OH NOW I DEFINITELY DON'T TRUST THE REDHEAD.....ALSO AAAAA DOHYUN BABY LET ME GIVE YOU A HUG THAT WAS SO BRAVE....now can the browny get his shit together and confess back smh
jesus i was crying so much during in the middle like dude how could you do that to the poor kitty...i really loved the story altho i didn't think that was how it was gonna end but oh well...definitely not the usual shotacon, this was so emotional don't be driven away by the tags
*sniffs* i want a nowa...
the lord: oh i will curse you with these horrid marks that will stain your body forever and make you unlovable
everyone here: damn hot tattooed daddy
i'd say kids suck but it's not like adults are any better when it comes to racism...kids do learn from someone
sigh, this is going to be a long comment
i had to stop reading this at some point because it was literally giving me a headache, but now i've finally finished it so i wanna write my little amateur review, which is completely biased because i was always team taku.
this webtoon is so toxic that it's theme song should be toxic by britney, and while i don't necessarily hate the ending (there's some good things, i'll get to it later) i had to skip all the lovey-dovey sex scenes at the end because they were so unsatisfying to me and i realized that i just don't care about the two of them?
the artstyle is beautiful, the story is told beautifully (like, the way it began and ended the same way, with haesoo's interview - that was brilliant and i love stories which kinda end and begin the same but in the end nothing remained the same and the characters went through a major change), it's just that the story sucks unless you really enjoy toxic relationships. and that's all haesoo and joowon's relationship was and is...it began by literally breaking their parents' marriage, but i guess we all gon' forget about that? they both suffered so much, and broke so many people on their way to just end up together again? maybe just maybe more mature and honest with themselves but i doubt that...one sex scene doesn't mean it's all good now. they'll have to hide forever and be tense all the time because everybody knows they have been brothers at some point, and don't tell me that the public wouldn't freak out if it found out, and that their careers wouldn't suffer.
they'll be stuck in that little circle of theirs where they'll continue to "love" and hurt each other, and honestly, i think they both need therapy.
now taku...poor guy, he really didn't deserve all that and i feel like in this whole webtoon he was only a tool used for haesoo and joowon to realize what the fuck they actually want.
BUT i think something good came out of that whole experience with the toxic brothers anyway. he went through probably his first real heartbreak which helped him realize where he belonged, and maybe he finally let himself be honest with himself (when that friend told him she never saw him like that, that was probably the first time he seemed the most human in his life). he also became more famous and moved on, like a normal, healthy person.
so maybe both sides got something out of that whole experience, but while the bros got together, i think they won't last long and the real winner here is taku lol
That’s kinda funny, did you read the extra chapter 106.5, the author say that heasoo and taku would never stay together, maybe in a few month, the love taku has for heasoo was so weird, he fall in love because of his feeling for joowon
« The bros, won’t last long » hum hum the author say that maybe they will break up one day, but they will always come back together and more stronger than before
Like you said at the beginning of your comment you seems VERY biased
« They both need therapy » hum they get it in a way, they waiting each other for 3 years, take time for them and enjoy their personal life, they are now free and happy, so no they absolutely don’t need therapy
Taku need that, he was selfish and he always get what he want, the break up was the only good thing for him, you say that he didn’t deserve that but he is the one who put himself in the situation
And pls be respectful they are not brother, is that so hard to understand a simply thing
You talk like joowon dad and heasoo mum was some angel ? Lmao they deserve that too, they were egoist and selfish toward their child even before being married
Fact
lol i did say that i'm aware that my view is very biased and i never asked for anyone to agree or disagree with me because i knew nobody would, this is just my personal view.
it was a weird love between taku and haesoo, but the author also wrote that he truly did fall in love with haesoo at the end...i wanted them to end up together in the beginning when joowon's toxic behaviour was at its peak and it was obvious that haesoo and joowon were both suffering and needed a break...but later i just wanted taku to let go and i was mad that haesoo never explicitly told him that they couldn't be together even though he knew that...it just felt like they were stalling and it was getting annoying...taku might have put himself in that situation but he did fall in love and was still hopeful until the very end (he waited for him at the after party)...and that's what bothers me the most - that taku was being taken advantage of (maybe not from the very beginning but definitely towards the end) while it was never about him, and haesoo was the one who needed to sort out his feelings, in my opinion, ALONE. he could have gone on that trip months ago and never involve taku in his shit.
so i agree with you about taku, that he was selfish and that he needed that break up, but i still can't be 'grateful' to haesoo that he broke his heart lol. he is not the protagonist in this story for me. the whole webtoon failed to make me sympathize for haesoo and joowon and you can't change my mind.
also i know that haesoo and joowon are not blood-related but they were step-brothers at some point and that's why i wrote that i doubt that THE PUBLIC would take it very well. why are they hiding in the first place? one part of it is probably because it's a homosexual relationship but imagine the backlash if they told everyone about their relationship as ex-stepbrothers.
also the parents are not angels of course, but i'm not talking about their relationship with their children...i'm talking about the two of them, and i think that the fact that they did try to get back together after the divorce is enough of a proof that they also had some love between them
Heasoo never take advantage of him, never it’s the opposite, heasoo didn’t want ANY relationship with him, he actually made a promises that if they want to break up, they will
https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_or_hate_yeongha/uu/iur_chapter-75/pg-21/
And that exactly what happened and we can’t blame heasoo for that, they both always Knew it’s was impossible, but yes taku was sad because he still hope,
I think joowon is the protagonist of the story but anyways,
Did u understand why they want to go back together ? It’s was not because they love each other, even the father lying about that, they want to go back together ONLY for separate joowon and heasoo, that’s why heasoo mom didn’t want to go back to him at the end, she understand that it’s was just a selfish decision
It’s was not love between them.
it doesnt even feel like it was love between them. Haesoo had his daddy issues, Jowoon had his mommy issues and they were just trying to fill holes. that whole time i was reading it straight up felt like they were A. confusing strong platonic feelings(?) and romantic ones, or B. trying to stay young because they didn't allow each other to correctly move on.
Between heasoo and joowon ? Not at all
Ofc it’s love between joowon and heasoo, after 106 chapter how can you still think it’s was not love ? They never try to fill holes with each other, like never
exactly...that is why i wrote "love" because it still feels very questioning...i think they are just nostalgic about their youth and that they are just so used to each other that they don't know how to function otherwise...in the beginning they were just too childish and spoiled, especially joowon who would get mad whenever somthing would go his way, and from what i remember he never tried to move on...haesoo kept his relationships at sex and acted like a prick to everyone even to joowon..like, you can say taku is spoiled and selfish but at least he knew to let go in the end and he never behaved like a piece of shit towards anyone. so that's why i think they won't last long or maybe they will but it will just be a toxic relationship and a life of hiding...if nothing i think they will get tired of each other because how can anyone live like that.
but i guess for now the ending was right, it's just that they are not very likeable characters.
Please… like you said in your comment you are VERY very very biased
Think that’s heasoo and joowon don’t love each other even after the time skip, and after everything they have to endure, for being together it’s kinda weird, or maybe you didn’t understand the story because you were to focused with taku ?
you are disappointed because he didn’t end up with taku and it’s ok, but you can’t say that they don’t love each other, or they will be tired of each other when the author say herself that it not toxic anymore, and they learn a lot
They are not nostalgic about their childhood or something else, they just love each other pls, is that so hard to understand do you really think they wait 16 years for being together and being tired in a few years ?
Read chapter 106,5 they author say that’s they will last, it’s not toxic anymore, and even if they broke up one day, they will come back, with a better relationship
You are kinda in the denial rn
i'm not in denial i'm just not changing my mind i understood the story dw, i just think it would have been better if they both moved on on their own. This isn't a soulmate reality pls. They were too stuck in their past to give anyone else a chance...and as i already said, in the end i didn't want taku to end up with haesoo, they all should have gone their separate ways. So that's why taku is my fav because he was the only one who acted mature in the end (the author themselves says that he is the most emotionally stable one). And you can't make me like H and J when i don't. But sure, i have nothing against the ending, i just don't see their relationship as a good and healthy one. But again, that's just my opinion, the author did say that if we have a different interpretation it might be true as well. It seems that many of you didn't read the last chapter but you keep telling me to read it lmao
they were so childish starting from the very beginning. i read all chapters, i even read it twice. this stories plot was really bad and who knows, maybe the translation from the previous language to english had some play into that, but what they had NEVER felt like love, even in the end.
i agree!! there were so many times where i was like “the fuck?” and had to stop reading. i also think that Taku being the foil into for Haesoo completely made them even fucking worse. This story had a lot of potential but it just got stuck and ended up going backwards. ( like those rollercoasters where you think it’s the end but you start going backwards)
Really ? I think you missed the point of the story, joowon and heasoo are really in love …
That’s the point they were to afraid to be honest and love each other, the author say that they are in love.. so
What is love even? I love how people like to label what's love and what isn't.
Haesoo and Joowon genuinely fell for each other under the worst circumstances. The family situation impacted and twisted their relationship through their adulthood. Haesoo's mum reminded them even after years how they should let go and kept gilt tripping them.
The whole story was about how despite of many obstacles, problems and adversities they kept loving each other. They tried with other people, they stayed away from each other but still kept loving the other person.
They were risking their relationship with their parents, their careers and still chose each other and people still blame it on past issues.
The story showed how they changed and matured. How they developed and grew to be better people. How they stopped being ashamed and afraid of being together. Haesoo took whole 3 years to focus on himself to breathe, to reflect on himself. And he chose Joowon in the end.
Taku being mature? He wished unhappiness for Haesoo, the person he supposedly loved. He kept pushing Haesoo into relationship although he just broke the relationship with Joowon and was in fragile state, although Haesoo rejected him.
K matured and apologized but claiming that Taku was the most mature among them is just questionable.
I never ever will understand how people portray Taku as if he was forced into the situation by Haesoo or Joowon when he put himself into the whole messy affair. He knew about their strange relationship from the very start (from the novels) and he was intrigued, be wanted to get closer to the whole situation. He was fascinated.
In the end he was the one who was pushing for relationship when Haesoo said openly he will get hurt and that he is not ready for relationship.
I love taku too, poor guy been through hell because of those hateful brothers, i just fast scroll last 10 chapters, couldn't stomach they're happy sex, UGH i feel so horrible
Let's start from the start. Their parents weren't wonderful parents. Joowon's father neglected him awfully and Haesoo's mum tried to do her best as a single parent but meanwhile put a lot of pressure and burden on her son.
Of course what Haesoo and Joowon did was awful against them but let's not pretend their parents handle the whole situation perfectly. Instead of thinking calmly about the solution, discussion... We got screams, slaps and guilt tripping for the next decade... Or Joowon father pretending he doesn't know anything for his own comfort. Were they such a happy marriage? We could have caught a glimpse of Haesoo's mum thoughts about Joowon's father in Ch 85. Instead of helping his spouse to deal with the complicated situation he chose ignorance. He didn't help her, he didn't take the weight out off her shoulders.
Let's remember that in the situation Joowon and Haesoo were still kids in high school while their parents were the adults there.
Idk why y'all keep emphasizing how their relationship not only was toxic but still IS. The present time is the most questionable to me. When the 3rd season was focused on their growth, how they matured slowly, how they stopped being ashamed and that they aren't the same people they used to be. As author said there is the chance they will break up one day but right now they are trying their best and putting a lot of effort into their relationship. Which this time is classified as one. They didn't rush into anything, they gave each other whole 3 years on their own to reflect on the things. In many popular BL stories we have rapist changing over night into perfect boyfriend material and his pure as Saint marry victim acting as if nothing happened and everyone is content but when we get more complicated characters who actually put effort into change, the character development isn't rushed, they thought about their relationship and they try their best together... Then their relationship is classified as toxic and their feelings as some unresolved issues from the past. It's a real riddle to me.
yes it is nice that the author added those three years because that is rare, and i agree that the character development was better than in most BLs but...you all talk about those three years like during that time they went from one universe to another. i have been saying from the start that haesoo needs a break from all of them, but he does it at the very end when everything is pretty much resolved. for him, those three years might have been productive, he travelled, did other things...but for me haesoo seemed to have realized his feelings way before (which i doubt would've happened if it wasn't for someone like taku - a relationship which didn't end up like all his previous ones) and he confirmed them at the night of the accident. so why take three years? maybe it was to further confirm his feelings but to me it is more likely because he was tired of everything. and then he goes back and continues the same as before lol...
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joowon on the other hand, went on a hiatus and i doubt that he focused on anything other than waiting for haesoo...he is still as possessive and obsessive as he was...he even says that he wouldn't let haesoo go if he knew it was going to be three years, he lied about that shoot, haesoo actually says that joowon hasn't changed (all in ch.100). so let's remind ourselves how he treated haesoo as a possession in the past, and how he realized his feeling only after haesoo was taken away from him. childish imo, and if he hasn't changed for the better now, that's already a red flag.
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so while i think that it's great that the author added those three years, from that glimpse of their present relationship i don't see much change. they still have a long way to go, which the author has indicated by saying that they might break up etc. but breaking up and coming back together ever so often...it sounds like a tiring relationship. plus, they will need to hide, and they can never be 'classified' as a couple outside those 4 walls. but if that's what they want, good for them. it's just that from what i've seen in these 106 chapters (some good memories as children-which is why i say they live in the past, bickering, pointless sex, hurting A LOT) i don't think it's worth it. they fight so much for something they have never even experienced (i admit that it is because of their parents, careers etc.) so how can they, and we, be so sure that their relationship will be any good.
i think it would've been less mature to lie and say that he wishes him happiness...and i don't blame him for saying that, he just got dumped, and had his first heartbreak ever. i don't think anybody could just smile seconds after that. it's haesoo's answer (that he wishes him happiness) that hurts more, because it sounds more like a goodbye and shows how little he cares about him.
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to me taku was mature in the way he moved on. he realized that he got hurt while playing with something he shouldn't have (that scene with the candy bowl falling and breaking kinda depicted that). he went into that relationship out of curiosity, experienced some things which he hadn't until then, and when he saw everything was pointless, he gave up and moved on.
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that whole deal was weird, i admit, but it's not like haesoo couldn't explicitly say no. but in the end, it helped him realize his feelings and taku got some experience, so it might've been worth it after all. i'm not saying taku's an angel but out of the three of them, his character development is best imo, even though less attention was given to him than to the other two
Well i completely agree with you and i love when an extreme character get changed and develop to a better one, definitely taku is manipulative but really who isn't in this manga really every one of them are, and after all this still generally i just don't feel comfortable and just to remind you i couldn't bear to read the brothers last chapter and their development so no saying in that from me, i just personally didn't clicked with those two
I read it and agree with it but every one was more or less, excessively was manipulative in this story so I'm not excluding taku for this behaviour and i like his character growth more then the others
Taku was definitely the most mature!!! he was honest about his feelings and that is one of the most mature things someone can do. im an aro guy. i’ve been in 2 relationships my whole life and i loved both of my partners a lot, in one of my relationships the girl i was with went back to her ex (i was the rebound lolol) and i really did hope that she wasn’t happy, so that of course she’d realize she was happier with me. I think the fact Taku was able to even admit that it’s extremely mature of him.
i totally agree 100% i think Taku was a character that was just added in to be a foil for Haesoo or Jowoon (not completely sure which one yet) and he definitely had anticipated that Haesoo wouldn’t choose him, but that was also before he realized he loved him :p
i think people are forgetting that stories will be taken into many different perspectives based on the reader. you all can continue to state your opinions and repeat what the author said but it won’t change the fact that everyone looks at things in different perspectives :p
what do you mean you like how people like to label what’s love and what isn’t? nobody is going to have one set perspective on things, especially on something such as the wiiide spectrum like love. i don’t see their relationship as toxic towards the end, i see it as two people who need to give themselves a REAL chance to move on. you bring up how they spent the 3 years apart but they were solely focused on each other, not even giving themselves a chance to try something new.
Why trying something else, when they both love each other, their relationship is healthy, and heasoo tried with T and it didn’t work, that’s doesn’t make sense to try something else at this point
i completely agree and with this i'm muting this thread because i've already wasted enough time on this anyway BTS Butter comes out on May 21 so yall tune in for the premiere at 1pm kst
Yes perspectives can be different but in the end interpretation should be based on the evidences, you have to find a way to support it. Otherwise it just looks farfetched.
Hmm you said their feelings didn't look like love and I'm just asking who are we to decide if it's love or it isn't. Imo it was a good and rathe realistic portrayal of a love which survived different adversities.
But they literally tried for many years with different partners, there was time between their parents' separation and when they've met each other again, Haesoo was with Taku in exclusive relationship... but he still kept loving Joowon. Even when he was on his own for three years he kept loving Joowon so what's the point of another fruitless relationship? When he thought Joowon was about to die/be hurt in the accident he thought as if his world was breaking. One of the points of the story is that although their relationship faces many obstacles, although many years passed and they've experienced many different situations, met different people, they've still kept loving each other.
At first Taki saw Haesoo as a candy, something intriguing. He wasn't honest with him at the begining at all. He didn't tell him about coming back to Japan etc. Yes he was clear about his feelings and it's brave of him but still although Haesoo emphasized he is not ready, Taku kept pushing and asking for the answer....which isn't so mature on the other hand. Although it was clear to Taku that Haesoo is trying but can't put his whole heart into their relationship, he didn't come up with the break up. Only when Haesoo himself appeared in front of him to break things off, he did it. Meanwhile guilt tripping Haesoo a little bit.
Taku is definitely an interesting character but he is just as flawed as the others. He definitely matured in the end, he apologized Haesoo and moved on which is great for his character. The relationship with Haesoo helped him value his partner and think more about him and not only about his own "selfish" feelings.
Tbh I don't feel that Joowon was per se extreme. He is definitely a flawed guy, who was a times too immature, jealous etc but both he and Haesoo kept hurting each other. And both of them crazily loved, cared about each other. The real contradiction.
And in comparison to many,famous BL MLs he looks like a pretty normal, although flawed guy.
wait taku fell in love with heasoo because of his feelings for joowon? i did a quick read of this so don’t hate me
It’s more complicated than that but yes
bruh i hate these situations...it should be first come first served, idc how much 'in love' you have become, if your kids are already a couple respect their relationship...i mean the parents here didn't know but man did that piss me off in love or hate...there's like 7+ billion ppl in the world it doesn't have to be your damn step brother TAT
man i've already said it but yuma's eyes i need more pretty guys in this artstyle...or just guys with big and bright pretty eyes, and eyelashes and thick eyebrows and lighter hair and...idk why i like his look so much
OH Same thought!
Yezzzz HIS EYES!
we all feel bad for the father but isn't sujin's mother like, homophobic? i feel like this might be a good thing lol
She's homophobic? Her twins are both gay. If she keeps being like that, she best stay away.
idk but this didn't seem like she approves of it
https://iweb13.mangapicgallery.com/r/newpiclink/love_leveling/7923/7923_12573879.jpg
anyway sujin doesn't seem to like her all that much so ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Okay, thanks, especially for linking it!