Apostle of Pure Hatred's Topics (260)

It's not but I think the pacing is out of whack though lol too fast from one trope to another

Agree 100% even fan translation is fine!

Do you have them? I can't wait any longer

here you go
https://newtoki350.com/webtoon/28583796/%EA%B0%9C%EB%82%98%EB%A6%AC%EA%B0%80-%EB%96%A8%EC%96%B4%EC%A7%84-%EA%B8%B8?page=3&toon=BL%2FGL

Thank you

No problem ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

From the raws you've seen is there any rape in this I'm worried to read them tbh

No it is super cute

I checked anyway..... maybe you haven't finished them yet but.... yhhhh

Dude what’s that supposed to mean!!!!

There is multiple very disgusting sa scenes done by that older "brother"

It has 2 semes. The tattooed guy and the other guy. The uke ends up with the other guy

Thanks I honestly can't enjoy a copule's happiness while there's another guy being miserable so am not gonna read

Well the other seme is piece of garbage and also the story has very triggering themes so be prepared if u read it

And also it has happy ending

So the mc doesnt like the 2nd ml ? Is it like one sided ?

I know right???!!! But there’s always the novel

I think the problem with the knowing she was there can be seen as a minor detail, but in actualality can be a big detail, for instance me saying something on the spur of the moment when the person in question isn't there, knowing it won't lead to consequences because they won't know and I never told them versus saying it for them to hear for them to know my actual feelings and this isn't something I said because they weren't there and it won't come back to bite me, he knew she was there, he said it cause he meant every word and he WANTED her to know that despite her being a child, I think that's the difference for her, then he actually lied as if to say "wait you heard that?" Acting as if she wasn't meant to when he clearly did cuz now he knows he fucked up, which it's fine to fuck up, but to purposely say that to a child is what crosses a line, instead of them accidentally or not hearing it all. Everything else you said I don't really have any opinions about, but I respect that you are a "phil hater" she can definitely be interpreted that was as this is just a story.

Ahh although if I was brought back to that palace again after running away basically after being hunted down, I would honestly abuse the power of a"guest" and the emperor's feelings, like I ran away for a reason and you brought me back, it's your fault if I do somd selfish shit, I didn't even wanna be here and you keep trying to prolong my stay, so i take you you don't care what i do, as princess she couldn't reallu say what she really wanted for fear of being hated again, so now she is a spoiled guest with vip privileges, but thats just how I would act, like a true spoiled villian for a bit of revenge hahaha. But I get your frustration in her roundabout ways that are kinda being masked as good, in a way.

Ah also I feel she forgave him on the context of being in the spur moment, not for being an asshole so it kinda revoke the apology if the apology was for something else, like I forgive someone for accident hitting my car then come to find out they did that shit on purpose, that brings about more questions as to why and now you are just a shit person who didn't deserve my forgiveness

I do get what you mean. Obviously it's a lot more hurtful when they know you're there than when not. However, that would be for when you're already aware that they knew, thus you're entitled to act however you want. I'm honestly tired after reapeating this a thousand times, but after he had already apologized in many various ways and she'd accepted it, it's so dumb to react the way she did. I'm not saying she shouldn't have gotten hurt at all, but by then she definitely knew that the emperor loved her as a daughter and there was no way he wasn't drowning in guilt already.
Also more than him meaning every word, I think at the time he genuinely did not care. He didn't even hate or dislike her, he only found her a bother.
Tbf he didn't exactly lie, he'd wanted to confess to her that he had heard her at the time many times, it's just that he was interrupted every single time. (typical korean author logic) And if we're gonna use Phill's childhood to excuse her being frustrating 100% of the time, I think we can cut the emperor some slack as well. The guy dealt with assassins at the ripe age of 9... He never had anyone to teach him how to love, except for his wife who died giving birth to a child that not only looked nothing like either of them, but also kept making trouble for everyone everyday. I think anyone in his shoes wouldn't be able to stand it. If you look at it from this perspective, he actually treated her way better than lots of other manhwa fathers who somehow don't get as much hate.

Tbh I would do a lot of things differently if I were her, but the thing is the story isn't about us, it's about Phill. When her whole personality is "I wanna leave the palace" then she should anything to do so. Let's not forget the literal Archmage is her fucking father. She could've left anytime she wanted (and her bio family would love that as well) but she kept saying shit like "I need to find the truth" which is understandable but she could definitely do it outside of the palace as well.
You explained it perfectly, it would've been fine if she made mistakes and admitted it. But she has this very arrogant vibe to her that made me wanna pull my hair. She whole heartedly believed everything she did was correct even though she was proven otherwise so many times.

I don't really agree with you, since the emperor proved himself to be deeply sorry and regretful about what he did, and there's no way she hadn't realized that the emperor is not a bad person at all, he's just had his own circumstances. I feel bad everytime I see people mentioning "Phill had such a traumatic childhood she's so strong" when she isn't like that at all!! All the credit should go to the emperor for managing to become the best father he could for the sake of his (at the time) child even though he's been through much much more than Phill in his whole life. And Phill has so many people to rely on (her father, brothers, Nassar, some NPC friends and so on) but the emperor literally had her only, and a child who was possessed by another soul. To leave him like that to deal with it himself is just so selfish in my opinion.

Writing small points in hopes that my answers arent gonna be too long for all of our sakes (=・ω・=);
I haven't read the novel, so I am going to use the knowledge I have from the manga, but at this moment the emperor hasn't really apologized THAT much. I also believe that a few spoken apologies aren't enough when you've given your child trauma.I also agree with Bleurgh, finding out that he said these things to her on purpose and wanted her to hear it, changes things. It's not him saying it because he's tired, annoyed, or irritated, it's him saying it because he WANTS her to hear this and WANTS to hurt her. It's different, and anyone would be angry in that kind of situation."The guy dealt with assassins at the ripe age of 9…", is a bad excuse when talking about him being forgiven. Her father's trauma or problems have nothing to do with her, and even if we do measure them, and say he had more problems than her when she was his age, that's not an excuse to project his emotions from his issues onto her. "The child that looked nothing like either of them", ??? What does a child's appearance have to do with you caring for them? He's not the goddess Hera, if I find out that someone stopped caring for their child and emotionally neglected them because they 'looked nothing like them', then I would lose all respect for them, and avoid talking to them.

I found 3 reasons for her staying in the palace:The emperor begged her to stay, and since she was so confused and tired, she agreed, thinking that a few months wasn't that long (however long she is staying, don't remember). I remember her thinking (the manga) that she shouldn't have agreed after sorting out all her thoughts.The people she loved were there, and they all wanted her to stay for at least a little bit longer. She basically grew up with them, and from my point of view, she loved and trusted them more than the emperor. Her maid, butler, and fiance, grew up with them for YEARS and formed close bonds, and if I remember correctly, that is the reason she stayed after thinking "I shouldn't have accepted the emperor's offer".You might think it's bullshit, but her reason for staying to uncover Elincia's secret isn't. When a book prophesizing the future tells you that Elincia is a carefree, kind, and loving angel of a saint, suddenly seems to throw shade your way, and change her whole attitude that even her own mother found weird and creepy, anyone would be suspicious. It's not the main reason (I think) for her staying, but it is still one. Also using Penelope as an example isn't right, her situation was different, she was in a hostile environment, with her brother hating her, her sister almost poisoning her, and Eclis being a bitch. She saw a better way out, and she took it like any of us would.(P.S., She might not feel comfortable leaving with the archmage yet, because she barely knows him and his sons. Again, all her friends and 'family' are here in the empire. I assume from her actions, that she is just using the time she has to say her final and better goodbyes before leaving after the deadline. Again, I only use the knowledge I have from the manga, her personality might not align with the one in the novel/translation.) 

I'm not gonna reply to other things because I think I explained myself enough already if you don't wanna get it let's just agree to disagree. But what I meant by "a child who doesn't look like either of them" is that the whole reason the emperor was under a lot of pressure in the novel when Phill was born, was her appearance. People kept telling him she's not like him at all and she doesn't have mana as well so she shouldn't become his heir. And Phill wasn't exactly helping her case being such an annoying daughter. This plus the fact that he had lost the only support he had in his life (his wife) he wasn't in the best mental state. Idk why yall can excuse anything the female lead does so easily but when it comes to other characters suddenly they can't have any flaws. Anyways, Phill's personality isn't exactly much different in the novel it's just there are a Lot more details which made her appear quite hypocritical (to me at least)

Am sorry if I misunderstood anything, since I have no knowledge of the novel, but Phil being 'annoying' might be a sign of the emotional neglect she has from being ignored by her father. This has apperantly led to her throwing tantrums or being 'annoying' to get attention, even if it is negative (Especially if she sees that its effective).
(Not sure when you think she was annoying but) she also wasnt raised very well by anyone tbh, especially her nanny. She realised that she will die in around 10 years, and found out that the people she loved (knight, maids, nanny) hate, her and already think she is a fake. Again, she had no one she could trust or that cared about her in the palace when she was 9, and though it might not rival the emperors childhood, I do think it shaped her, and her personality by a lot.
(Am sorry if am wasting your time, but could you write the things she did that you found annoying? Just curious, and its okay if you dont (▰˘◡˘▰))

Ahhh I see nowww you are looking at the emperor as an individual who is father too and we are looking at the emperor as just a father. As a person we make mistakes and him as a person was quite shitty and had his own circumstances and deserves slack, but when you have a child your mistakes matter whether you like it or not because the affect and shape aniyher human being just like his childhood affected and shaped him, he has a responsibility and fucked it up and made a child act for basically her whole life as someone else, she did not see his good parenting because as soon as he was a good parent it was because she had already changed who she was to survive, trying to be an adult at only 10, which lets be honest was the catalyst in seeing her in a different light, she had to conform to her parents mood, personality, and walk on egshells to get him to like her, instead of him actually being a parent it's almost like she was raising him to be a parent

I see where you coming from and honestly I think it just boils down to a difference of opinion, to me there his circumstances affected the growth of a child his actions did that, it's different when you are a parent and you are just testing the waters, to phil he was probably just not sure what to do and said something like that in front of an adult but learning that he didn't even want to learn or be bothered with her to the point of actually telling her is a problem, he may be regretted it and she saw that, but to her for the context of purposely saying it and affecting her whole life, that regret for that action wasn't enough for the context, she forgave him for an accident/not being a good parent off the bat not the humiliation and assholesery. (Also he did lie, him saying "you heard that" instead of saying I knew you were there" is the lie him trying to tell the truth after doesn't mean he didn't lie, it's on him for not owning up to it after that, he had a chance he just was too guilty to own up to it at that moment, which I also understand, but it's still a lie.

TLDR: Even after posting all this I didn't say it to change your mind or anything, it was to say that we see the characters in different ways and thus our thinking is also different, and honestly from your perspective I COMPLETELY Understand the frustration especially when she forgave him and now it's seems she just took it back for laughs especially with his own guilt and apologies being rescended, it would feel completely shitty to that character, sooooo from your perspective your opinion is hella valid and I don't see why others need to argue about it since its not like you aren't making any sense

They're not excusing anything; they're just explaining why she acted the way she did. No one is saying what she did was okay—it's just that stuff happened, and that's basically it.

The emperor knowing she was there when he said what he said might seem like a small detail but to her is (rightfully) a big deal because it makes her sad childhood hurt even more.

He fucked up yes, but in a way he is still her father as she literally grew up with him since birth. So, yeah, can't ignore him like he is a 100% stranger.

He is the one who insist she stays and be treated like a princess because he never stopped considering her his daughter, she deserves to be greedy and spoiled by him.

I usually hate a plot or character but I keep reading because it's a guilty pleasure, but if a novel/manhwa is making you THIS angry it might be better to just skip it :D

I'm saying this with all the respect in the world, even if you apologize, you are not entitled to forgiveness. A person may regret what they did a million times, but the fact is they still did something that hurt someone else deeply, forgiveness is a privilege, not a right.

This is one of the few FL that I actually like particularly because she is a don't forgive don't forget type of person. And let's not forget that she remembers her past life, so that's just an added burden to whatever she is feeling now.

Forgiveness is a tall order when the very thing that shaped her insecurity and identity stems from a moment when the Emperor knew it would hurt her by hearing what he said. A child heard her father say she was better off dead. Yes he regretted it eventually but MC is not required to make him feel better by forgiving him for the hurt she went through ALL HER FORMATIVE YEARS.

To be fair, she might have forgiven him if she she hadn't met her real dad and fam. I think it's thanks to their treatment of her that she realized that she deserved better. And if not forgiving the Emperor was her way of a better life for herself, so be it.

GUYS, what I'm saying isn't she SHOULD have forgiven him. wjjfjwd I don't know how to explain this. Look the dad said something bad, and he knew she was behind the door. I'm saying why is she SEPARATING these two matters and having a fight TWICE. She had almost forgiven him towards the end and even wanted to stay in the palace, but then she realized he knew and threw another tantrum. If she hadn't forgiven him from the start I wouldn't say anything, because the main point was him saying those words. But she kept using him and his privileges as the king towards the end, to the point of being manipulative even!! Then managed to find a shitty excuse to never talk to him again. If she was oh so hurt that she couldn't forgive him she shouldn't have done it from the start, epecially after EVERYTHING he did. It doesn't make ANY sense. Your dad says something very hurtful, he apologises and tries to atone by everything he has in his power, you forgive him, you realize he knew you were there when saying those words, you don't forgive him

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(It suddenly posted on itself I'm sorry) Look the words were directed towards Philomel and the emperor for sure wouldn't be scared to say them in her face. Now what I'm saying is WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM KNOWING SHE WAS THERE OR NOT after everything is said and done?!?!? It just feels so uneasy and dumb
I say dumb because it's almost like she has a selective brain and turns it off for certain people. SHE recognizes the fact that not everything in the book may be correct when thinking about Nassar or how Elencia's middle name changed, but then can't proceed to extend the same point to the emperor as well, and for the better half of the novel thinks that he'll SOMEDAY kill him.
I don't know what else to say but if you've read Villains are destined to die (slight spoilers ahead) the MC in that novel also doesn't forgive her family (both from past and present life) and says it in their face (which is why I love her so much) it takes her five years away from the house and BECOMING PREGNANT to want to talk to them again, and she never ever had anything else in mind. She didn't think "meh they're kind enough now I'm gonna stay and have fun here" and then change her mind. THAT is what's bothering me here with Philomel.
I genuinely have nothing more to say. I'm trying to convince myself by thinking Philomel's a flawed character and shouldn't always make the right choice but it's not helping. I can understand all the doings of all the other characters but her thought process is just so...

I guess it's coz context matters? It's one thing to say something nasty in the heat of the moment but it's another when you say something coz you really truly meant it. She forgave him at first because she believed he was being ornery and hurtful because of what happened to his wife. Then she realizes later on he meant every word. Everything changes from there. She suddenly learns that the treatment she received all this time was NOT from misguided prejudice of the entire estate. It rested on the fact that her 'father' truly wanted her to suffer. The former could be excused as negligence but the latter was due to pure malice.

I'm not sure I'm explaining it well but I can understand her suddenly backpedaling and changing her mind. At first, MC was ready to forgive him because she gave him the benefit of the doubt that he was hurt and didn't mean what he said. Then she realizes that, nope. He meant every word. He wasn't ignorant of what was happening to her in that estate. People hated her just for being there and he didn't really care.

What I'm more stuck in is the easy acceptance of the real daughter. All this time, nobody was the wiser. MC, in their eyes, was the real daughter and treated her like shit anyway. Then, in comes blondie and they treat like a princess. What the fuck was up with that??? I guess it was easy to be forgiving coz she looked like her mother? But holy moly. MC deserved better (٥↼_↼)

Just my two cents.

I completely agree!!!! she shouldn't have forgiven him from the start!!! but forgiving him first and USING him OH MY GAWD I CAN'T STRESS HOW MUCH THIS PART BOTHERS ME
when he wanted to give her state properties she was literally playing a mind game because she knew that he would give them to her either way so she just said no to not appear greedy (this is actually what she thinks) and when put together along with her other similar acts, it literally makes her look like a hypocrite. At one point Philomel herself says that maybe I AM as villainess as the one in the book and I was like... gurl what
Idk some things she did/does makes her not appear a sincere character, almost like an unreliable narrator and I don't rellay enjoy these type of characters. I stayed becuase of her real dad who's a A LOT more interesting and well-written than all the others in this novel imo

Spoiler!!!




Yes someone else is in her body! if i remember correctly it's the author of the novel but in the end of the manhwa the real Elincia will be back and she is a sweet/kind girl

Thank you so much!!

Thats good, she had such a hard life that she deserves a happy ever after too.(⌒▽⌒)

lol I’m surprised the seme didn’t notice that was way too easy lol. And u know those tentacles got his loosed up heheh