masticatious's Topics (137)

Not really, she just heard about the king wanting to kill them before they were even born so as in her shoes you'd be thinking all bad stuff and wanting to get out of that place to the point she didn't think about what Arjen was thinking, Arjen is pretty level headed in this bcuz it seems he's always been thinking of the worse while she's not so knowing those facts she got carried emotionally, I guess

" Arjen is pretty level headed in this bcuz it seems he's always been thinking of the worse "
being unnecessarily negative/cynical doesnt always imply more maturity or intellect in a person either, traits people often conflate together.

cant really be helped if she was negative, although they both started out blaming their emperor, it was clear arien was still curious in learning what kind of person their father was, being more open and receptive, she was probably more hurt/disappointed when the truth was revealed. this doesnt make her less mature then arjen it just makes her human lmao

arien seems more of the extroverted type

It's called Second Male Lead Syndrome that most of us have

I think it makes sense since they died as teenagers and were abused since they were reborn babies. Any abuse for a long enough time period can leave lasting emotional scars no matter the age, so the lack of trust is totally reasonable in this situation.

totally agree with you! I know people who've gone through that when they're adults. Anyone would close themselves if this were to happen to them.

for me why I dont like them as reincarnated is because their motivations doesnt make sense. A child getting abused and a teen or young adult getting abused will give different reactions. If they are just children, it alligns with their motivations of being unloved and seeking love and also alligns with their impulsive emotions. But the same thing does make sense if they actually are 25 year old inside. Yes they will helpless as abused 5 year olds, but with the knowledge of their past, the families they had, them knowing that they have at least the maturity and skills to survive on their own when they grow up... it doesnt make sense for them to care enough to cry about being illegitimate or when kids call them illegitimate. It also doesnt make sense that they want a caretaker figure like 2 little kids with no self identity... Their first priority would have been to grow up and just leave. Even Sanghee got that part right. Thats the appeal of isekai, which is our MCs dealing with the situation in an adult way that no one expects. Realistically speaking, the twins would not give a single shit that the king is their father or that they are illegitimate since they already knew what loving family was like and already have built up their own self esteem and identity. I think author tried to juggle two things at once. Make it trendy by making it isekai, but also make it sad and angsty by making them helpless emotional babies wanting to feel loved

they really should have just left out that pesky reincarnation premise. it holds no relevance to the plot, it could just as easily NOT be there and the story would be the exact same.

I dont wanna read a story about two kids who are mentally 25 behaving like clingy needy children. it defeats the point

I would say you are comparing this to isekais where the reincarnation was already an adult and was independent. They died as children without any life experience and even in their past life they relied on each other for emotional stability. Like I said before, anyone would cry or close themselves off after not only dying, but being put through physical and verbal abuse since they were reincarnated as babies. If they weren't reincarnated and had hopes of the future, do you really think they would have survived to the age of five?

Do you honestly think a toddler, who doesn't have any shown magical powers and doesn't manifest like the other princes, would survive being physically and verbally abused and tortured by their own mother? Not to mention neglected and malnourished? You need a reality check if you can say without a doubt in your mind that reincarnating didn't secure their survival.

that defeats the point of isekai doesnt it. You basically explained why having isekai in here is already unnecessary. They had life experiences till 18 where they at least had memories of family, being loved and you know, any skills that 18 year olds had.

If they weren't reincarnated and had hopes of the future, do you really think they would have survived to the age of five?

Uhhh yes??? Thats why the story works better if they are actually 5. And I just pretend they actually are 5 (well, alot of us do if you see other comments. If they were actually 18 years old, they wouldnt exactly want anything to do with the royal family, not enough to give a shit about being illegitimate and waterworks everywhere about how unloved they were. Just look at Sanghee or Athy as a template. Even tho I hate Sanghee in the later series, her isekai childhood was still memorable and makes sense to read.

Here, author tried to make it hip and trendy by adding in isekai, but also wants to up the drama about them being helpless children yearning for love... and forgetting that they are already mentally 25 that already have had parents, friends, loved ones before.

"Do you honestly think a toddler, who doesn't have any shown magical powers and doesn't manifest like the other princes, would survive being physically and verbally abused and tortured by their own mother?" kids who have grown up in such environments like that already exist in our world today (happens all the time) naturally without any special powers (lol) they grow up with a lot of issues of course, but they DO survive.

Rather to start off if we are getting all technical about it, It's unrealistic they would act any differently from a toddler just because they were reincarnated. Their brains still have to physically develop and grow, dont they? that means they would be forced to re-learn how to walk, read, and speak and not shit their pants all over again. even their emotions wouldn't be very balanced because of all the psychological changes children's bodies are constantly going through while still in the growing phase. reincarnation isekei's often brush over all of this explanation with "it's magic, who cares?" its no different then if they had not been reincarnated at all.

the tag is pointless outside of just appealing to certain demographic of consumers, to make money. Listen, you can make excuses for the inconsistencies in the writing all you want for yourself, but dont go getting passive aggressive and attacking others over fiction ╮(￣▽￣)╭ geez.

What would having mental issues and trauma contribute to the story then? They would live their lives in constant fear of everything and everyone, especially the emperor and the princes. Not to mention the sicknesses that would come with the lack of mental stability. There would be no progress, they would not accept help, they wouldn't trust others, and they would be far behind everyone else of their age in culture and intelligence. They would even be suicidal, believing in everything they were told for five years since they were born. The extensive therapy they would need isn't even present in the story, which helps children in real life cope but not get over their trauma.

And they did act like their age, but mentally they are older than they seem. Just because the physical aspect of them is different doesn't mean it's changed their psychological base in the story. You act like giving them a boost in mental fortitude and knowledge is a flaw in the story. It's not. And if you hate the aspect so much, just don't bother to read it.

They literally died. They don't have those friends and family anymore. And now they're brought into a world as helpless babies being abused in a situation where there isn't any more love. Do you not realize humans spend their entire lives seeking comfort and love from others?

Comparing the twins to Sanghee is unreasonable. She died as an adult, and wasn't even closed to being as abused as they were. And neither was Athy, who was neglected but still knew the storyline and what was happening. The twins were physically abused. Physically. Abused. They couldn't leave yet because where would they go as toddlers? There's no reasoning with their mother because she's literally crazy, and they couldn't see their father because they had no access and he didn't want to see them. Their only options were to either wait until they were old enough to make it out and actually survive, which they could do since they actually knew about the outside world, or they would have to wait until their mother died and be killed or taken in by the emperor.

"You act like giving them a boost in mental fortitude and knowledge is a flaw in the story"
it's the lazy execution of how this was handled that I consider a "flaw" it seems like the author just wanted to slap a isekai/reincarnation tag on their work but didn't really care about how it would fit into the story, and this is a common trend I see in a lot of other isekai's not just this one. for instance past lives being brought up once in the promo and then never being talked about it again? I rarely see an mc struggling (being in denial) with having to accept living in some foreign world or feeling homesick. they all just quickly accept the nature of their circumstances (their own death, having to live with a different identity ect ect ) and are content living out the rest of their livelihoods in that world. they never seek a way of returning and they also never tell anyone their real identity. the story tells us to care about this information that they are basically interlopers from another world.. but it all feels shallow when there are no consequences and it doesnt effect how the MC's act or how people of that world SEE them.

if you introduce a plot point, it should always matter and play an important role; and thats the thing, I just don't get the impression them being adults is very important aspect at all. it doesnt add anything to the story.

criticism doesnt mean you automatically dislike something. rather it's how poorly the reincarnation tag is so often applied that bothers me, not even the webtoon itself. I hope expressed myself a bit better..

"What would having mental issues and trauma contribute to the story then?'
I'm not expecting them to be impervious to everything, I'm just expecting them to have better judgment in certain situations to reflect that supposed 'maturity'

agreed.

Me too

and funnily enough they dont seem to have the self awareness to realize they are acting just like the characters they would otherwise be criticizing in different story xD

has other comment said: everyone is entitled to their opinions
LIVE WITH IT

yes so people should probably stop telling the people sharing them to "shut up" ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

yeas so you should stop going around attacking others for not liking the characters you like, like in this post.

this a platform meant for sharing commentary on the story and characters. telling everyone to shut up is kind of redundant, just saying. they obviously seem kind of biased too as I dont see them criticizing those being unnecessarily hateful towards people who like the characters.

the same I can say about masticatious main post - judging and telling everyone they "misogynistic" just cause they don't like characters they like is even dumber! let people have their own opinions and move on.
they have any right to not like this character, it just fiction for god sake! I don't get what they so mad and hate about ╮(￣▽￣)╭ it just a fictional character.
they are more biased then everyone you claim that is biased if they can't deal with different opinions on fictional characters without cursing them and calling them names.

I think they called these people misogynistic because of all the negative feedback focused on jennette for being naive, innocent and basically a girl. tbf I dont see them judging the male characters as harshly in these type of stories as they do the female characters so its not like I cant understand where they are coming from

In any case whether you like or dislike a character I think its best to express yourself respectfully while being mindful of how other people may feel about what your typing. there are fans who like Jennette and they are free to defend said character when a comment comes along that off particularly unfair or cherry picks certain events or behaviors of her character to influence others into also hating on said character. Likewise people shouldn't be hostile to you just for saying you dont like the character (if thats all you said) they my not agree with your reasons but they cant control your feelings

if any conclusion hasn't been met, it's best to just agree to disagree and things in more or less a civil manner.

I think the fact you say " its best to express yourself respectfully" while support someone that called everyone that doesn't like a fictional character misogynistic is a very funny way to contradict yourself. they do not express it in any respect manner for others why should I respect them?

and yeas people have any right to hate her for any reason they choose cause again it is fiction and not been called names or being judge for it has people. it has nothing to do with reality anyway!

it has nothing to do with liking the character or not, calling other people names like misogynistic for hating a fictional character is disrespectful and dumb and very childish. that all it is really ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I didn't contradict myself though? just gave my best guess on why I think they said that. I didn't say they were right in the way they went about it, I'm not accountable for them.

and that whole "its just fiction" argument?
I could just as easily ask you why care enough to hate a fictional character if they aren't real? why expend that much emotional energy on it? probably the same reason people are getting so upset defending said characters, because they are invested in them.

yes people can hate a character for whatever but it's other people who judge whether those reasons are really justified or not based on their own standards. if they dont think your reasons are very good, they can (in a civil manner of course) debate and justify their own reasons for not agreeing with you I suppose. Not that hard to understand.

they can debate and justify their own reasons, of course, but they have no right to be rude and call people names they don't even know! that just dumb and childish like I already said.

and people invest and upset in a fictional character is not anything new for people. it started long ago in history and has much people will say it is pointless, it helps people to deal with things they can't in real life and more than that, it does not matter for this discussion but you welcome to read the research people did about it.
my argument about it been fiction is that you can't judge people only cause they like this fictional character, it does not reflect in any way, shape, or form who they are in reality and real-life so they have no right to make this judgment. they can only agree or disagree base on what they think is "true".