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No, she has been his daughter ever since he layed eyes on her. And even as a father you can see the reflection of your wife in your child. There's nothing impure about that, it's just an observation.
And yes he has been irresponsible as a father, but keep in mind it's not easy for him to accept that the only person that made him feel alive is dead. And the reason he wanted to kill Athy is cause Diana knew she'd die while giving birth to Athy but she chose her child instead of being with him. None of this justifies his cruelty, but it does make us understand his perspective.
Claude lost his most precious existence or even himself, his true self the second Diana died. The pain was so unbearable that he decided to just end it, why? Because of Anger, Rage, Pain and failing to accept that Diana was gone.He felt betrayed. If i had that kind of person, I imagine myself going as insane as Cloude or even more.
But as he begun to get to know Athy, he found something as precious as Diana or even more. He would see glimpses of Diana in Athy, but he couldn't hate his daughter. This is when he started accepting reality. The curse pulled a whole Uno reverse card on him.
Again,I'm not saying all of this justifies his irresponsibility and negligence but i understand why he did what he did

It's not like I don't understand what you are saying.
but seeing reflection of your lover in your child is totally fine but what Claude sees is not just Diana's reflection (nothing impure here). He literally looks for Diana everytime he sees Athy.
I think if Athy did not resemble Diana he would have killed her without even flinching.

The moment Diana became pregnant, Athy became his responsibility too. Just because your lover died, you cannot ignore your child. He could have kept Athy close to him but he did not see her till she accidentally bumped into him.

It was Diana's decision to keep the baby. then why blame Athy when she could not even control the situation.

What Claude did is never justified. Athy is a saint because even after knowing all these, she risked her life to save him from the curse.

he is an irresponsible father and coward who runs away from reality just cause he cannot handle pain, which cause other people to suffer even more.

I guess this is where humanity and forgiveness comes in. Just as you said Athy is a saint, but she chose to forgive him. Cause she saw his pain, and she understood. Athy forgave him and started to love him as her father along the way.
Claude is a broken human being, from the start he experienced negligence and sense of worthlessness. Diana gave him that, she completed him. If she had been with him a little more,maybe she would have taught him how to face himself and his insecurities. But he was too weak when Diana left. He wasn't strong enough to face it all. To survive he chose destruction.

But Athy healed him in a way, and this was only possible cause Athy gave him a "second chance" by forgiving him, loving him just the way he was, showing him kindness.
And i don't think Claude didn't love Athy before he gave in to fear of loosing Diana.
Good thing is maybe Diana and him finally talked things through while he was asleep. And he has changed a lot.

I guess Claude taught me that everyone can change if you give them a second chance and manage to show them forgiveness, goodwill, positivity and importance.

Well Claude is indeed an irresponsible parent but he did learn a lot in how to take care of his child, so he already got plenty of character development

So I did some research....
I disagree if Athy didn’t look like Diana Claude wouldn’t have killed her. Athys reason of dying in her first life was because she was to obsessed with gaining her father attention seeing how Jennette look all of it, she tried to poison her which then she had to be executed. This was the reason to why he killed her in the first place (must’ve been hard to him)
I can see why you kinda dislike him because of that and it’s hard to see the good thing when you’ve only seen the bad side of people maybe he was having extreme thoughts but if you think carefully about it a father whos neglected his child and doesn’t want to see her face gave her to Nanays that spoil her with chocolate, read her bed time story’s, their hard working and take care of the palace well, they treat her well with respect and kindness. No where in her childhood there were people bullying or being rude to her. Think about it for a minute

I would agree abit when you said that he ignored her, but my opinion of ignoring is not caring about her at all leaving her behind in the slums or something. Instead he lived alone and placed her in the hands on the other maids inside another palace or mansion to be taken care of, the place and scenery look nice and well kept. Meeting her physically he did not want to see her but it’s impossible to disagree that hes thought about her. Since Diana has always been inside his mind I bet that there was plenty of some times in which he thought of Athy.

Hope that my reply changed some of your thoughts about Claude (●'◡'●)ﾉ

i like your opinion and all but just for clarification athy never tried to poison jeanette, she was just accused of doing it.

I don’t think you understand how grief works

grief?? what grief?? he literally used black magic to forget about Diana and also locked up his emotions. He ignored his only daughter in the sake of grief ????
He did not go through the pain that can be called grief.

I see, this makes sense.
But still I am still not satisfied about his character development. It was Athy doing all the work. mostly everything was one sided from the very beginning. Claude is selfish, only thinks of his happiness.

We can agree to disagree ig.
I also saw a comment somewhere saying, in the previous life Claude was specially cold to Athy because his curse/black magic was completed. So whenever he saw Athy, he felt nothing but disgust, that's why he never considered her as his child.

but in this life, Athy met Claude before the curse/black magic was completed. That's why he still has some emotions left and maybe adores(?) Athy.

Also the ignoring part. Only giving birth to a child does not make someone mother, also providing money/nannays does not make someone a father in my opinion atleast. To be a father/mother you have to be present in that child's life and be responsible.

He used black magic because it was too unbearable for him to live in a word without Diana in it. He locked up emotions because he’s traumatized from all his losses. Are u even reading??

yes sister I am reading.
he just thought about himself but what about Athy?? how she suffered without any parents, getting killed, ignored by her own dad. those means nothing to him? only thinking about himself.

In the first few chapters, he finds her amusing (because of her name) that's why he kept her. He doesn't really care and hates her because she is the reason why Diana is dead but eventually he felt confused because he is suppose to hate her because whenever he sees Athy, he is reminded of her dead wife then comes hatred but on the other hand he learned to care for her then the tormenting cycle continues.

It's true that Claude was a pretty sht dad at first but he changed. Also I guess it's easier for me to not hate on him because technically the book had not happened yet right? Atty already changed the what was suppose to happen in the book she read on her previous life.

Look i understand that you don't get why he would not be responsible for his child and acted "selfishly". But when you experience something so traumatic, it's not easy. I'm glad he didn't kill himself. Cause grief works like that, you stop caring and being conscious of yourself and the world. You can only see pain and despair. Athy was neglected but she never experienced hell like Claude, to lose the only person that made you feel human alive is a big deal no matter where you stand. And i feel like you are not realizing the magnitude of Cloude's despair and pain. Pain is one of those things in life that will make you bend your knees backwards if that'll will lessen the grief and suffocating you're feeling.

I'm not saying Athy didn't experience pain, but Athy became the reason why Cloude wanted to live again. He was a horrible father, cause he neglected her. But the him in this life and the him in Athy's last life are 2 different people, cause they both had different experiences at some point. Stop blaming the current Cloude for something the old one did. Yes he was a horrible dad, but he changed and proved that he was a good father. If Athy was the main reason why he changed that doesn't mean Athy did all the work. You see, people change when they accept their reality and their selves, Athy was a huge factor but Claude matured on his own. He put the effort in. As for how he behaved when he was under the curse, that was the curse not even his true self.

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I cant deny that Claude was a shitty father, but he very much loves athy to pieces atm. It’s not unreasonable that Claude sees his wife in athy because that’s literally her child many parents think like that, but Claude knows that athy is not Diana.

RIGHT LIKE SERIOUSLY and the prince and her literally have no chemistry lmao. Like it looked and feels so forced

Exactly. It was more like one night stand and that’s it