problem is maybe he is not still ready, and if you ask why he accepted him if he is still not ready, as you can see qui is being pushy to uncle pan he always do what he wants just to get uncle Pan's attention and that is why uncle pan saw qui's feelings.

Sounds like you are the one who has zero reading comprehension. Did you even read my comment? Where did Uncle Pan say let's end it after he accepted redhead's proposal (that he shouldn't have accepted in the first place)?? All he did in this chapter was act like an aloof ass until redhead burst into tears and left.

If you actually read any of my responses, you can see that I acknowledge that redhead started this out just wanting to play around. But Uncle Pan is freaking 38 years old. He KNOWS better than to mess with an 18 year old. Is he a horrible person? No, in fact, Uncle Pan was one of my favorites until he started "dating" redhead. But accepting the proposal of an 18 year old boy and continuing the relationship even after redhead has stated that he wants to take it seriously is an asshole move. That's why Uncle Pan - THE ACTUAL ADULT in the relationship - is being flamed. Because he is old enough to know better and he should've kept rejecting the boy if he had zero intentions to have a real relationship with him.

Well I mean, he's beautiful himself too, in an older and 'daddy' kind of way hahah

Dandy granddaddy and his beautiful uke!

I could've sworn that they mentioned the two of them are husbands before. Or am I dead ass wrong?

AHDJAGSJK THE SEME SAID IT LOL. He said something and then he said, "while your husband is here?" i cAN'T—

Oh Gawd I want to know more about their background but surely I want Ino to end up with him rather the husband or ajakshejsbdbsnjs I don't know anymore. The story will tell what there is to tell

Jaelal... REVEAL YOUR TRUE IDENTITY

Right?! I remember someone mentioning a husband haha

WTF NOW I AM MORE CURIOUS BUT IF THAT'S TRUE, I STILL WANNA END UP THAT OLD MAN WITH INO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE BOTH BEAUTIFUL UKESSSS
(づ￣ ³￣)づ

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