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Next u know it’s gonna be grass and air

Actually there are also some that do the same with sweets, drinks, some other crops and even shrimps. Quite amusing what stories can be told about a Popcorn senpai, Tequila bartender, Orange-kun, and many others.

It was never safe, carrot, cucumber, eggplants, etc....

It was never safe before too there alot of lewd looking vege... en food.

http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/beauty_and_the_brawn/uu/iur_chapter-4/pg-5/

Vegetables never had the chance since ancient times...XD

haha...lol...but unlike animals this is the first time i am seeing veggies drawn like...in human form(?).

MusSoap was the bessssst wasn't it!! LOL

The age of consent in japan is 13 so its legal

oh! i forgot abt that. makes sense-

Me too ╰( ^ o ^ )

Same(￣∇￣")

Σ(っ°Д °;)っ they better run

wtf is wrong with you? The story revolves around rape/seduction. It couldn't exist without it. keep your stupid hangups to yourself and have some respect for the author and for the time period when the really quality yaoi came from instead of catering to the worst, most puritanical generation of tasteless low-lifes that ever yaoi readers from 2015 had to put up with

Bruh- i just said that i still cant handle rape as a personal thing but i like the story- i didn't even say anything about the author-

liar. you said this: "what [was] the rape really necessary?"

ik- i said that as a statement for that i still cant handle rape- i like a rape coz its frictional but i felt like it was weird coz of the story-

bruh- 'a' again- i cant english anymore- bye-

just be a little more careful what you say. "was the rape really necessary?" will cause arguments.

I'm so shocked by that conversation what the hell?? My dude ur in EVERY right to think the rape thing is icky that's the norm TT

yes its true- rape is nasty but if its fictional so i dont care- this time i felt it was too off bcoz of the story- person here got too defensive abt it so i thought to not piss off random people on the internet- this is an illegal site anyways so nobody cares- i dont want to start any baseless arguments- its cool so dont worry abt it- (￣∇￣") haha-

Aw I actually agree with u on that too, especially in yaoi rape is rarely treated as the traumatic experience it is irl, I guess I was just shocked at the other person reaction and felt a bit bad for u ^﹏^'

It's not the "norm."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/norm ''a principle of right action binding upon the members of a group and serving to guide, control, or regulate proper and acceptable behavior'' rape is disgusting- its the NORM to think that- all these rape stories are not banned just because its fictional- and das why they get published and i'm ok with that because its fictional- unless you are trying to justify that rape is ok- stop getting so defensive about it-

you didn't say disgusting. you said icky. Plus, that definition of norm is substandard. You should get a real dictionary

Why is everyone pressed at your comment. It’s literally harmless

Exactly. There was no need for that dude to say "wtf is wrong with you?" cause there's nothing wrong with them not liking it. Istfg people are so emotional these days and they take everything to heart. If someone's not comfortable with it, OKAY, just leave.

Stop trynna pick a fight with everything they say. You're just being petty. You know what they mean now let it go

Bruh

Not you getting offended by someone not appreciating rape if you don’t think disliking rape is the norm then idk what to tell you girl bye

tell me you are a rapist, without telling me you are a rapist

literally omg

Where’s the lie..

VYIVHVGUGCUTV LITERALLYY!!

nothing but factssss

hey, you said good polite stuff. much appreciated

that's f'ckd up. You're nothing but a cult. NO one ever had all these squeemish problems and loudmouthed, hysterical complaints in 20 years of yaoi. The problem is not all the readers who came before. You're the problem, and the things you say and try to do are screwed up and unjust

Maybe because 20 years ago our society was plagued by a lot more inequality and oppression than we face in current year. Rape should never be romanticised or normalised in any form of media, and the fact that yaoi used to be so heavily centred around sexual abuse is just a testament to the time in which those stories were written: a time where people did not care about sexual assault to the degree that they do now. I’m not going to try and explain to you why rape is wrong, because the fact that you typed this up, proofread it, and still thought it was something worth commenting means that you yourself are deep in a “cult” of misogyny and blatant homophobia.

No. Rape is not “necessary” or “acceptable” and the fact that most people in current year are able to recognise that is a step in the right direction if we want to enact change. People like you, that see the denouncing of sexual abuse as “cult-like behaviour” and praise depictions of rape and abuse, are the reason I feel unsafe walking home by myself at night.

And just while I’m still here, I’ll take your low-hanging fruit of a troll comment on a ride.

I agree that this story revolves around rape and seduction. That is a fact. Most of the stories written by Mizukami Shin take place in a much earlier time period than the one we currently live in, so obviously, context matters. In the context of Imperial Japan, stories like these were a lot more common—those of visible power dynamics and abuse being present in relationships. So when you say that this story could not exist without the aspect of rape and seduction, I completely agree with that.

However, that fact does not justify the actions taking place. Regardless of what kind of historical context is behind this story, the act of rape and sexual abuse (or any kind of abuse for that matter), is never acceptable. As I said in my previous comment, I’m not going to sit here and explain to you why rape is wrong. I’m assuming you’re old enough to figure that out by yourself. Either way, the fact that you see the concept of consensual relationships as “puritanical” and “tasteless” truly makes me weep for you. I can’t imagine what it must be like to be so red-pilled that you cannot accept criticism about human-right abuse without getting offended. But I digress.

You say that we should have some respect for the author and not denounce their depiction of sexual abuse, and to that, I have a comment to make.

You can appreciate art while still acknowledging it’s flaws. As I mentioned, Mizukami Shin’s stories are inherently flawed because they show a dark side of relationships—those that are built on abuse. However, despite these “flaws”, I would still consider them art. I absolutely love this author, and most of their stories are ones that I truly cherish. This doesn’t mean that I cannot recognise that there are toxic behaviours being portrayed in them. On the contrary, if you truly want to be as pedantically “tasteful” as you’re making yourself sound, then I would assume that you would at least pretend like you’re giving the story some critical thought. But alas it seems like I am mistaken.

If you can’t read a story that depicts rape and abuse without critically thinking about what you’re reading, then I regret to inform you that you’re not viewing it as “art” but rather as a regular story that portrays rape, and you seem to have no problem with that. You accept it at face value without questioning WHY you’re appreciating the abuse taking place, so the only “cult-like” person here is unfortunately you.

Thank u so much for explaining!! I couldn't have put it more better- sometimes new young readers get the wrong idea through such art even tho the author never intended it...it's weird to see rape as tasteful...i tend to ignore rape coz there is some reality in it...but in the real world it only breaks lives than build relationships...Its sad...I think its not wrong to comment saying it's bad...but the person looked really agressive so I got scared and backed off...oop

Ummm ma’am, idk who’s gonna tell u but just because rape has been normalized in BL doesnt make it okay plz check yourself before u start advocating for things such as sexual assault.

Pop off kweeenn

Ma’am, you’ve gained a follower

No no no no....I didn't mean it like that...Its my feeling towards this perticular first comment...and tf I sound so old....I am young too...but just said that after I remembered ks romanticism....idk what iam talking abt anymore....

Oh god....I messed up again after ur reply after mine...aaaaaaaaaa

Our society? People of previous generations have been working for awareness, justice, and civil rights for the good of all. You have no right to pass judgement on people who have been striving for these things for far longer than you've been alive. What you said about them is reprehensible.

Dude I think you got the wrong idea. They were trying to say that 20 years ago, there were ALOT more inequality and oppression. They never undermined the previous generations hard work. Read the paragraph again.

How do you know anything about 20 years ago? 20 years ago the crime rate was less. Civil rights laws were already in place. The many benefits of the civil rights movement were coming to fruition. twenty years ago is not that long ago. Were you alive 20 yrs ago? The USA was at peace for the most part. There's more inequality and oppression now, and it keeps getting worse, taking us backwards with every passing day. don't believe me? Check out cancel culture, blm, antifa, the horrors of the stupid woke movement, riots, critical theory, safe spaces and tws. segregation, races pitted against other races. the snowflakes and all their pathetic bullsh*t. Leftist power grabs, stupid threats that the climate change will end the world in 12 years - scare tactics. This time period makes twenty years ago look like a cake walk. LOL

also why on earth are you jumping in and taking up Howl's cause? Is he weak?

this is wrong. yaoi was never centered around abuse. the rapes were 99% all about love and seduction, and those au's were fictional and had ZERO to do with the rape of female victims in RL.
I wouldn't call what you people do "caring" Rape is not wrong in fictional works. Wanting it to go away is a call for censorship. Don't you get that you're on the wrong side of the issue? seriously? You want to infringe artist's rights to such a degree that it's outright authoritarianism. No one is running around saying rape is not wrong. that's stupid.
The accusation itself is enough to get you hated for such slander.
You don't get to destroy other people's rights. You can't complain away the constitution. and you have no justice on your side.
Look, you, you don't have any right to tell the artists what's necessary and unnecessary in their art. If they think it's necessary, it's necessary, little hitler.
I've never once said that sexual abuse in RL shouldn't be denounced. this isn't real life. it's artistic expression. it's not your story. You have no right.

but mom........... ! lmao

I'm not a girl. stop assuming

I should report you for that

LOL! I'm starting to like you. such bravado. Try to lose the critical theory indoctrination you were raised with. What do you know about art? I'm thinking nothing. Look, it's a lot better to read the story as a whole without picking it apart. Are you here on a mission from god to clean up yaoi? churchlady?
You're loaded to the gills with jargon. my god. you're heavier than a dead priest. Do you have any ability to enjoy yourself?

LOL!! it's supposed to be romantic, stupid. "Rape should never be romanticised or normalised in any form of media,"
This isn't Law and Order Special Victim's Unit

d-do it, d-daddy ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Ugh shut up. You’re trying way too hard to defend yourself. Just say that you’re okay with rape being normalized and move on

You responded to 1 of my comments 3 times pls don’t obsess over me lmao

ok class so what did we learn here today? According to our local wiseman, raindragon, there was a lot more equality and way less oppression 20 years ago. Let''s ignore the fact that the metoo movement didn't start until 2006, which is 15 years ago, or the fact that BLM didn't start until 2013, which was 8 years ago. Oh wait sorry, I forgot that apparently BLM is a sign of oppression in 2021 :( according to raindragon at least. Remind me why we are even talking about race in a comment section about sexual abuse? Seems to me like you can't differentiate between different kinds of oppression. I guess in your defence, you did use the word snowflake unironically in 2021, so I should at least acknowledge the kind of person I'm talking to and cut you some slack, you poor soul.

What's more, TIL that critical theory is detrimental to our progression as a society, which totally doesn't sound at all counter-intuitive. Hope that isn't too scary of a thought though, since we're already so spooked by climate change! Are you gonna say that's a hoax too, or are you planning on breaking character?

literally this is actually getting ridiculous omg

You're straight up lying about some of the things I said, but I think it's so sweet of you to look all this up. LOL

goes both ways, darling

well omg. you guys are the ones keeping it going

Do you really want me to go into the BLM's bad shit? Wanna talk about the founder taking none of the donation money and spending it on BLM. She bought herself a 1.5 million dollar mansion. Oh, and that was after she'd bought herself 3 other homes. That's real oppression, making off with the donations that should have paid for a lot of ending of oppression. Want more? What about, instead of equality, they push equity, which is just plain evil. The way you look is what matters to them, not the content of your character. Did Martin Luther King die for nothing?
Thanks to Biden, rape victims must share shelters with men now. Any man who decides he's a woman today can go traumatize rape victims now, and they have to change for required daily showers in front of them. Dude, there was nothing like any of the above twenty years ago.
Look up what Critical Theory is before you go for my throat.

enemies to lovers pls

ma’am this is a yaoi manga comment section

Ma'am again

ok I’m actually done now like I think we should agree to disagree cause I’m getting kinda bored lol and I don’t think we’ll come to a mutual understanding. Nice talk but let’s just agree to disagree mate

@raindragon...sir, first of all stop assuming that everybody here is American. Second, this conversation would have never started if u were just polite and said this manga revolve around rape/seduction or whatever. There was no need for u to be so rude! Third, ur tone just shouts boomer...u may be older but it doesn't mean u r always 100% right...idk abt blm movement coz I am not American anyways...but the original comment was me not being comfortable with rape it dosent have ANYTHING to do with the artists right...I have read rape manga...I liked some...but it dosent mean I like all and that's it! Ik artists have rights but u DONT have a right to defend if we don't have the right to criticize...but again this comment had nothing to do with the artist. SO STOP ASSUMING AND ACT AS THE HERO FOR ARTIST FREEDOM OR SOMETHING...just in case clean ur boomer glasses and check I said ''what (was) the rape really nessesarry?? IDK MAYBE I STILL CANT HANDLE RAPE WELL ENOUGH I GUESS'' it's my friking personal opinion and LITERARY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARTISTS RIGHT...oof u r just beating around the bush with bringing blm etc here...it clearly shows u r at fault here....stop...I hope ur habit of assuming as u wish and beating around the bush gets better...I must say u have a wild imagination for unnecessary things...

I totally would have agreed with ur replies if my comment criticized the artists as a coward or they should die for making such things...but no...I did not say that...just coz u say rape is ok in media dosent mean everybody is comfortable with it...but insted of making us understand u choose to be rude and impolite... showing how immature u r...

Sorry abt my bad english just in case coz I am not American :)

I hate "ma'am" I'm not a "ma'am." How many times do I have to tell you to unmix your pronouns and titles. I not a woman. I don't even mind all the mistaken she's and hers, but I find ma'am disgusting. please stop calling me ma'am already :)

gosh, I thought we were "enemies to lovers" like you said. I'm hurt. LOL

sorry. I'm not a boomer. I'm only a few years older than the snowflakes. I like history and I have much older siblings. I don't like them maligned cuz they're good people. My frame of reference is USA so please pardon the references.
I acknowledge that my initial comment was too provocative. please pardon me.
I disagree. It's all about the artists and I do have the right to defend because you were ALL about the criticism. LOL
I'm glad to hear that you're open minded. Here's the rub: I hear this word "unnecessary" constantly. I'm reacting to that word because it's constant here, and it is about the artists because some people want to abolish all rape in this genre because it's "unnecessary" My claim is that it's up to the artists. If they think it's necessary, it's necessary. I'm saying it's up to them, not the fans.
believe it or not, it's been pleasant to talk with you. I don't mind rudeness or getting rudeness back.

okay, I see that you fixed that ma'am stuff so thanks

it wass old howler with the ma'ams. sam's not the one. again, pardon. LOL

This is what I'm talking about. The minute I'm nice, you guys have nothing nice to say. Why wouldn't someone hit you with the arguments if that's your behavior?

that's a meme, i wasn't calling you a ma'am. same with the girlie comment. it's internet lingo. just a meme

enermies to lovers yes but this lover does not want to argue anymore it's dragging on for too longgg

I do acknowledge that, regardless of whether or not these are memes, I apologise if at any point you did feel that I was misgendering you. That was not my intention, just tend to assume most people recognise "ma'am this is a wendy's" and "girlie pls" phrases. Maybe it's a generation thing. So yeah, I'm sorry if you felt misgendered, that was no my intention

Oh ..it's good to hear...but I can't with rudeness...I became a scaredy cat when someone is rude something... ╥﹏╥ ... sorry abt that...as for artists right...I am giving my perspective...abt things around me and my country...I think artists also have some responsibility coz there are some young uneducated people who are dilutional and think rape is ok (ie it was on my local news that some youngsters raped a girl after they watched porn...and it scares me)...coz art is a media and media is the largest influencer....I also disagree with people who want to abolish rape in genre coz there are people who I think u already know are called masochist and sadistics etc (idk if I spelled it right ╥﹏╥) who like these stuff...totally not against it ..but through such things...the once who have just bloomed get the wrong idea that if they rape people they will just accept it...so the problem that I see is the artists not telling the readers that its a work of mostly friction so they learn the right way insted of ruining lives...for that artists should give a proper visible note at the start which I don't see often...idk abt this perticular one idont remember the story much...and as for the ''necessary'' part of my original comment...I thought as story wise I felt It was not really needed if he could have just said ''I like u''...but sorry for the misunderstanding coz I don't have anything against the artist...in the end the problem here is art as a media of influence...even for the people who are trying to abolish it....is what I think....( And please don't be rude with anyone else coz there are people like me who are trying to understand and get scared easily and other people who can go lengths for their opinion ╥﹏╥ )

I'm sorry but I can't let this pass. It's not the job of artists to set a good example for society. There are many dedicated to providing appropriate materials for kids. Artists must remain separate. If not, they can't do what they do. They have to be free. History has demonstrated this many times. Under communism, art died. Take a look at the narrow range in which artists were forced to work. Uninspired collective farm illustrations... awful stuff.
I KEEP hearing this argument about artists having to be accountable for the example to young people. This argument is on its way to ruining the genre. Young underage people need to reduce their demands on this genre when they are here, irresponsibly ruining their own selves by being where it's illegal for them to be. Adults should NOT have to sacrifice this form of entertainment just because children look at it. That's totally unjust. Adults have a right to it. Children don't. Society should be sympathetic to the needs of adults as well as children.
Do you seriously believe that there has been no rudeness on your or the part of the many people here who literally ganged up against one commenter?
I don't think "I like you" would have conveyed the message. LOL I can't believe you do either. sorry

I dunno, sam, you seem plenty mature enough to handle whatever comes your way. You don't strike me as a fraidy cat.

Humm...makes sense... ofcourse the people who read are like 99% at fault most of the time...and I don't think our side was not rude either..yes...iam sorry abt that...I disagree for some of it but for now my point will revolve around artists atleast declaring it's a work of fiction and trying their best to make it safe if not changing their medium (I don't think they should change it actually) coz I donot trust our society and even adults.... I am have a long way to go for understanding this...I am not an adult yet (oop spoiler) but I am open...it was a nice conversation even tho the start was a mess...and as for the ruining the genre I reread this manga again...and a thing is also pedophile if not rape...it's something I don't think we actually need a genre like this...?...is it bad is a genre like this gets ruined and eradicated??

Thank you for that compliment...I don't hear it often...I appreciate that (●'◡'●)ﾉ

LITERALLY LMAO- This guy is a pisstake

you really can't put restrictions or make a rule about things being unnecessary. please believe me. artists have to be free. If there are restrictions you'll inhibit them. In other words, they'll just quit, which is one of the reasons society cuts them so much slack. art is different.
some artists draw what they draw because they are working out their pain over past events like abuse. Would you really want to make rules that prevent them from doing that?

Yeah sure...but romanticism of rape and pedophilia...and working out their pain and abuse...it dosent add up...as for restrictions...they are important in very aspect...from crime to raising a child... without restriction people will do whatever they want which can harm others...I think art work from someone that might excude their anger issues on and how it looks, someone depressed someone showing how they see their trauma its okay as long as it has a warning if its a bit more heavy...But some shouldn't even be shown to the public...

it does add up. if you ever spend any time among artists, I think you'd understand. To be an artist, is to use your license shock, offend, and be ahead of your time. I despise trigger warnings. It's adult material. Anyone who reads it needs to know that they might run into something they don't like. You don't see these stupid trigger warnings on tv shows or movies. Also, these works are for adults. It's adults who can handle it. Young people are probably too young and tender. It takes some growing up, but if you're young, you don't get any say whatsoever in what goes on among adults and the adult market. There's a reason why you're supposed to be 18 to read these works.
last, there's two types of people in the world imo. One type believes that there must be laws and rules or people will run wild and chaotic. The other type believes that they themselves don't need rules and laws hanigng over their heads in order to be good people.

Look, if you keep coming at an artist about their rights and what art is about, you're going to keep getting told these things. Who is allowed to dictate to artists? Artists only. That's how it is. You won't change the world of art by continuing to come up with reasons why artists should do things. Might as well tell birds not to fly.

I am almost an adult so I won't say I don't have a say...coz I form my base for opinion as a near future adult right now...becoz i don't wanna set my opinions on impulse when I became an adult...but anyways I thought abt it...too much that I don't remember things from the anime I was watching...Ig I understand what u r saying now...I will let u win on this one...

And I find it quite amusing to talk to someone with totally opposite views than my surroundings...

Wtf was this whole conversation

Idk...trying to understand ppl?? Something I just dragged on coz I had nothing else to do?? Maybe?

LMAO I agree with you tho